Maybe Bush made a deal to Resign with Congress help? Plausible Scenario?

[symbolman]

Okay, bear with me on this as we are talking Politics here and in Politics I think anything is possible.

First of all there are SO MANY Scandals coming down, and some very soon (Abramoff squealing - Rove's Secretary and Rove Handing out Quid Pro Quo, from candidate approval to SkyBox seats for $50), someone here posted a list that had more than twenty high profile scandal cases all pointing at BUSH CO, Rove Emails, 450 Abramoff visits to the White House (Which would mean that Abbie Baby spent more time in the White House than BUSH DID), etc.

The SOTUS have handed down two rulings, both of them screwing Bush to the wall potentially for war crimes both here and abroad.

Bush is looking haggard, going nuts, never finished a job in his life, just wants OUT of the White House and the whole gig, he'd done all he is capable of doing, including riding the bike while smoking the cigar like any good Circus Chimp, for Rove and Cheney, etc.

Plus it's not looking good for Cheney either, like they say, if you kicked Bush in the Ass you'd break Cheney's arm. So Rove, Cheney and Bush are screwed, but don't want Rummy to go down the drain, and others who have been doing all the dirty work.

So they MAKE A DEAL with Congress - PASS THIS BILL and Bush will Resign, and be pardoned by both Congress and his successor, Cheney will Step down for Health reasons, Rove hits the private sector - the money train they've set up is still in motion, and will be for years. Halliburton, Bechtel, etc rolling in dough.. PLUS they get to appoint their successor, figuring that the jig may be up, a DEMOCRATIC House and Senate MAY be just around the corner, if DIEBOLD screws up at all. The media is now discovering that they just can't cover for the Idiot anymore, the ratings are better when they trash him, and for those running Bush has LEAD Coat Tails. Stick a fork in him.

So they Appoint, Say, RICE for President, with McCain/Guiliani for Veep.

Now those liberals like Kennedy and Kerry, etc don't HAVE to vote YES to torture as part of the deal, they need to keep respectable and it's as far as they'll go in THE DEAL. Some Dems will Vote YES, their choice, if they think it will further their Campaigns, the Republicans of course all Vote YES to Torture, Stabbing the Magna Carta through the heart, wiping their butts with the constitution, and dismissing the Geneva Conventions.

They look TOUGH for their boneheaded backers, and can get elected that way, the waffly DEMS look tough to the Fence Sitters, or non Partisan.

So Everyone signs onto THE DEAL, Bush won't resign until after the Elections, sling all the mud everyone wants to, etc.

Afterwards he steps down, without any action against him by the Democrats in Charge, and is FREE. The Repigs make out, they don't have that Albatross around their necks, and can take it easy now, the Dems are going to look BAD no matter what they do - when you try to clean up a room full of shit, you'll be covered in it and smell like it.

PLUS the Republicans can say they are a forward thinking PROGRESSIVE crowd as they've appointed the FIRST WOMAN AS PRESIDENT, and a BLACK ONE.

This sets the Stage for Hillary, which the Repigs WANT DESPERATELY TO RUN (but the Dems can run anyone they want), to run against RICE, who has continued the NEOCON agenda as best she can, as a lame duck, deflecting the scandals, Bush goes West, Hides behind his wife's skirt and stays drunk, and those in the KNOW breath a sigh of relief as the HATEFUL, CLUTZY RETARD is finally gone and maybe, just maybe we can get our country back in order. Plus other countries can say, "WHEW, that NUT doesn't have his finger on the button anymore, we can start LIKING Americans again.." Except for more terrorists than have ever existed before in all of history, thanks to Bush, but we work on that...

Nuts? Tin Foil Lined Skull? Dunno, I think Politics is a strange animal and it's all about DEAL MAKING, and the cycle DOES need to begin anew, where the REPIGS RIP Everyone OFF, then the DEMS come in, clean up the mess, make some more money for everyone, so the REPIGS can come in and RIP Everyone OFF..

The Cycle of life, and Politics.. I just have a feeling about this deal, it's TOO SAVAGE for someone, a LOT of people to have not THOUGHT it out, and the scumbags get their way to the end, at least until Karma gets 'em...

Thoughts?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. Before I Read Your Post....

I just want to say this, you're reaching.

Perhaps we've all spent a little too much time on DU.

No, you are still in the Twilight Zone, no question about that. But honestly, don't reach for conclusions that aren't there.

He is going to do EVERYTHING in his power not only to stay in power for another 28 months, but if he could extend it, he probably would.

He is going to need that time to attempt Cover Up, cleaning his tracks, in addition to plenty of last minute FAVORS & KICKBACKS to his friends.

