I don't think Roe vs Wade will be overturned if Alito is confirmed

[mtnsnake]

Don't get me wrong. I do not want to see this guy confirmed. I hate Alito. I hate what he stands for; I hate the fucking sight of this pasty-faced, Delay-look-alike neocon. However...

The Republican think tank is arrogant and breeds corruption, but they're not stupid like their constituents are. They (the think tankers) know very well that if Roe vs Wade is overturned, it would be the one thing outside of a draft that would finally wake the idiots of this country up. OTOH, they know if Roe vs Wade is left alone, that the idiots (moderate Republicans, swing voters, and foolish Democrats who all voted for Bush) will remain complacent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of people in this country are for a Woman's Right to Choose, and not all those people are Democrats, obviously. The Repug think tank knows very well that they'd lose that faction of moderate Republican voters if a woman's Right to Choose is taken away. In a way, I'd almost love to be able to look ahead in time to see what would happen to their party if they ever tried the unconscionable. They overturn this law and all hell would break loose. I think it would mean the end to their party winning elections for decades.

Alito scares me, not just for what many of us think could happen when it comes to Roe vs Wade, but for how he's going to affect everything else, too.

(edited for clarity)

[Dinger]

1. Roe Will Only Be The Beginning

Their "crowning acievement" will be the dismantling of the Constitution.

[mtnsnake]

4. I think it would be The End

The end of them if they take the right to choose away.

[cally]

2. Well, Grover Norquist says that Alito will absolutely overturn

Roe V. Wade. He generally knows what this cabal is up to.

[Beelzebud]

3. Agreed. They don't really want to get rid of their main wedge issue.

Once they did that, all of their One-Issue Voters would not bother coming out on election day anymore.

[mtnsnake]

11. That's right. They'd lose one of their main weapons against us

and we'd gain one against them. Freedom of Choice.

[Jane Austin]

5. Access to abortion is going to be the very least of our problems if

if Alito is confirmed.

And that is not to diminish the importance of choice in deciding what happens to our own bodies, medically.

It's just to say that the paradigm has shifted to survival of Democracy itself.

[FormerDittoHead]

23. Yes. I'm more concerned with the bigger picture...

Corporate rights over personal rights.

Loss of freedom of speech, if it means effecting corporate profits.

And random "scanning" of houses, and searches if certain "key items" are detected...

Loss of pension protections from bankrupcy.

There is literally no end to where their brand of "logic" can take them, but it won't resemble anything of what we'd call a free society.

[Demeter]

6. Lots of Luck, Then

I never thought anyone would try to get away with blatantly violating the Constitution and publicly admiting it on international television. I never thought a sitting President would deliberately destroy the American economy. I never thought anyone would try to steal a national election nationwide.

I know better, now. These people will bring the roof down over their own heads, if their ideology calls for it. They are without reason.

[ret5hd]

7. it will bee a slow erosion...

with the SC validating every roadblock short of out-and-out banning...every two-bit idea the religious right comes up with: no procedures in clinics, waiting periods, ultrasounds, brochures (propaganda), counseling, psychological testing, etc etc etc. Anything and everything to make it more expensive, tedious, psychologically draining, time-wasting, and confrontational. Already there are states where it is nearly impossible (unless you are rich).

[Arkansas Granny]

19. I think you're right. They can't afford to lose it as a campaign

talking point, but they will restrict it to the point that very few women will be able to actually have one performed. As you state, there are already many states where the costs and restrictions have made abortion unavailable to most women.

[calico1]

8. I think it will be overturned and left to the states.

They have been promising it for too long to come this far and still not give the right Roe. And besides, after Roe they can go after other women's rights like sexual and job discrimination, education, etc. And they have the gays and minorities to go after. The gay issue alone will give them ammunition for some time to come. I do not feel optimistic at this point. I think most Americans are for privacy. But I also think too many Americans have been too complacent for too long. And we will all pay a heavy price for that.

[GodlessBiker]

9. I think it will be overturned, and then watch things happen.

Poeple will wake up then.

[reality based]

10. Do not underestimate the folly and shameless audacity

of the "Federalist" Society cabal.

[wakeme2008]

12. while they may be stupid and do this

IMHO, the real leaders of the Repugs know this would kill the Repug party.

The Pro-Lifers are the biggest single issue voters out there.

The Pro-Lifers are major $$$ to the Repug party.

The Pro-lifers are a major source of foot soldiers at election time.

IMHO, if RvW is overturned, the Leaders of the Repug party know they have pissed off the independents.

AND gave little reason to the Pro-Lifers to vote, $$$ and work for the Repug party.

Just my opinion.

[calico1]

14. Well, if they succeed in rigging every election

from now on or eventually eliminating them, then they don't have to worry about Independents, do they?

[wakeme2008]

20. That's the problem

you can rig only so much. Once the polls show a 10% spread, the rigging gets hard to do and get ppl to believe it was not rigged, Just IMHO

[demgurl]

13. You forget that they do not have to overturn it.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately and I think they will not overturn it since that is one of the big issues for their party. No, instead I think they will do something worse. I think they will make it so impossible to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal.

They have already basically done this in one state where all but a single abortion clinic has closed down and they seem to be working very hard to make sure that last one gets closed down.

Look at all the extras they are trying to add on when they talk about parental consent or spousal consent. They keep adding on more and more restrictions for the clinics as well as the individual people. I believe people feel too comforted by thinking that this law may never be overturned and they are missing the big picture. I think they will keep abortion legal but make it impossible to get one.

[mazzarro]

15. This is totally wrong

You are assuming that these rethugs are incapable of manufacturing another wedge issue - WRONG! They will overturn Roe v Wade and move on to another issue or even invent another face of same issue to fight on for - i.e. constitutional amendment banning choice. This is a fight that they relish and will not back away from - for one bit!

