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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:30 PM
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one more time - "They Thought They were Free"

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933,between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.


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- we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice - "Resist the beginnings" and "consider the end." But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have changed here before they went as far as they did; they didn't, but they might have. And everyone counts on that might.

<snip>

Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing: and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something - but then it was too late."

<snip>

The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:33 PM
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1. kick
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:34 PM
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2. Recommended-this cannot be said enough these days...
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

And tell everyone you know....


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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:38 PM
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3. Read Chapter 11-13
you'd swear it was written about Smirk and today's GOP.

That's why I think our country will suffer similar fate. We are ompletely helpless against fixed elections, state-controlled media, and deep-sated love of fascism among right wingers rich and poor.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:40 PM
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4. Scary as hell isn't it? Makes me really nauseous.
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 01:40 PM by BrklynLiberal
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:42 PM
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5. K&R
I've been spreading this amongst everyone I can these past few days.

Thank you.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:51 PM
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6. This part:
Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.


So true. I think that is what many of us do. Wait for the sheeple to finally get it. Maybe they won't.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:54 PM
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7. I was planning on posting this... thank you.
We can't hear or read this enough.

K+R
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:55 PM
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8. I've been spreading this around the past few days, too. These paragraphs
are quite powerful as well:

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes.
That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in "43" had come immediately after the "German Firm" stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in "33". But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.


Back in Dec, 2005, a dairy on Daily Kos included a long excerpt from Mayer's Book. I thought that the title, "Slouching Toward Kristallnacht" was particularly apt.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/20/12819/467

(I'd been slightly familiar with the book before, but when I read the excerpt on Kos back in December, I literally had chills running down my spine. The events of the intervening 9 months sure as hell don't make me feel any better about the situation. :scared: :scared: :scared: )
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:25 PM
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9. Your excerpts are also chilling.
It was tempting to post the entire thing.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:39 PM
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10. Thanks for posting this for all to read
we are one of the least free countries on this planet. Most just don't know it yet.

Cameras everywhere watching your every move. Electronic surveillance of your web searches and emails. Phone and electronic surveillance without the need for warrants. People can now be "disappeared" legally. Torture of prisoners is legally acceptable. One's credit report determines whether one can get a job or a place to live. Minimum wage has not been increased in a hundred or so years. Health care or food is a choice for millions. More people per capita locked up in jails and prisons than any other country in the world. The price of gas is manipulated. The media is owned by the government/corporate/military "complex".
The plan is for social security funds to be raped after the "elections" this year. The inflation index doesn't include anymore energy or food costs - the costs that most influence people's lives.

Oh, and dead soldiers and civilians seem to be everywhere this government ventures.


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:43 PM
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11. It is more than merely terrifying. It is numbingly horrific.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:24 PM
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12. A kick to the top.
"R"
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:34 PM
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13. Few, if any, decent men are Nazi-like today because men of today
know Nazi history and some use much of their playbook, not because they don't know better, but because they like it: my God, men, have you no decency?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:10 PM
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14. My SO just finished this.
He said it was transformative book. I haven't read it, because I've read enough about the parallels between the US and fascist Germany through other writings to make me sick for life. But for my honey... he grew up in fundie-land worshipping God and Country. It was really an eye-opening experience for him to see his country group-think in such UnAmerican-values ways. He's changed his opinions about the world 100% since we started seeing each other some time back, which gives me hope that other conservatives can be corrupted--er, corrected.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:36 PM
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15. Thanks for bringing this up. My mother made me read it when I was a teen.
It is an eyeopener. I just can't understand how people do not see what is happening here!!! i guess this books explains a little bit of the collective denial. I remember going to see a concentration camp in austria. When I realized that the people selling postcards and working there had all participated (I can say this becuase of their ages, and because auschwitz was such a small town, that there is no possibility that anyone who dissented would have been left alive.) I vomited. And this one thing kept creeping into my head. these look like real people, normal people. That is the most terrifying part.
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