Is The Foley Story A Premeditated STRIKE AGAINST THE REPUBS???

[Beetwasher]

In other words, is it somehow being orchestrated as a DEM strike against the Repubs? Now, I'm not saying he was framed or anything like that, but it seems like someone probably knew about this for a while before it was leaked and had all the text of the IM's and everything ready to go, and waited for the right, strategic moment when it could do the most damage.

Hmmm. Makes you wonder if there's an anti-Rove out there.

[Kittycat]

1. I don't care...

My rep protected the slime ball, and that's just as bad to me. I sent Hastert a letter tonight telling him that I wouldn't trust him around my son, knowing that he would cover-up or act in his own interests. The whole thing sickens me.

[Erika]

5. My sentiments exactly

and I hope anyone who knew about this abuse and didn't notify the authorities are prosecuted.

Hastert especially. He claims to be in control.

[lumpy]

50. I read that Hastert was involved in investigating

this incident about Foley and most likely was instumental in obtaining Foley's resignation. Since it appeared that Foley was known to be overly interested in young male pages, the House Repubs most likely thought it would be wise to get rid of the problem of further scandal exposure.

Difficult and ridiculous for anyone to consider this was a political play by Democrats to get Foley.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. long live Anti-Rove!!

:patriot:

[Fridays Child]

6. All hail the Anti-Rove!

If he exists, I would have his child.

[Frances]

I don't think so

I think the Repubs have known for months and tried to keep it under wraps, but couldn't

[Erika]

11. And if they knew of abuse of a minor and did nothing

They should be prosecuted.

[kestrel91316]

28. Hell, they should be tarred and feathered, then drawn and quartered.

[Fovea]

3. If it is, it is Rove, not Reid.

Think of it as a story, unsmotherable, but big enough to deflect HR 6166 a bit. Or more likely, the Abramoff links.

It would have come out eventually, but Rove is desperate to throw a Congressman or two under the bus.

[Beetwasher]

4. Oh Please, Give Me A Break

This story is their worst nightmare. Rove is shitting in his pants right now or hiding under a table.

[Fovea]

8. Well

1. His new boy McCain will be out of the line of fire from 6166.

2. He was already shittin kittens over the breaking Abramoff/Rove linkage. It was page one above the fold today *In Kansas City*.

[Beetwasher]

14. That's Ridiculous

You're telling me they would throw away a congressional seat to cover up other bad stories and protect McCain???? That's utterly ridiculous. Really. :eyes:

[Fovea]

19. No

I am saying they would time the inevitable release of an unspinnable story to smother something that damages both Karl and McCain.

So you think it's silly. It makes sense to me.

[Beetwasher]

22. You Really Overestimate Rove

He's not Superman. This story is dynamite and frankly, releasing THIS story to cover up ANOTHER bad story would be pretty stupid. And while I don't give Rove TOO much credit, he's also not THAT stupid.

[Fovea]

30. These are not clever moves

these are stop loss strategies, not consumate election strategy. He only had to get things close enough to steal in key races as far back as last December.

And then the horrors started to roll down on them.
By the time August was here, solid races went south, and with Lieberman staring the PUgs in the puss, he had to say he had the mother of all October surprizes, thus negateing the surprize.

Karl is not in an enviable position, but cornered rats bite hardest.

[Beetwasher]

33. But How Is This A Bite??? He's Biting HIMSELF

Good grief, how could anyone think this would in any way work out positive for Rove and his ilk??? Seriously, that's like bizarro-logic. It's like having a fire and putting it out w/ gasoline.

[Fovea]

42. Close,

I think of it of having a fire, and blowing it out with Dynamite, aka Iran. All they have to do, they think is vamp until they invade Iran, and the minesweepers are heading out.

It's ok if you disagree, really.
In light of the 'reality oriented community' comment, it is a very plausible explanation.

[Beetwasher]

43. Huh?

"In light of the 'reality oriented community' comment, it is a very plausible explanation."