You really think they came this far, ravaged, corrupted, torn apart, our country this much, just to slink away quietly?

If nothing else, they want the next 2 years for mop up duty, and as I said.....Lots & Lots of last minute FAVORS.

[Independent_Liberal]

10. Say what you will OCD, knowing you're never too optimistic, but...

...you're going to be in for a nasty surprise not too long from now. The Endgame has begun. It's almost run its full course. You'll believe me when you see it.

Peace,

IL

:)

[pnwmom]

2. You should be writing novels. n/t

[colonel odis]

3. the republican party will never run, much less appoint, either a woman

or an african-american. their base would revolt and we'd have a 3rd party in america by nightfall that day.

just my opinion.

[lala_rawraw]

4. at this point, nothing is nuts...

sounds plausible to me, but i doubt it. they don't have to resign. who will stop them from doing what they are doing? i think more likely that Congress is compromised by corruption and blackmail thanks to the NSA taps... but really, who the hell knows what is going on anymore. blah

[LiberalArkie]

5. I totally agree

Way too many democrats have been voting repub for so long. I believe that very early in Bush'e year one they had taps on everyone. That is the only reason to explain most of what has been going on.

I GWB was caught in a Presbyterian church having sex with a 6 year old boy and girl, he would just cancel the courts ability to do anything.

I am under the belief that he will be chief for many more years, not stopping in 08

[lala_rawraw]

7. i tend to agree...

i don't see this ending... this like this don't just end. once we hand over our rights, they are harder to get back. i am very sad and ashamed to be an American. this was something i used to be proud of.

[LiberalArkie]

8. Check out the one about " possable tactic "

Even Thursday political cartoon was about bush not leaving.

[lala_rawraw]

11. yeah, i am losing hope:(

[symbolman]

14. Don't do that.

That's part of Rove's plan, to dishearten DEMS into NOT voting, refusing to vote for "immoral" Dems who said yes to torture.

The only answer is to give this our best shot and Vote Straight Democratic (with the exception of LIEberman, hate that little shit), and see how DIEBOLD sorts it out, remember, even DIEBOLD can fuck up, and THEN we STRIKE, right in the middle of the chest with BOTH FEET.

Visualize it being a year from now and Bush stepping down in disgrace.. as he turns from waving to everyone on the Marine One Chopper, he smacks his head into the door frame and falls backwards down the steel stairs.

And NO ONE goes to help him :)

Buh Bye Massa Bush, have a nice flight...

It ain't over, they've just done enough damage that it will take 20 years to get back what we had in 2000, like termites. We just have to all join forces as Americans, not Dems or Cons, because we need the cons to kick these asses to the curb WITH US. :)

No Despair, only Solutions.

[lala_rawraw]

33. i don't know...

i have lived in the USSR, this is now becoming quite similar. the family is meeting tomorrow discuss leaving. and mind you, these are the most proud Americans you could find, at least they were until this administration. now they are worried about round-ups and such (my cousin is sitting in detention for no flippin reason) and they are worried about my writing. they have not asked me to stop, but they are worried. when someone has to make a choice about expressing their thoughts or protecting their family, we have moved way past a retrievable vision of the US. i am not saying that I give up hope on democracy or freedom or even the Constitution... to me these things are sacred. i just think those principles and this model now require a new home.

there is far too much going on that people don't know about and no one wants to talk about. detainment is just the half of it. the proximity to me and other things going on are making me very concerned for my family, which is far more important that i could ever be or the work i do. so, while i might feel differently after the election (right before we strike Iran I guess), for now, I am very sad and very worried about the state of affairs.

i admire your will to fight for those principles here, still... i need to get mine back. just don't know how. maybe if they let Bella out I might feel better, but that does not seem to be happening any time soon.

anyway, i go zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, because this week has been too long already and it is still not over.

[symbolman]

9. Thanks, I believe it is plausible

and washington is a strange town, hell I knew Foley was having questionable relations with young boys three years ago when I was debating our Rush Limbaugh Boycott with him and Scarborough on his show and it's just NOW coming out, so like you say, there are a LOT of Plausible scenario's out there..

It doesn't help that everyone's nuts and deep in corporate pockets and like you say the NSA (remember Hoover's files anyone?) getting the goods on them all, as well as getting a nice little Anthrax "care package" if you don't toe the line, which the FBI for some reason can't seem to figure out, even tho the Anthrax is all genetically "stamped", etc..

You spend enough time with all those nuts in Washington to write, La La, I respect you for that.

