will they filibuster?

[LSK]

[Mass]

1. It is too late!

[BuyingThyme]

8. No, it's not.

[Mass]

12. Yes it is!

[BuyingThyme]

14. That's just what your "leaders" want you to think.

[LSK]

15. explain

[Mass]

18. The only way to filibuster is to have a vote for cloture and get less than

60 YES. For most bills, there is no vote for cloture because the two parties agree to a length for the debates. This is what happened there. Dont ask me what in the world made them accept that, but they did!

So, there will be no vote for cloture and therefore no filibuster.

[MrCoffee]

11. Levin has time to debate on the bill. it's not too late.

[Mass]

13. The only way to filibuster is to vote against cloture. There will be NO

vote for cloture because Reid entered an agreement with Frist there will be none, and no Senator opposed to that when it was time.

[MrCoffee]

16. they just said they were going into cloture at the end of debate today.

[Mass]

20. Exactly, there will be no vote. The cloture has been accepted.

[BuyingThyme]

19. There are no rules prohibiting filibuster.

[Mass]

22. There is no "Mr Smith goes to Washington" filibuster.

[MrCoffee]

23. wait, the only way to END a filibuster is to vote FOR cloture.

cloture ends debate.

[Mass]

25. THEY ACCEPTED CLOTURE BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT

There will be NO VOTE. If Reid said some people he was considering a filibuster, he was lying. It was too late yesterday, when Reid accepted a limited debate and no democrat objected.

[BuyingThyme]

27. He was only lying in that he wouldn't admit that he agreed not

to filibuster. That's just too damn embarrassing to admit.

But he still can.

[Mass]

28. Just tell me how. They accepted cloture by Unanimous consent

yesterday. Tell me how they can filibuster.

[BuyingThyme]

31. If there was cloture yesterday, what are they debating today?

[Mass]

37. Because cloture does not mean that you stop debate, it means

you agree to a limited time of debates.

[BuyingThyme]

38. I don't think that's right.

But if you direct me to a link, I'll read about it.

[LSK]

43. here

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/common/briefing/Standing_Rules_Senate.htm#22

2. Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule IV or any other rule of the Senate, at any time a motion signed by sixteen Senators, to bring to a close the debate upon any measure, motion, other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, is presented to the Senate, the Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer, shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and one hour after the Senate meets on the following calendar day but one, he shall lay the motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the question:

"Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

Thereafter no Senator shall be entitled to speak in all more than one hour on the measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, the amendments thereto, and motions affecting the same, and it shall be the duty of the Presiding Officer to keep the time of each Senator who speaks. Except by unanimous consent, no amendment shall be proposed after the vote to bring the debate to a close, unless it had been submitted in writing to the Journal Clerk by 1 o'clock p.m. on the day following the filing of the cloture motion if an amendment in the first degree, and unless it had been so submitted at least one hour prior to the beginning of the cloture vote if an amendment in the second degree. No dilatory motion, or dilatory amendment, or amendment not germane shall be in order. Points of order, including questions of relevancy, and appeals from the decision of the Presiding Officer, shall be decided without debate.

After no more than thirty hours of consideration of the measure, motion, or other matter on which cloture has been invoked, the Senate shall proceed, without any further debate on any question, to vote on the final disposition thereof to the exclusion of all amendments not then actually pending before the Senate at that time and to the exclusion of all motions, except a motion to table, or to reconsider and one quorum call on demand to establish the presence of a quorum (and motions required to establish a quorum) immediately before the final vote begins. The thirty hours may be increased by the adoption of a motion, decided without debate, by a threefifths affirmative vote of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, and any such time thus agreed upon shall be equally divided between and controlled by the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. However, only one motion to extend time, specified above, may be made in any one calendar day.

If, for any reason, a measure or matter is reprinted after cloture has been invoked, amendments which were in order prior to the reprinting of the measure or matter will continue to be in order and may be conformed and reprinted at the request of the amendment's sponsor. The conforming changes must be limited to lineation and pagination.

