My Republican friend thinks Foley is a Tempest in a Teapot.

[leftyladyfrommo]

I will never understand that thinking. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will get thru to anyone in that family. They are Republican. I don't think anything or anybody would make them change their votes.

Foldy is no different than Bill Clinton. And Bill Clinton was just the worst of the worst of the worst. Hastert and his committee kept in quiet for the very same reasons that Clinton kept his affair quiet.

And the rest of the stuff - Ney, and Abramoff, and Condi's lies and Bush's lies (no one ever gives Bush a chance - they condemn him before he every has a chance to speak) that will never make any different at all. They simply ignore it all. Doesn't count. Or is just politics as usual.

I just have to keep my mouth shut.

[tuvor]

1. Does your friend have a kid he wants to enrol in the page program?

I'll bet not.

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. I know. How would you feel if your 16 year old boy was getting

sexually explicit, unsolicited e-mails from an old man? I would be out for blood.

But its just that don't want to hear anything that is not in their Republican data bank. Its not President in denial - its like a whole party of conservatives in total denial.

[izzie]

26. I bet yes, anything to get ahead.

--

[NNN0LHI]

2. I would NOT leave my kids alone with your Republican "friend"

Not even for short periods of time.

Don

[gratuitous]

3. Foley's nothing, but Clinton was the worst of the worst

And Foley's no different than Clinton. By the commutative principle, that makes Foley the worst of the worst too, doesn't it? Or is that cancelled by the IOKIYAR Axiom: It's Okay If You're A Republican.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. I think its more that its OK if you are a conservative!

Look at how many of these people just love Rush. Married 4 times. Drug addict. Totally obnoxious and insulting.

I just don't get it.

[KurtNYC]

50. They stand for nothing - no consistency = no integrity

They are self-labeled Republicans for emotional reasons. Namely, they just enjoy pissing off liberals. They love Rush because he pisses off liberals. Doesnt matter if what he says is all lies, viagra, Oxy, etc. ...as long as he feeds into their emotional need. Same for Global Warming etc. The facts are secondary to pissing off liberals.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Clinton may still be a serial adulterer, but in today's society

that is not a crime. He's not a husband many women would choose but Hillary probably knew of his wandering eye quite early in the marriage.

We have no right to judge them as a couple or relate it to their leadership in politics. As long as they do not take advantage of the underage or AGAIN, although adult, it's uncool to seduce an intern. Uncool, perhaps immoral, but NOT criminal in any stretch of the imagination.

So no, Foley, if the accounts are accurate (I believe by the volume and content, they are), is a criminal - a serial Sexual Predator; whereas Clinton is NOT a criminal, but perhaps a serial Adulterer.

Adultery is a true "crisis point" for most marriages if one's spouse finds out, but it is not A CRIME. :blush:

Clinton and Foley's behaviors are not comparable. As a woman, I'm kind of disgusted that Bill couldn't keep his pants up, but, IMO, he is NOT a pervert. :shrug: However, Foley, having repeatedly sent sexually explicit IMs to underage male Pages. Well, in my book that's a first class pervert whom you'd want the police to track to insure that he's kept away from Minors. :scared:

[ShortnFiery]

5. I have not counseled what's termed Perpetrators, but have

known people who have worked with them. It is very difficult because they rarely, if ever, admit guilt. They think that what they do (seduce underage or children) is perfectly fine.

Some people burn out within the first month of this work because OUR (your average person) moral compass is NOT calibrated to *filth* as "The Norm."

While there are increasing numbers of Psychologists to work with Victims of Sexual Abuse, it's difficult to find people with, IMO, the patience of a saint, who must tolerate the morally bankrupt beliefs of Sexual Predators. :puke:

Nope, this is the tip of the ice berg because "this kink" is both an obsession and compulsion that, by most accounts, can NOT be cured. :(

More evidence is on it's way to public view. :wow:

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Reminds me of a quote I heard on the radio by George Lakoff.

He said that it is a mistake to assume that two groups of people with the same facts will come to the same conclusions.