:shrug:

What is? Your explanation? Sorry, it's not very plausible at all. They would never throw a congressional seat to the Dems to cover up another, not nearly as explosive story. That's not reality oriented at all, far from it.

[Fovea]

46. That's not reality oriented at all, far from it.

indeed. Google the phrase.

[Beetwasher]

51. Are You Trying To Make No Sense Whatsoever?

You're doing a good job of it. :shrug:

[Pale Blue Dot]

24. Americans care more about, and pay a lot more attention to,

a sex scandal (particularly if it involves underaged boys) then they do about torture and Abramoff.

This is a godsend for Democrats. Maybe that's not the way it should be, but it is.

[dflprincess]

9. So, do you Rove will tell the Boy King that he better issue a

public denuciation of Foley or will they hope the less said the better?

[Fovea]

15. Florida... Land of JEB.

I think with Harris and the Foley matter hanging over them, Florida is going to be left hanging.

I think that they will want it to die down. But since they have Iran up next in the rotation, this will be smothered too.

[Beetwasher]

39. Not Sure

Probably won't have him touch at all.

[JI7]

26. most Americans don't know who Abramoff is

those who do know are partisans who are decided already.

[napi21]

7. I don't think so. I'm sure some Pubs will blame it on Foley's opponent,

but it seems like there were a lot of rumors about this guy's sexual orientation floating around for quite a while, and now some emails have become public, and from a little I heard, a lot worse ones out there too! The emails that were read on the TV shows were very mild, but I heard at least one, read by some persom who was supposed to be reading a blog, that there were some very explicit things idiot Foley wrote to some minors.

I don't think anyone's going to succeed at blaming this one on anyone but Foley!

[Seen the light]

13. Various Freeper responses include

- Saying it's a non-issue.
- Saying that the AIM chat logs are obviously doctored.
- Saying that it's all the kid's fault.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This scandal has brightened my day so much.

[shawcomm]

21. It hasn't brightened my day since there's some poor kids who've been

traumatized by this sick piece of shit. It's not fun to watch the repukes go down when they're taking kids with them. It just makes me sick :puke:

They need to be taken down for the good of the country, so kids don't have to worry that the highest halls of power will protect people molesting them.

[Seen the light]

29. Thanks for making me feel bad

J/K

You are right of course.

[Erika]

23. Foley was a member of the Ways and Means Committee

and it's all the kid's fault that Foley was a pedophile?

Let's see what John Walsh says...if anything. He's tied into the GOP tight. Maybe he will let the abuse of a powerful GOP member go, rather than profiling them on his program.

[Erika]

16. Including his instructions on how to treat a woodie

Foley makes me sick.

[Beetwasher]

17. Oh, Of Course, I'm Not Saying Anyone Else Is To Blame

I'm just talking about the strategy behind this being leaked to the press. It seems somewhat orchestrated to me and that's a GOOD thing.

[lumpy]

49. Read into the article-you might find answers there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_on_go_co/congressman_e_mails

The e-mail info was learned by Rod Alexander(R-La) and passed on to Tom Reynolds(R-NY) in turn passed on to the House page board for investigation. There are other sources if you truly want the scivvy.

Doubtful if this was a Dem plot to get Foley.

[Beetwasher]

52. Except THEY Are Not The One's Who Leaked It To The Media

They are the one's who were trying to cover it up. The media got the story elsewhere.

[LoZoccolo]

10. I would think Foley did it to himself. n/t

[Erika]

12. But he had so many that knew he was abusing minors

You can't let that part go.

[LoZoccolo]

20. True.

I just don't think that anyone timed this getting into the media at a particular point.

[Beetwasher]

18. Yes, He Did, But That's Not What I'm Talking About

I'm talking about the leaking of it, the timing, the compilation of the material.

It's possible it was just great reporting and it's the reporters who deserve all the credit, but it's also possible this was initially sourced to them by someone else who had the goods and in some ways orchestrated the leak and release etc.

[Erika]

25. What does that matter in the crime? n/t

[Beetwasher]

27. It Doesn't

Never said it did.

