Lou Dobbs says the immigrants are dumping Lazy-Boys in the desert?

[NNN0LHI]

He began talking about all the trash they leave behind and the video he was showing zoomed in on a Lazy-Boy sitting out in the desert. WTF? Does this nut think the immigrants are lugging Lazy-Boys into this country with them? Is Lou going nuts?

He also mentioned that Mexico was the richest country in South and Central America. Hey lou, Mexico is part of North America. Why not compare Mexico with other countries in North America as far as wealth goes?

Don

[RB TexLa]

1. Has to lump them and as many non-WASPs together. It's scarier

Every generation has someone to point to which group of non-WASPs are out to destroy their culture and way of life.

[Syncronaut Seven]

2. Doh!

So if I live in Kansas, that's Central America, right?

[Robbien]

3. The first thing I would grab before taking off on a long trek across the

desert would be a Lazy-Boy. Wouldn't anyone?

[KittyWampus]

4. I've heard a number of credible DU'ers cite garbage and trash left by

migrants/illegals passing through down in SW.

How would you feel if it was on YOUR property?

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

6. Have you ever tried to move a Lazy-Boy recliner???

I've got one and it's one heavy sucker.

Yeah right, the illegals are bringing them with them over the border. :sarcasm:

Lou is definitely losing it.....

[NNN0LHI]

7. You think they are dumping Lazy-Boys too?

I give up.

Don

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

10. Absolutely not, obviously you didn't read my entire post...

Please note the :sarcasm:

[NNN0LHI]

11. I was responding to the same poster you were not you

Nice to meet you though.

Don

[KittyWampus]

13. Do you deny they're degrading the environment & trashing property

in their wake?

I have no fucking idea about the lazy boy in the video that was shown.

But your flip attitude seems to imply you think there is no issue here for people to get upset about.

[EFerrari]

18. I'm sorry if you're upset about Mexican trash. The problem is

most undocumented workers contribute much more to a tidy and clean environment than other people because it's usually their JOB.



:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

21. I am not "upset" but those who live in the SW have a legitimate complaint

and in the end, your refusal to acknowledge others difficulties makes you appear arrogant.

[EFerrari]

25. And then I'd be an arrogant Mexican trash lover!

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

30. OH, YEAH! Perfect response.

They also have this nasty habit of dying from heat exhaustion, starvation, and dehydration and they just don't ever pick up themselves--er, I mean AFTER themselves...

:patriot::rofl:

[KittyWampus]

35. So you can't see the problem involves both their health and safety as well

as their negative impact on the environment and the property they are crossing over?

The desert is a rather fragile eco-system.

I'll post this one more time in this thread, since you think you have actually made some kind of point. :eyes:

Crossers burying border in garbage

Despite cleanups, trash along smuggling routes piles up faster than ever
By Tony Davis
Arizona Daily Star


After three years of cleanups, the federal government has achieved no better than a 1 percent solution for the problem of trash left in Southern Arizona by illegal border-crossers.

Cleanup crews from various agencies, volunteer groups and the Tohono O'odham Nation hauled about 250,000 pounds of trash from thousands of acres of federal, state and private land across Southern Arizona in 2002 to 2005, says the U.S. Bureau of Land Management.

But that's only a fraction of the nearly 25 million pounds of trash thought to be out there.

Authorities estimate the 3.2 million-plus entrants caught by the Border Patrol dropped that much garbage in the Southern Arizona desert from July 1999 through June 2005. The figure assumes that each illegal entrant discards 8 pounds of trash, the weight of some abandoned backpacks found in the desert.

The trash is piling up faster than it can be cleaned up. Considering that the Border Patrol apprehended more than 577,000 entrants in 2004-05 alone, the BLM figures that those people left almost 4 million pounds of trash in that same year.

That's 16 times what was picked up in three years. And that doesn't include the unknown amounts of garbage left by border-crossers who don't get caught.

Diverse trash found all over

snip

The trash includes water bottles, sweaters, jeans, razors, soap, medications, food, ropes, batteries, cell phones, radios, homemade weapons and human waste. It has been found in large quantities as high as Miller Peak, towering more than 9,400 feet in the Huachuca Mountains, as well as in low desert such as Organ Pipe National Monument and Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge.

snip


"In the Huachucas, you are almost wading through empty gallon water jugs," said Steve Singkofer, the Hiking Club's president. "There's literally thousands of water jugs, clothes, shoes. You could send 1,000 people out there and they could each pick up a dozen water jugs, and they couldn't get it all."