This is the perfect example of that. The cognitive dissonance that many of the Repuke believers feel after this disclosure simply will not allow them to accept the reality of the situation. They would rather believe the most absurd, ridiculous things than accept the actual truth if that truth make them uncomfortable.

The new Repuke meme will be that Foley=Clinton and these lemmings will all grab it and run with it.

[leftyladyfrommo]

12. That is kind of true of a lot of Southern Baptists, too.

Some of them believe the most ridiculous things - and call believing in stupid things Faith.

There are people here who actually believe that earth is flat - and believing that proves that they have strong Faith.

Can this get any wierder?

[lapislzi]

7. Foley is VERY different than Bill Clinton

Monica Lewinsky was an adult. Preying on underage children is a crime, an abuse of power, and utterly reprehensible in a work situation. Covering it up is every bit as bad, and worse. And don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of it all. Family values my ass.

Turnabout is fair play.

Tell that to your Republican "friends."

[KurtNYC]

51. Lewinsky was a groupie who intitiated her infamous act

while Clinton was on the phone. While it is not most savory act a President can condone, it wasn't "predatory" on Clinton's part.

[flyarm]

9. the boy in the emails released was 15 not 16 when foley was emailing him!

he was 15!!

he was a child ...

he is 16 now!! almost 1 year later!

fly

[flyarm]

10. oh and MONICA was 24 yrs old..9 year difference..and she had just

finished an affair with a teacher..

she was an adult..this boy was a 15 year old child

fly

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. 15 is even worse - but 16 is bad enough.

A sixteen year old boy doesn't have a clue about anything. Especially sex stuff.

[StrictlyRockers]

19. Yeah they do. That's why they all said things like, "Ok, gotta go now...

and do my HW " as soon as Foley started to really perv out on them.

And that's why the whistleblower had enough sense to call it "sick, sick, sick" like he did. Because it was...and he knew.

SR

[flyarm]

48. and the one boy said his mom was calling him!!

i always told my son..use me..use me for any and every excuse you need to... for anything!!

say i am a bitch.."you don't know my mom".."she is a witch"..i would tell him that all the time ..when his internal radar went off about anything..use me..as your excuse to protect yourself!!

i said get "dramatic" about how strict or awful his mom could be!!

it worked!!

he wrote me a letter 3 xmas's ago..as a 26yr old..and said he used the tactic numerous times while growing up!!

to get out of stuff he knew could be bad..or he was uncomfortable with..


but this child was trying to shut down Foley by saying his mom was calling..and then that fucker Foley said..i hope your mom didn't read this..or somthing to that effect...

what a sick fuck!

fly

[dkofos]

11. Well torture is now available to change their minds

[leftyladyfrommo]

15. I'm afraid the torture would be for us, not them.

This whole Bush adm. has completely befuddled me.

Its like all the really slimy, awful,violent, greedy, crooked people in this country finally found a leader and they think he is just wonderful.

[survivor999]

14. But Monica was not underage...

Last time I checked

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. How many men in Congress have women on the side?

Probably most of them. (Not that that is an excuse.) But for all of those assholes to turn on Clinton was the height of hypocrisy.

How many of those men are pedophiles? Probably not very many. But I certainly would expect that some would be.

Political power and loose morals tend to run together.

[Teaser]

17. Hit your friend with a pipe

nt

[lonestarnot]

21. bbbbwwwwwwa!

:rofl: agree! and then hit herself for being her friend and posting this crap.

[leftyladyfrommo]

22. The only pipe I have is a pot pipe.

And she knows nothing about it.

[lonestarnot]

27. So you're not "really" friends then?

[leftyladyfrommo]

31. Best friends for over 20 years.

It is very odd. We agree on absolutely nothing. But if I needed help they would be there in a flash. And I would be there for them, too.

But you can care about someone and not agree on anything.

[lonestarnot]

33. Yeah sure right. Those kind of friends I can do without.

And you've admitted to a crime, possession of paraphenelia.

[leftyladyfrommo]

35. You obsiously do not a clue what it is like to live in the Bible

Belt. If I hated everyone who disagreed with me I would have no friends at all. The people here are almost all extremely conservative.