For the poster that said I should be writing novels, I am, and I even have some Hollywood Interest in it :)

Just remember, ALL things are possible in an Infinate Universe, and also that all Bush and Cheney have ever DONE is to go into a situation, milk it dry and then STROLL on out to the next..

Bush is not digging being Prez, he's going nuts, I've worked in two nuthouses and I know it when I see it, it was my job to identify those going over the edge :)

Glad to hear you have a new Guy Pal La La, saw him on CSPAN, good guy, congrats.

[lala_rawraw]

34. i only go to DC as needed...

and run to shower after, no offense to anyone living there. i prefer to conduct meetings outside of the all watching district and its paid actors. you should write novels, great way to make a whole new reality. as for guy pal... blush, thanks... he called into a radio show i was co-hosting and asked me out on the air... if you can believe that. he put me on the spot, he told me later, by asking me on the air, so i was obligated to say yes. glad he called in. but i had met him before because i worked on the script to get Paul T's book into documentary form and guy pal was producer, so we had met already. it was really cool that he ended up asking me out on the radio after we had already completed the project and not talked for a long while.

i don't plan on getting married again, ever, but on the off chance that i would lose my capacity to think and do actually re-marry ever, you are are more than welcome to come:D

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

6. They haven't stolen enough yet

[Imagevision]

13. They haven't stolen enough yet? what's to steal with no more -> POWER??

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

16. We think we are free.

[Imagevision]

12. Quite plausible, Bush exits, claims won't stand for Iraq exit, he looks

like he's done all he believed in instead of being called on all he and his administration would be found guilty of anyway from Dem investigations (after elections oversight would be re-installed) and waltz's away with self described dignity.

Bush leaves unscathed laughing his sick ass off at to the world and impeachment never enters the race. Clever and quite possible, can anyone here realize what Bush would be as a lame-duck leader with no power?

Even Cheney, he would feign heart probs and resign due to umm... doctors ordes?!!

symbolman, excellant post.

[symbolman]

17. Yep

I like the addition of he comes out smelling like a rose, Talking Tough, says what he says and means what he means and all that rot :)

Might as well be Popeye, "I Yam what I Yam"

Then all Repigs can scream that THEY STOOD FIRM and Now look at that MESS in IRAQ CAUSED by the Democrats - that's how it seems to work, been watching this for 50 years now, we started Takebackthemedia.com because we know THAT is the actual ROOT, the Reality Installing Machine now owned by the Republicans.

All this is boils down to PR Wars with us caught inbetween the Money and the Power to be had,

Thanks, appreciate the input :)

[mcscajun]

15. Only one thought. No matter WHO is in the WH, they don't get to

appoint who follows them, ever.

Order of Presidential Succession rules, or we really WILL have blood in the streets, and I'll start it. So, a few other items have to enter your scenario before Rice would be eligible. "Appointing" doesn't enter into it.

Order of Presidential Succession:
The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert***
President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens***
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of the Treasury Henry M. Paulson, Jr.
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne
Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
ineligible: Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce (not a natural-born citizen of the U.S.)
ineligible: Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor (not a natural-born citizen of the U.S.)
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
ineligible: Maria Cino, acting Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
Secretary of Homeland Security (*) Michael Chertoff

NOTE: An official cannot succeed to the Presidency unless that person meets the Constitutional requirements.

* In late July 2005, the Senate passed a bill moving the Homeland Security secretary to number 8 on the list. The bill is awaiting House approval.

*** And of course, if your scenario takes place next year AND we've taken control of either or both houses, these players change.

[symbolman]

19. Nixon

INSTALLED FORD, FORD Pardoned NIXXON - I was there, it was back in the day when I was DRAFTED so I was pretty politically aware.

I'm talking about REALITY, not the shit they teach people in school :)

WHo put Ford in there? Congress? What did they do, MAKE A DEAL? LOL..

They're all INSURANCE/USED Car Salesment, Oil Guys, Lawyers -- all they DO is make deals, and behind closed doors. Part of the fun is pretending to be a fly on the ceiling with all that you know. We know Lobbyists, they know a LOT of things that would curl your hair, and MOST of it ain't legal or moral, etc..

Just so you know, I understand how things are SUPPOSED to work, but that's not how they work, really. ;)

[mcscajun]

22. Nixon appointed a Vice President, who was confirmed by the Senate

and succeeded him upon his resignation.

I was alive and aware at the time, also.

This is a different animal from the one you're chasing.

[symbolman]

27. Nope, same animal

Cheney steps down for health reasons (as part of the Deal), and Bush Appoints RICE as VEEP, Bush Resigns, Rice is Prez, She appoints McCain/ Guiliani..

