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oldboy101 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:03 AM
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How soon must we Democrats truly go Underground?
It is only a matter of time now. Our cowardly Congress has handed the Dictator everything he needs to control the populace and squelch any dissent from his dictates.

It will begin slowly at first, picking up and interning just the most vocal protesters, but it will gradually spread to include all of us who complain about any abuses of the now all-powerful Regime. No more silly checks-and-balances for this government!

With the former Soviet Union the gulag of concentration camps was in Siberia. I suppose we have plenty of open space available in northern Alaska for the new internment camps.

As for myself I am 70 years old so it will not matter that much. But I weep for all the young people whose lives will now be cut short or subjected to a stifling tyranny. Farewell Freedom. Farewell America.
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:11 AM
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1. Sooner than most think
Most people have no idea what has happened to the United States. I have told those around me, that people will just start to disappear and no one will know what ever happened to them. Of course they think I am an alarmist and off my rocker. I hope I am wrong. I hope I am 100% wrong.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:14 AM
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2. I completely agree with
both your assessment and your desire to be 100% wrong.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:09 AM
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8. "They Thought They Were Free"
by Milton Mayer

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to – to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:20 AM
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3. More Reason To Stand In The Sunshine & Fight
Your words sound similar to those of my late mother. But she said that during Nixon and again during the Raygun years. I'm grateful she didn't have to endure what we've gone through since she passed. But then I look at my children and constantly wonder what type of world they're walking into and see it as my place to at least give them a fighting chance. Part of this is fighting to retake this country from the arrogance and ignorance of the past 20 years.

Yes, Congress all but abdicated the last of its authority, but this wasn't the Democrats who did this, it was Repugnicans...and we still have a chance on Nov. 7th to turn a very big and important corner.

I'm 50 and have seen plenty of swings in my life...and I can't recall the 50s and you do...and it always seem the darkest before the dawn. This country is due for a major reckoning and this abuse of power by the right wing may be just what was needed. People are starting to wake up and see how draconian things have become. They're looking at a disatrous war, failing economy, deteriorating healthcare and educational system and the blame is going sqaurely on the Repugnicans. No longer are their memes of being "fiscally responsible" or "pro-military" or "watching out for our security"...their main causes for bullshitting enough people to win elections is starting to peter out. Our job is to make sure all the people we encounter who have a bitch about what's going on get to the polls on Nov. 7th...and you may start to see some daylight.

Marshall McLuhan and others in the 40s and 50s saw that as we become a more mobile and communicative society and with it comes new abuses. As society become more "instant", so are the opportunities to pry and manipulate...and that's a lot of what we've seen today. Information has become the new source of power and those who control it feel they control both power and history.

In the wake of Watergate, Congress made up for lost time by passing the first true campaign finance and espionage laws...a reaction to the Nixon abuses. I have a strong feeling a day of reckoning will come for the abuses of this regime...many of the draconian rules will be eliminated and those responsible will be judged, if not by a jury in the Hague, but by history as the greatest threat to American freedom.

Cheers...
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oldboy101 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:32 AM
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5. Yes, we must fight while we still can.
It is hard not to be pessimistic in these new circumstances, but by all means let us not go down quietly without a fight. We must vote for our Democratic candidates in November and pray that we can wrest control of Congress from the toadies of the greedy wealty elite who now control this country. If Diebold does not steal the election we may yet prevail.

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:21 AM
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4. Both Abu Ghraib and Guantanomo are undergoing massive expansions
There's plenty of space in the USA, too, for insurgents.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:40 AM
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6. My God - imagine the scenario....
....people fleeing the United States, going for Political Asylum in Europe ........
If this wasn't so truly frightning, despicable and outrageous - it would almost be comical.
What a damn nightmare.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:59 AM
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7. There's just not enough tinfoil
to cover all these heads. Is there? C'mon people. No one is going to be "disappeared." No one.
Our cause is hampered by such extremist, sci-fi insanity.
Tsk tsk.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:16 AM
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9. "Our" cause..
... isn't hampered by anything typed in on a message board. If messages boards could sink a party, FreeRepublic would have sunk the Reps years ago.

If you look at the exact factual reality of where we are right now, 6 years ago anyone suggesting it would have been written off as you are doing.

Just becuase you can't extrapolate into a possible future doesn't mean no one else can.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:19 AM
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10. I'll trust the top legal minds in the country, thank you. Please read
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=237748&mesg_id=237748

By Bruce Ackerman, a professor of law and political science at Yale and author of "Before the Next Attack: Preserving Civil Liberties in an Age of Terrorism."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=237747&mesg_id=237747

by Marty Lederman, Georgetown University law professor, and former attorney advisor in the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel from 1994 to 2002, where he concentrated on questions involving freedom of speech, the Religion Clauses, congressional power and federalism, equal protection, separation of powers, copyright, and food and drug law.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:57 AM
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13. Wake up and smell the Extraordinary Rendition.
People have ALREADY been disappeared,
and BushCabal™ is working hard to pass
bills making those disappearances and
torture the law of the land.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:30 AM
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11. It would be easier for them to go after the internet.
If they can control the internet then we all just fade away. Out of site, out of mind, and no longer a cohesive movement.
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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:11 AM
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12. My late father-in-law was a POW
during WWII. He was a classically trained singer, as I am. He was one of the small percentage of survivors of those imprisoned nearly 4 years after Battan. Many years later the Air Force Chaplain sent him a letter, thanking him for helping others survive - by singing for them. Lately I've begun to picture myself singing for fellow prisoners.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:06 AM
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14. I was thinking of the movie "Demolition Man"...
the part where Dennis Leary had the underground society of non-conformists and anarchists...that is what I see happening-if things don't change
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