[Chef]

16. Roe

Frankly, I don't think they care if it gets overturned. It's more valuable as an issue to rally the faithful while they plunder the middle class for money.

[stray cat]

17. I think Bush wants someone who will enhance pres. power

[John Q. Citizen]

18. Your assumption is that democracy will continue to play a roll

after the hijacking of the Supreme Court.

Who cares if a majority supports privacy rights?

When the democratic process is dismantled, there will be no recourse, whether the majority like it or not.

[Mel]

21. I tend to agree with you

it's just one of their wedge issues though. Do you think they are they willing to give this one up though? Now that they feel they have those evil homosexuals :sarcasm: to go after, maybe so? I think, yes and I just don't know at the same time. I do know that I have a bad bad feeling.


I'm much more worried about Alito's views on Unitary Executive Power. It's over, stick a fork in us, we are done, if Alito backs the President/Executive Branch on Unitary Executive Power. I fear, Alito will and no longer will we have equal branches of government we will have a Corporate War Machine Supporting King.
Democracy will be dead hell it's on life support right now.

[LynneSin]

22. Roe V Wade is still 5-4 in our favor

They have Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and possibly Alito

We have Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg, Breyer and Kennedy.

But Kennedy is a bit of a swing on the issue. He'll guarentee the right but he was also in support of Casey with the Casey Vs. Southeast PA Reproductive which allowed for limits on choice including parental notification and waiting periods

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

24. That's under the assumption that if Roe vs Wade is overturned...

...the anti-choice people will simply pack up and go home.
They will not. They'll scream even louder than before, because they have to keep it overturned.
And then they'll work on the "blue" states. Remember, for a "blue" state, Minnesota has a
Republican governor and a sizable representation in the state legislature (if not a majority in at least one of the houses.)

If overturning Roe vs. Wade will turn the decision back to the states, several of those "blue" states are going to immediately write up
anti-choice legislature, if they haven't done so already. South Dakota has such a "trigger" law on the books already, even though it's a "red" state.
If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, that law will immediately become valid.
What do you think their neighbor to the east will do? Either write up a law themselves, or write up a law that forbids bringing an out-of-state
woman into Minnesota to have the procedure. The border between South Dakota and Minnesota is rural farm country, and those districts have been voting
Republican since near the end of the Reagan administration.

The anti-choice people will not simply disappear if Roe vs. Wade is overturned.
No...overturning Roe vs. Wade is just the beginning.

[TheBaldyMan]

25. well the MSM would never stir up a smokescreen to distract

the public from whats going on. GET REAL. Alito is a RW nut.

The Bush administration thinks it has a god given right to run the country, why else do you think they are bugging indiscriminately, stuffing ballot boxes and shitting on veterans. It is because they are the 'natural party of government'. They are the embodiment of crazed power brokers. They are putting Alito forward as a means to shift the political centre of gravity even further to the right, that has been the aim from the outset.

A tame MSM will not raise a squeak of protest and parrot talking points, business as usual.

[michiganbuckeye1970]

26. Other issues are of a worry, as well

It seems like the abortion issue is serving more as a bait and switch tactic for the right wing. Like so much that the right wing does, they hang the abortion issue out for their neo-christian (I use the term neo-christian because the current convervative Christian movement is only loosely based on traditional Christianity), mostly poor, base. But in reality the other things these right wing extremist support disturb me as much as the abortion issue.

For one thing, right wing judges have allowed corporations to back-track on promises made to retirees (mainly about health care) that have cost people their life savings. Corporations have received unprecedented protections, other individual rights (with the exception of the gun right) have been eroded.

And yet, it seems that if these conservative judges would come out during their confirmation and say, "I promise not to overrule RvW" very little fuss would be made about their confirmation. Other issues be damned.

All of these issues will do tremendous harm to their base (much like the bankruptcy law), yet no one is talking about anything except abortion. And the base doesn't care what happens to itself as long as in their mind "all the sluts are punished by having to carry unplanned and unwanted babies to full term." I swear that that is what the abortion issue comes down to.

Roe will probably not be overturned right away...Not until Stevens has to step down (what are the chances that he will make it another 3 years). Then I would imagine Scalia will step down in Bush's last year, thus securing a majority of conservative fundamentalist for the next couple of decades.

Let the good times roll.

[Horse with no Name]

27. Ten years ago

It wouldn't have been an issue.
Now, the only thing that Bush has left is his radical fanatic fruit-loop fundie base.
The only way he can keep them is to throw them a bone.
Problem is, the only bone they want is Roe v. Wade.
Of course, choice is just a smaller issue on the huge horizon that looms ahead if Alito is confirmed.
The Constitution will be rendered useless. Our country will have a dictator and we will be deep in fascism.
Women will become property of men again.
And if you thought Clinton getting a blow job was big, wait until they are lining up our daughters and sons to take turns fucking them on the desk. This is a perverse bunch. By the time this group is done with our country, they WILL be able to get away with it and we won't have any recourse.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. Who needs Roe v. Wade...

when you have "Gay Marriage" as the new and improved GOP Boogieman???

Roe will be overturned and go back to the States, where the fight will go on, one State at a time.

And the spectre of two men or two women taking each other in matrimony will take over the heavy lifting of driving the base to the polls.

[philosophie_en_rose]

29. They don't need to overturn Roe to limit abortion.

They can destroy it through limitations.

- Parental Notification
- Spousal/ Bio Father Notification
- Time Limits
- Limit to Rape and Incest
- Limit to only to Rape and Incest that are proven in a court

and on and on...