Cleanup not cheap, easy

While nobody has an exact cost estimate for removing all the garbage, it's clearly not cheap. But McFarlin agrees with several advocacy groups that without a tightening of controls on illegal immigration, a guest-worker program or other reform of federal border policy, the trash will just keep coming regardless of what's spent.

The financial details:
● In 2002, the U.S. estimated that removing all litter from lands just in Southeast Arizona — east of the Tohono Reservation — would cost about $4.5 million over five years. This count didn't include such trash hotbeds as Ironwood Forest National Monument, the Altar Valley, Organ Pipe and Cabeza Prieta.
● Since then, Congress appropriated about $3.4 million for a wide range of environmental remediation measures in all of Southern Arizona. This includes repairing roads, building fences and removing abandoned cars.
● The five-year tab is $62.9 million for all forms of environmental remediation for immigration-related damage across Southeast Arizona, including $23 million for the first year.

Waste unhealthy, unsightly

Most of the garbage is left at areas where entrants wait to be picked up by smugglers. The accumulation of disintegrating toilet paper, human feces and rotting food is a health and safety issue for residents of these areas and visitors to public lands, a new BLM report says.
"It's particularly serious in areas where there are livestock," said Robin Hoover, pastor of the First Christian Church in Tucson and president of Humane Borders, a group that puts water tanks in the desert for the entrants and coordinates monthly cleanups of Ironwood Monument and other sites.

snip
The trash also isn't good for wildlife, said Arizona Game and Fish spokesman Dana Yost. Birds and mammals can get tangled up in it or eat it, causing digestive problems, Yost said. It's not at all uncommon to find the trash in bears' stomachs, he said. Plastic bags, foil wrappers and certain foods are all problems.

Remote areas need more help
But clear inroads are being made into the trash problem, said BLM's McFarlin. Using the U.S. money, various local and federal agencies, the Tohono O'odham Tribe, the conservationist Malpais Borderlands Group and student youth corps remove trash from the most obvious and accessible areas, she said.
What needs tackling now are more remote areas such as wilderness, mountains and deserts far from major roads, she said. A couple of times, authorities have had to use helicopters or mules to haul stuff out of such areas.
This summer, with Border Patrol apprehensions of entrants down, the Tohono O'odham Tribe is seeing less trash on the ground than usual, said Gary Olson, the tribe's solid-waste administrator.
"I don't know whether they're hiding their trash or whether they are just not coming," Olson said.
But only six weeks ago, No More Deaths, an advocacy group that looks for injured, sick and lost entrants, came across a 10,000-square-foot area five miles west of Arivaca littered with hundreds and hundreds of backpacks.
"I've never seen anything that size. It's unbelievable," said Steve Johnston, who coordinates the group's camp near Arivaca.
Other activists from Derechos Humanos, Defenders of Wildlife and No More Deaths say the trash piles show what happens when the feds deliberately drive the entrants into the desert, by sealing the borders in cities.
"If you were going to cities, you wouldn't need to carry three days' worth of food," said Kat Rodriguez, a coordinator-organizer for Derechos.
But a Cochise County activist who has been photographing garbage and other signs of damage from illegal immigration for five years said she is appalled the federal government is spending tax dollars to pick this garbage up.

[blondeatlast]

38. Poverty isn't good for people, either.

Yeah, the border-crossers are a problem, but picking on them doesn't do a goddamned thing (I'm an Arizonan, btw, and quite familiar with the beautiful, fragile Sonoran desert).

I just care more about the desperate poverty south of the border and the desperate people who come over here for some glimmer of hope than I do about the Sonoran--and I LOVE the Sonoran desert.

It's a systemic problem, but I'm tired of all the blame for all the mess going to the immigrants.

They don't want to hurt the desert, or us, they just want to feed their families.

FYI--you picked the wrong person to educate about that part of Arizona. I was RAISED there. Immigration isn't a new problem, friend. It's just politically expedient to beat each other up about.