And I don't care who knows about my pipe. Its really pretty and I like it a lot. And I bought it about 30 years ago - way back when head shops were the place to be.

[lonestarnot]

37. I'd either fucking move or have lots of enemies. Yuck! Montana

is such a pretty place. Too bad all those repukes fuck up the air.

[hfojvt]

43. But Montana is about to get a new Democratic Senator

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2859165&mesg_id=2859165

[lonestarnot]

44. Good. Maybe there is hope for the scenery!

[lonestarnot]

28. I think you're full of crap.

[Brewman_Jax]

18. Since they love him so much

I wonder if they'd sacrifice themselves or their kids to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? I have yet to meet any repug freeper that would do so.

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. Interesting question. There are lots of boys in the family that

are the right age. However, none of them have signed up. And one of the boys is absolutely radical rightwing.

[blue cat]

23. Why keep your mouth shut?

they don't.

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. No - they really don't talk about it if I'm around.

It's not like they attack my views. They are not rude to me.

It does make conversation kind of difficult - like there is this huge elephant in the room.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. "No different from Clinton? Fine."

"You wouldn't vote for Clinton's party, right? So it would serve your party right if you stayed home this time. It'll send a message."

[moc]

30. D'Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

The cognitive dissonance for these folks must be excruciating. I'm sure their heads are about to explode.

:nuke:

[leftyladyfrommo]

32. No. Remember this is the Bible Belt.

People learn this stuff from the time they are born. It doesn't seem strange to them at all.

Its me that its hard on.

[leftyladyfrommo]

34. Yea - its just a form of denial.

But they all hated Clinton way before Monica. He was so smart and fast on his feet and charming to boot. That was a just an excuse to really come out against him.

[neilepi]

36. The latest Republican cocktail?

A double-standard, straight up.

[kentuck]

38. And Hurricane Katrina was a "tempest" in the ocean...

:)

[Bitwit1234]

39. Familar

Darn that family sounds like my three sisters. They started out sensible and got lost when their husbands started making a looooooooooooooot of money. Then one day they were republicans and they love rush. I think they were adopted.

[jazzjunkysue]

40. It's gonna involve lots of criminal trials. The disclosure law was broken.

The teapot will have to be quite large, methinks.

[Dawgs]

41. Doesn't matter-we know 30-35% are lost.

It's the 20% of independants and moderates we need to be worried about.

[bridgit]

42. they're starting to impugn the page himself, as perhaps having initiated

the exchanges himself first, it is all so 'republican' x(

[leftyladyfrommo]

52. Rove has taught them well. What assholes. n/t

[bridgit]

54. oddly enough, this shit no longer turns my stomach, it's pissing me off...

x( to hell with the entire lot of republicans, it is time to take this country back :patriot:

[Zomby Woof]

45. Tell the idiots

That if Foley is no different than Clinton, then ante up and nail Foley to the wall the same way you did with Clinton. Put him on trial! Smear him in the press! Use terms like "rapist" and "adulterer" to describe him! Then to cap it off, blame him for everything that goes wrong in the world for the next 10 years or more.

The problem with Republicans isn't just the hypocrisy - it's their cowardice.

[havocmom]

46. Foley is out of work. Does your friend need to hire a nanny?

:evilgrin:

That's the question to ask of the enablers who don't grasp the problem with Foley and the GOP House leadership that let him stay on committee charged with protecting kids.

[LeftCoast]

47. So he says it's just like Clinton, except he got upset at Clinton, right?

Hmm, more IOKIYAR hypocrisy

[treestar]

49. Does he not see the difference is that he criticized Clinton for it

(no doubt) and now it's just that Foley is no worse. Well then, Clinton is no worse than Foley.

Their one-sidedness comes out in that they never did care about what Clinton did or did not do. They just wanted to use it politically. Now if it can be used against one of them, it suddenly doesn't matter. That they are after power for its own sake becomes clear. They have no principles, period.

[warrens]

53. There's a difference between 21 and 16

Not to mention an older man trying to seduce a young, presumably heterosexual boy. As we know, Monica did the seducing, not Bill.