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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:51 PM
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"Are you people insane?" - Shame on the United States Senate
It was supposed to be a work of fiction.

In November of 1998, a blockbuster movie came out in theaters across the country. It starred Denzel Washington, Bruce Willis, and Annette Bening.

In ripped from the headlines type style this movie at first seems to be a typical action movie about terrorists being chased by the FBI.

In reality however, this film was a prescient warning about how our own out of proportion fear in reaction to terrorism was a bigger threat than the terrorists themselves.

In the movie, the terrorists initially blow up a Marine barracks in Saudia Arabia, to which a renegade American general named William Deveraux, played by Bruce Willis then hunts down and kidnaps the Sheik Achmed bin Tilal who was believed to be responsible for planning the barracks attack.

In turn the terrorists take to terrorist attacks in New York City, beginning with bus bombings, then a theater bombing, then an attempted school bombing, and finally the destruction of the Federal Building in New York City which in the movie killed 600 people.

The protaganist in the film was FBI agent Anthony Hubbard, played by Denzel Washington. With mixed success, he and his team of agents stop some of the terrorist attacks and fail to stop others - including the attack which destroys the Federal Building and kills his coworkers and friends.

In response to the escalating attacks, the President (at the time Bill Clinton) declares martial law in NYC and appoints General Deveraux to oversee it.

The General, now in charge of the situation grows ever more out of control. He rounds up all the Arab males in the area and places them into a soccer stadium in fenced enclosures surrounded by razor wire and armed military police.

He seizes a man named Tariq Husseini who the General believes has knowledge about pending attacks from the custody of Agent Hubbard and procedes to torture and finally kill him.

In the torture scene, while General Deveraux and his men discuss the efficacy of various means of torture to extract information from the helpless man who sits strapped naked to a chair in front of them in the mens room, Agent Hubbard begs the General not to torture him:

Anthony 'Hub' Hubbard: "Are you people insane? What are you talkin' about?"

General William Devereaux: "The time has come for one man to suffer in order to save hundreds of lives."

Anthony 'Hub' Hubbard: "One Man? What about two, huh? What about six? How about public executions?"

General William Devereaux: "Feel free to leave whenever you like, Agent Hubbard."

Anthony 'Hub' Hubbard: "Come on General, you've lost men, I've lost men, but you - you, you can't do this!

What, what if they don't even want the sheik, have you considered that? What if what they really want is for us to herd children into stadiums like we're doing? And put soldiers on the street and have Americans looking over their shoulders? Bend the law, shred the Constitution just a little bit? Because if we torture him, General, we do that and everything we have fought, and bled, and died for is over. And they've won. They've already won!"

Well it was supposed to just be a work of fiction, but now it is a fact.

Today we became the nation that has legitimized torture and thrown the Constitution out the window.

Today the terrorists have won and the light has gone out on our freedom.

Today the United States Senate ignored the warning of "The Siege", and did the unthinkable. Instead of punishing the President for commiting crimes against humanity, it legitimized and legalized torture and passed laws to destroy the protections of habeas corpus and prevent the Courts from reviewing this evil being practiced in our names.

Shame on them.

Doug De Clue
Orlando, FL
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:53 PM
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1. Shame on the Rubberstamp Republican Senate
Let's stay focused on exactly who brought this shame to our country.

"By mostly party-line votes, the Senate rejected Democratic efforts to limit the bill to five years, to require frequent reports from the administration on the CIA's interrogations and to add a list of forbidden interrogation techniques."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:56 PM
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2. Sorry but there are just some things that transcend ordinary politics..
This just disgusts me beyond measure so don't lecture me about politics right now..

Let's stay focused on human DECENCY and staying out of the dark ages..

Doug D.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:00 PM
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4. This isn't politics
This bill was completely written by the White House and Republicans. People wonder why voters don't know what these Republicans are doing - and this is why. Every time they do something outrageous, we focus on Dems instead. Talk about insanity.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:05 PM
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6. Let's get it straight...
Of COURSE I have HUGE problems with the Republicans and Bush on this issue.. Before you lecture me, go read my blog at:

www.brainshrub.com/blog/121 and go back to my first post there last November.

I have been hammering away at this issue an entire year.

I expect slimeball behavior from the other side.

What disgusts me is when OUR side, the supposed good guys, get all weak in the knees and fold up like cheap accordions...

I was supposed to spend my week helping Bill Nelson's campaign here in Orlando as a volunteer - I'm gonna want some answers from the Senator now if he wants my help and my money. I was very disappointed.

For that matter I'm very disappointed in Mel Martinez EVEN THOUGH HE'S A REPUBLICAN. For someone who came from a Cuban dictatorship where they torture and imprison people he sure seemed to have no qualms about doing the same here.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:11 PM
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10. I understand completely
I absolutely think you should get an explanation from Nelson, I understand it would be incredibly difficult to campaign for someone who had violated your basic principles as deeply as he did. And there was no reason for it, I can't see Harris coming back on this bill alone. I'm just saying that Democrats didn't bring this bill to the floor and fought for amendments to fix it. That's worth continuing to fight for, to me.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:14 PM
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11. Don't get me wrong..
I'm not giving up on the Dems at all..

I'm very active in the party and a seasoned and talented campaigner for the party here in Central FL and provide candidates with free voter data consulting in addition to the ordinary campaigning stuff like canvassing, phone banking, etc. It's just the ones who caved on this vote that I have a problem with.

Nelson was up 20+ points over Harris last I saw.. he didn't have to cave - it was pathetic for him to cave in on this vote.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:01 PM
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5. Yea lets stay focused.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 10:02 PM by William769
Lets see who voted how, before we take them out & shoot them. :eyes:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:59 PM
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3. Shame on the Republicans for being weenie babies
The Republicanbs disgust me.

They have lost any sense of having wither a brain or a soul by throwing away basic human decency, eroding the Constitution and licking the butt of George Bush.

I'm kinda pissed at the Democrats fo0r not fighting this fropm the inbstant it was proposed, but the main culprit are those Robot Republicans
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:06 PM
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7. Except that a fair number of weak kneed Dems gave into the Dark Side...
Including my own Senator Bill Nelson...

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:09 PM
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8. I'll include them but this should not have been partisan
The fucking Republicans should not have taken it this far.

In an honest vote of conscience it would have gone down in flames. But the GOP has lost its conscience.

Is it worse to lose a soul or a backbone? Not sure. Either way I'm pisseed at the whole damn bunch of them at the moment.

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:11 PM
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9. Exactly...
Soul-less Republicans and de-boned Democrats...

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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