[Robbien]

20. If corrupt US employers would stop running help wanteds in Mexico

and the US elites stop supporting Global Corporate loving corrupt Mexican leaders

and NAFTA reversed

then Mexicans could stop all that nasty littering on your property you are so worried about.

They could stay home with their loved ones where they desperately want to be.

[pampango]

46. What would happen if Bush (not likely) or a future Democratic president...

cracked down on employers of illegal immigrants? Let's say in coordinated raids dozens or hundreds or thousands of employers were arrested and jailed or fined substantial amounts.

I know this is hypothetical, because no president is likely to do this, but what if? What would or response be on DU? I have read many posters who are sympathetic to the immigrants, but state that sanctions against employers would be the main focus of their policy on illegal immigration. I respect that, but wonder what would happen if their ideas ever became reality.

What would happen to those illegal immigrants already here and to those who hope to come here in the future?

[Robbien]

47. Okay, as you say, hypothetically

if a reasonable administration ran the show on making employers obey the law and hire only documented citizens they would do some sort of phase-in process. The problem has become so huge that this business of either/or black/white is stupid.

Stopping all undocumented workers would most definately hurt the US economy as a whole. But the current policy of allowing employers free reign is also hurting the US economy as a whole. BushCo's "guest worker" program is just a subset program of the current employer free reign policy.

Real attention and discussion of the problem is needed, but right now in the world we live in all that is possible is sound-bite nonsence.

In any phase-in process I would hope they would start with sweatshops and the child labor/sex industry.

[dkofos]

48. Once word gets out that there are no jobs for them they will stay

home.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. I'll deny that.

At least they're not creating anymore of a mess than the locals, tourists, and border patrol.

Certainly less damaging than the proposed fence would be on the environment.

"But your flip attitude seems to imply you think there is no issue here for people to get upset about."

Well, yeah, what we've got here is racists just making up shit about immigrants.

[KittyWampus]

29. You are suggesting DU'ers are just making shit up and are racist?

Because it's easier to ignore legitimate complaints, apparently.

Making shit up...

That you need to resort to name calling doesn't say much about your ability to prove a point.

[EFerrari]

31. And your need to repeat scurrilous rumors about

poor and desperate people is equally indicative of your discursive prowess.

[KittyWampus]

34. Here's a news report about my "scurrilous rumors" with facts & statistics

No need to apologise. And as far as I can tell from scanning the AZStarnet.com headlines, they are not Rightwingers. edit- they have a searchable data base of immigrants who've died crossing over the border, so they might lean a bit "lefty".

Crossers burying border in garbage

Despite cleanups, trash along smuggling routes piles up faster than ever
By Tony Davis
Arizona Daily Star


After three years of cleanups, the federal government has achieved no better than a 1 percent solution for the problem of trash left in Southern Arizona by illegal border-crossers.

Cleanup crews from various agencies, volunteer groups and the Tohono O'odham Nation hauled about 250,000 pounds of trash from thousands of acres of federal, state and private land across Southern Arizona in 2002 to 2005, says the U.S. Bureau of Land Management.

But that's only a fraction of the nearly 25 million pounds of trash thought to be out there.

Authorities estimate the 3.2 million-plus entrants caught by the Border Patrol dropped that much garbage in the Southern Arizona desert from July 1999 through June 2005. The figure assumes that each illegal entrant discards 8 pounds of trash, the weight of some abandoned backpacks found in the desert.

The trash is piling up faster than it can be cleaned up. Considering that the Border Patrol apprehended more than 577,000 entrants in 2004-05 alone, the BLM figures that those people left almost 4 million pounds of trash in that same year.

That's 16 times what was picked up in three years. And that doesn't include the unknown amounts of garbage left by border-crossers who don't get caught.

Diverse trash found all over

snip

The trash includes water bottles, sweaters, jeans, razors, soap, medications, food, ropes, batteries, cell phones, radios, homemade weapons and human waste. It has been found in large quantities as high as Miller Peak, towering more than 9,400 feet in the Huachuca Mountains, as well as in low desert such as Organ Pipe National Monument and Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge.

snip


"In the Huachucas, you are almost wading through empty gallon water jugs," said Steve Singkofer, the Hiking Club's president. "There's literally thousands of water jugs, clothes, shoes. You could send 1,000 people out there and they could each pick up a dozen water jugs, and they couldn't get it all."