That isn't apparent? I thought that would be a given, sorry if I wasn't clear.

But in the end no matter how convoluted it gets, they are still Appointing who they want, yes? :)

[mcscajun]

29. Nope, wasn't apparent, You've cleared it all up now.

:)

[wryter2000]

18. Bush would never resign

Admitting fault and taking responsibility aren't in his worldview. He thinks the universe revolves around him.

[Individualist]

21. I agree

In addition, where would PNAC find a more compliant puppet? As long as Fratboy Sociopath gets to live in the White House, strut around in costumes and do pretty much as he pleases (never has to work), he'll go along with anything the cabal tells him to do.

[arcos]

20. I believe Hastert would become President if both Bush and Cheney quit...

Now, if Hastert resigned too, Rice would become President since she's the fourth in line, but she cannot be appointed.

[symbolman]

23. Okay, wrong choice of words

THEY DECIDE that's what they want and Congress DOES IT, just like yesterday and the day before.

All the nature of the DEAL.

Old politics was all about smoky rooms in the back of the bar where the power brokers make the deal. Just like in Court, for the most part when you walk in before the Judge the deal is already made, the rest is Dog and Pony show for their amusement and to make you think the lawyers are earning their pay.

If you've ever done Pro Se work you figure that out fast :)

[mcscajun]

24. Quite correct, and the day anyone tries subverting the Order

of Presidential Succession IS the day we yell "COUP" and take to the streets. If no one else sounds the Call, I Most Certainly Will.

[symbolman]

25. Excuse me

was FORD Speaker of the House when Nixxon resigned or am I getting too old to remember?

This may be why we get our asses handed to us all the time, and BIG SURPRISES.. "Hey, THAT's not how it's done!"

"That's how it's Done NOW Sucker, beat it.."

There aren't anymore rules, people need to get used to that and fight dirty, it's all that's left.

You don't Lean Into a Left Hook :)

[mcscajun]

26. This all goes back to my original post. What I indicated is that

as you described your scenario you needed to add a few items to make it semi-plausible.

"So, a few other items have to enter your scenario before Rice would be eligible."

[symbolman]

28. Like I said

having seen pretty much nothing but dirty politics all these years from them, I assume people know what I mean by saying "appoints", etc.. just saving time in the scenario, because the result is the same..

All boils down to a compliant Congress, and that's exactly where we are..

Rules are Vaporware for those who need something to hang their hat on, we're dealing with some pretty raw power here, the worst this country has seen in a long time :)

[mcscajun]

30. I have to totally agree with your last two phrases...

"...we're dealing with some pretty raw power here, the worst this country has seen in a long time."

[Independent_Liberal]

32. No, Ford wasn't Speaker of the House.

Democrats controlled the House and the Senate at the time. The Speaker of the House was Democratic Congressman Carl Albert. Ford was House Minority Leader. Nixon appointed Ford as VP after Agnew resigned. The President can appoint whoever he wants when there's a vacancy in the office of VP. The line of succession doesn't have to matter in that case. If both Bush and Cheney were impeached or resigned, Hastert would just step in. If the Dems get control of the House, Nancy Pelosi would step in.

This is how I believe it will go.

1. The Abramoff/Cunningham/Wilkes/MZM/Hookergate/New Hampshire Phone Jamming/Coingate doo doo hits the fan in October and 25 Republicans are indicted (including Ney, Hastert, Doolittle, Pombo, Burns, etc.).

2. Hadley is indicted by Fitzgerald for perjury and obstruction of justice.

3. Feith is indicted for espionage in the AIPAC investigation.

4. Gonzales is indicted by Fitzgerald for obstruction of justice.

5. Rove is indicted for something either relating to Plame or Abramoff.

6. Dems win back Congress.

7. Libby is convicted and implicates Cheney. Cheney is indicted and resigns.

8. Congress forces Bush to appoint McCain as VP.

9. Larry Franklin implicates Rumsfeld in the AIPAC case and Rumsfeld is indicted and resigns.

10. Congress forces Bush to appoint Lieberman as Defense Secretary.

11. The GOP forces Bush to resign because he's going to be impeached.

12. Bush resigns.

13. McCain is sworn in as President.

14. McCain appoints George Pataki as his VP.

Just my two cents.

Gotta go.

IL

[DemReadingDU]

31. Republicans are in power, they control everything

they will do whatever they want

[hootinholler]

35. Dude, pass some of that over here.

I could use a good buzz right now.

It *could* play out that way, but I find it highly unlikely.

-Hoot