No Senator shall call up more than two amendments until every other Senator shall have had the opportunity to do likewise.

Notwithstanding other provisions of this rule, a Senator may yield all or part of his one hour to the majority or minority floor managers of the measure, motion, or matter or to the Majority or Minority Leader, but each Senator specified shall not have more than two hours so yielded to him and may in turn yield such time to other Senators.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this rule, any Senator who has not used or yielded at least ten minutes, is, if he seeks recognition, guaranteed up to ten minutes, inclusive, to speak only.

After cloture is invoked, the reading of any amendment, including House amendments, shall be dispensed with when the proposed amendment has been identified and has been available in printed form at the desk of the Members for not less than twenty four hours.

[BuyingThyme]

45. Thank you.

[AndyA]

2. No chance in hell. Not this group of do-nothings. n/m

[dkofos]

3. Not the right time

Keepin the powder dry

I made a deal with frist

I'm spineless and not worthy of my position

[LiberalinNC]

4. Harry Reid was on Big Eddies this afternoon and he said he saw

no reason to filibuster...that's when my jaw dropped and knew it was over!

[Selatius]

5. The Democratic Party won't win anything at this rate.

In fact, it will only continue to remain the losers if it does not want to stand up and represent something...anything.

[n2doc]

6. Reid said no

it is over. People don't seem to understand this. But they will. And it ain't gonna be pretty when the delusional are slapped with reality.

[bobbolink]

17. Pretty clear that NOTHING is important enough to take a stand.

Yet, so many still don't get that we have lost our country.


Wonder when it'll sink in.

[n2doc]

24. That's the thing- have we EVER fillibustered in the last 4 years?

Once? Just Once? Seems like that would be a good chart- showing frequency of fillibusters per congressional session, and who was in power.

[bobbolink]

29. NOPE--not important enough. And MY lovely Sen is one of the 14.

Yeah, good ole Salazar.

He's partly responsible for this country going down. Not that it matters to him.

I'm sure his personal wealth is growing.

CRAP!!

Wouldn't you love to have a talk with Thomas Jefferson about now? Can you imagine the words he'd have for this generation of lilly-livered turncoats???

[boolean]

33. Yet Thurmond filibustered over civil rights...

Apparently that was worth it...

[bobbolink]

36. Why is the the strength always seems to be on the wrong side???

I never have understood that.

I guess courage is hard to come by.

Especially when your fat pay check and medical care, etc., hangs in the balance.

GAK.

[LSK]

32. yes - ANWR drilling last winter

[Nutmegger]

34. Alito

But they caved on that.

[brentspeak]

7. Beats me. I guess we'll find out when the time comes.

[StellaBlue]

9. Of course not.

Why stand up now?

They won't filibuster the upcoming Sedition Act, either.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. Nope

Just like before they decided to keep it for when it is really needed.


:banghead:

[w4rma]

21. It's time now to use the powder. (nt)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

35. You know, they remind me of my grandmother

When she died we found a brand new set of china that she had put away and never used. My mother said she was saving it for special occasions. Whatever they were, those special occasions, they must have never occurred. She died with it in a box carefully wrapped and packed away as good as the day she married my grandfather. But she never got to use or got to enjoy them because she was afraid of damaging them.

[mdmc]

26. filibuster takes courage

just like peace. Vote Green if you want a party you can be proud of. Vote Dem if you want the lesser of two evils...

I vote Dem. I ain't proud.

[bobbolink]

30. BWAHAHAHAHA! I ain't proud, either, eh?

Very well put!

:toast:

It's only our country.

What the hell.

[mdmc]

39. hang tough

this too will pass... :patriot::toast::patriot:

[bobbolink]

41. And so will I.

Shall we take bets on which passes first?

:hi:

[bobbolink]

42. delete for duplicityy

[mdmc]

44. I'm afraid we will all pass before there is an America that we can

be proud of.
courage.

[cornermouse]

40. Not a chance.