Cleanup not cheap, easy

While nobody has an exact cost estimate for removing all the garbage, it's clearly not cheap. But McFarlin agrees with several advocacy groups that without a tightening of controls on illegal immigration, a guest-worker program or other reform of federal border policy, the trash will just keep coming regardless of what's spent.

The financial details:
● In 2002, the U.S. estimated that removing all litter from lands just in Southeast Arizona — east of the Tohono Reservation — would cost about $4.5 million over five years. This count didn't include such trash hotbeds as Ironwood Forest National Monument, the Altar Valley, Organ Pipe and Cabeza Prieta.
● Since then, Congress appropriated about $3.4 million for a wide range of environmental remediation measures in all of Southern Arizona. This includes repairing roads, building fences and removing abandoned cars.
● The five-year tab is $62.9 million for all forms of environmental remediation for immigration-related damage across Southeast Arizona, including $23 million for the first year.

Waste unhealthy, unsightly

Most of the garbage is left at areas where entrants wait to be picked up by smugglers. The accumulation of disintegrating toilet paper, human feces and rotting food is a health and safety issue for residents of these areas and visitors to public lands, a new BLM report says.
"It's particularly serious in areas where there are livestock," said Robin Hoover, pastor of the First Christian Church in Tucson and president of Humane Borders, a group that puts water tanks in the desert for the entrants and coordinates monthly cleanups of Ironwood Monument and other sites.

snip
The trash also isn't good for wildlife, said Arizona Game and Fish spokesman Dana Yost. Birds and mammals can get tangled up in it or eat it, causing digestive problems, Yost said. It's not at all uncommon to find the trash in bears' stomachs, he said. Plastic bags, foil wrappers and certain foods are all problems.

Remote areas need more help

But clear inroads are being made into the trash problem, said BLM's McFarlin. Using the U.S. money, various local and federal agencies, the Tohono O'odham Tribe, the conservationist Malpais Borderlands Group and student youth corps remove trash from the most obvious and accessible areas, she said.

What needs tackling now are more remote areas such as wilderness, mountains and deserts far from major roads, she said. A couple of times, authorities have had to use helicopters or mules to haul stuff out of such areas.

This summer, with Border Patrol apprehensions of entrants down, the Tohono O'odham Tribe is seeing less trash on the ground than usual, said Gary Olson, the tribe's solid-waste administrator. "I don't know whether they're hiding their trash or whether they are just not coming," Olson said.

But only six weeks ago, No More Deaths, an advocacy group that looks for injured, sick and lost entrants, came across a 10,000-square-foot area five miles west of Arivaca littered with hundreds and hundreds of backpacks.

"I've never seen anything that size. It's unbelievable," said Steve Johnston, who coordinates the group's camp near Arivaca.
Other activists from Derechos Humanos, Defenders of Wildlife and No More Deaths say the trash piles show what happens when the feds deliberately drive the entrants into the desert, by sealing the borders in cities.
"If you were going to cities, you wouldn't need to carry three days' worth of food," said Kat Rodriguez, a coordinator-organizer for Derechos.
But a Cochise County activist who has been photographing garbage and other signs of damage from illegal immigration for five years said she is appalled the federal government is spending tax dollars to pick this garbage up.

[frylock]

36. i believe what the poster is trying to imply is that..

if a Lazy-fucking-boy lounger is out there, then could it possibly be that a large portion of that trash ISN'T contributed by undocumented immigrants, but rather it is left there by full-on legal AMERICAN citizens.

I routinely hike through and around known migrant routes. I've seen the one-gallon water jugs neatly stashed in the scrub oak, or left in a cool rock alcove. I've also seen some litter left behind by migrants, but the lions share of garbage that I find out there is left behind by good ol' white American people.

[leesa]

40. They are carrying hardly ANYTHING. What are yoiu talking about?

Why do you think they're dying in the desert. They aren't even carrying water.

This is PROPAGANDA. The trash comes from people dumping illegally. US citizens (I imagine) who do not want to pay the dumping fees.

[brook]

16. You should see

my front yard after the weekend tourist traffic through here. They refuse to part with their Lazee-Boys however.