Just speculating that there may be somone on our side doing a bit of pre-emptive-October-surprising if you will. Or, as I put it, there may be an anti-Rove.

[Erika]

32. Maybe it was just the truth

The GOP hid it for 11 months, maybe it leaked out. I would love to hear from the parents, who said to just let the abuse go.

[Beetwasher]

35. Sure, That's Possible

But the timing is great and someone collected all the IM's and is even now dishing MORE dirt about who knew what when in the Repub leadership.

[The Wielding Truth]

37. Maybe with all the attention NBC has been paying to this subject,

pushed it to the surface and it was out there to be picked up.

[Beetwasher]

38. Possible

It just happened and the reporters are the only one's responsible for doing all the digging, getting the IM's etc. Sure, that's possible, but I just have a feeling there's more to it, that someone gave it to them. The timing is terrific, maybe that's why I feel that way.

[The Wielding Truth]

45. Anytime something like this would come out would be politically

devastating. If it were only political it would have appeared closer to the election say end of October. I think.
If it were political, it's better that it came out before this guy got back in office unless Repubs can muscle another candidate in his spot and rig the election. I'm just glad he has been uncovered and he has resigned. I feel his position really proves that corruption is entrenched in the Republican party. Republicans must feel so disgusted and betrayed by this era of leadership. They are making McCarthyism look mild.

[GOPEC]

31. If you wanted the Foley story to be the story,

would you break it on a Friday? I think you break it on a Friday to take control of the story away from someone else who was going to do it.

[Beetwasher]

36. Sure, Maybe

It will control the news cycle all weekend, on the Sunday shows and go into next week. Especially with all else going on this week. The timing is pretty good actually. I know Friday is traditionally a news dump day to try and bury a story, but not THIS kind of story.

[madmusic]

34. Who cares? If so, it's about time! :)

[Ksec]

40. Only if we did some mind control on Foley and made him do the emails

[Beetwasher]

41. *sigh* Read My Post Again

I'm not saying anyone but him is responsible for the emails. Never said that, as a matter of fact, I've said over and over just the opposite. I'm only talking about the LEAK and the STORY, NOT his actions.

[Ksec]

44. Oops.

It may be, but thats politics. They do it, we do it. Like Ive said before, politics is an ugly business. I couldnt last two weeks in that atmosphere.

[KharmaTrain]

47. Someone Finally Did Their Job

I think it was Americablog that said they had gotten a copy of the emails several months ago, but couldn't verify their authenticity and thus didn't run it. But it appears others out there also got them and someone decided to see if there was some fire beyond the smoke. Looks like we got that answer today.

Was this an inside job? Well...someone in the Repugnican chain had to have let this leak through as problems with Mr. Foley were called to Hastert's attention a year ago. This was gross stupidity by the GOOP leadership (who probably thought they could cover this up) as something this salacious was sure to get out.

Several weeks ago, the RNC funneled millions of dollars into Opposition Research...something they specialize in and how they have won many close races through finding some skeleton or slime in a person's background. Now, maybe there's someone on our side doing the same thing (and if its outting a predator, I say, let's out 'em all) or this was leaked by someone in the GOOP who can benefit from his/her party losing its majority and having to rebuild from the bottom up.

Seems like there's a lot of things leaking out these days that has really sucked the air out of the Repugnican's efforts to "oontrol the message" in this election...its as if someone's trying to out-Rove Rove.

[lumpy]

48. From Yahoo report:

"Rep. Rodney Alexander (news, bio, voting record), R-La., who sponsored the page from his district, told reporters that he learned of the e-mails from a reporter some months ago and passed on the information to Rep. Thomas Reynolds (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., chairman of the House Republican campaign organization.

Alexander said he did not pursue the matter further because "his parents said they didn't want me to do anything."

Carl Forti, a spokesman for the GOP campaign organization, said Reynolds learned from Alexander that the parents did not want to pursue the matter. Forti said, however, that the matter did go before the House Page Board — the three lawmakers and two House officials who oversee the pages"

No this was not a Dem "strike". The Republicans who had knowledge of the e-mails took action.