[EFerrari]

5. LOL!

:rofl:

[Vidar]

8. More likely something the "mintemen" left beheind.

[calico1]

9. What about LA-Z Boys? Are those getting dumped too?

I have actually known a few lazy boys I would have liked to dump in the desert.:silly:

[BrotherBuzz]

12. Three out of four illegals chose Barcalounger over Lazy-boy...

:hide:

[countryjake]

14. Here's Dobbs on his off-days...

[TlalocW]

15. Those Mexicans

They're too lazy to even cross the desert without stopping to take a siesta. :sarcasm:

TlalocW

[Generic Other]

17. Land of the Lazyboys

[EFerrari]

19. Thanks! I wanted to do that!

lol

:hi:

[Generic Other]

23. Lifestyles of the Rich and Clueless Lou Dobbs class

I am trying to imagine the Mexicans carrying old lazyboys on their backs across the river so they have a place to sit on their way north. Forgive me for having a fit of giggles.

Lou, those Lazyboys didn't get out in desert that way. They got dumped by some redneck suburban hillbilly out of the back of a fancy pick-up truck because he was too cheap to pay the fee to use the local landfill collection site. And that Lazyboy if anything was probably re-cycled by some poor family who didn't have a damn chair at all. I think that's how the poor live in this country.

:hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. They decided they would get a new one after they "steal" a CEO job..

I often see the immigrant laborers around here lounging around in the fields, sipping martinis in Lazy-Boys waiting for their chauffers pick them up in the limo to take them home to their McMansions.

[Darkseid69]

26. He get specific?

I need a lazyboy. Nice and warm from the sun

[Darkseid69]

27. He get specific?

I need a lazyboy. nice and warm from the sun.

[spanone]

28. Lou just wears my ass out on the immigration issue.

[Telly Savalas]

32. I have no problems with people LEGALLY dumping Lazy-Boys

But if somebody wants to carry a Lazy-Boy for miles into the desert to dump it ILLEGALLY, there should be serious consequences and repercussions.

[EFerrari]

33. LOL!

[countryjake]

37. Bwahaha! Damn right, that's a felony for sure!

Where'd all those Lou-lovers get to? Think they saw all the Republicans he had on this week, pushing their campaigns?

[Judi Lynn]

39. Maybe they wouldn't die by the hundreds each year in the desert

if only they left their Lazy-Boys at home! That's gotta wear them down so much faster.

Or maybe they should try to invest in these motorized Lazy-Boys.

[KharmaTrain]

41. Put Some Dingall Balls On That Thing

:rofl:

I have this funny image of three trying to hop the fence at Nogales dragging a bulky recliner with them.

Lou's phobias need some professional attention.

Cheers...

[kskiska]

42. Truckers routinely toss urine-filled bottles on roadsides

‘Urine trouble,’ some states warn truckers
Tens of thousands of ‘trucker bombs’ litter roads



Roadside litter comes in all shapes and sizes — from dirty diapers to syringes — but there's one category that out-grosses the rest: trucker bombs.

Most drivers whiz along the nation's highways largely oblivious to their roadside surroundings. But next time you are out there, take a closer look.

"As soon as you look for it you’ll see it," says Megan Warfield, litter programs coordinator at Washington state's Department of Ecology. "You just see them glistening in the sun. It’s just gross."

more…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7912464/

[The Revolution]

43. North America

It's actually fairly common to refer to North America as just the US and Canada. Kind of like how "America" is generally used to refer to just the US and not just anything in North & South America.

I saw part of a documentary on the Mexican-American War last night, and at least one of quotes from the Mexican side refered to the Americans as the North Americans. Which I thought was kind of surprising, as I had kind of assumed that it was only used that way in the US. And I was looking on Wikipedia later and saw that, in Mexico, the war is referred to as la intervención norteamericana (the North American Intervention).

[NNN0LHI]

45. That may be a common mistake for some as you suggest

Just not one that I have ever remembered making. We couldn't graduate from the fifth grade without being able to identify the worlds continents. Its not like there are a lot of them.

Don

[Cleita]

44. Good one, especially about Mexico being in North America.

The Lazy-Boy seems like something that would more likely be left behind by the Minutemen not the immigrants.

[Pathwalker]

49. And murderers have twice dumped exidence

of their crimes on our street. Evidence which was later used to convict them - we called the police on them.