FLOOD THE OFFICES WITH CALLS NOW: Just called Kerry's Office PATHETIC

[debbierlus]

If you are from MA - call KERRY'S OFFICE NOW
202) 224-2742
Just called Kerry's office

PATHETIC

He is doing everything in his power. Yeah, right. Asked: What is he doing?

I don't have any information.

PATHETIC

I AM DISGUSTED. I told them he needs to lead and show leadership. Nothing he can do.

BS

Call all at once NOW

[babylonsister]

1. Did you hear him on the floor of the Senate? Quit bashing and

listen to this:

http://rapidshare.de/files/34772357/JK_senate_floor_9-2...

or read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2851226

[mike_c]

9. support for a filibuster is the ONLY action that will count....

If the MCA goes to a vote it will pass on party lines. EVERY dem senator knows this. There is ONLY ONE WAY to block this monstrosity, and that is going to require more courage than an elequent floor statement and a "no" vote on the bill. Forty-one patriots must vote NO! on cloture.

[Mass]

10. We agree. He cannot do it alone. They need 41 senators.

[blm]

13. I hope a Justice committee or Defense committee Dem does their duty and

leads a filibuster.

I now understand that Reid gave up the minority party's right to filibuster as part of his negotiations.

DAMN IT!!!

[blm]

29. Just found out Reid GAVE UP minority party's right to filibuster this bill

as part of his negotiations.

My read is that Reid was pre-empting certain senators who he assumed WOULD filibuster against his wishes, yet again.

Sorry, but that is FOCKED!

[TayTay]

34. You mean Harry Reid, the darling of the netroots

did this? He gave away habeas corpus and the rights of members of his own Dem Caucus to filibuster unilaterally because he didn't like it politically?

I'm shocked, just shocked to find politics is being played here.

[blm]

36. This is a heinous act for a minority leader. I'm sorry, but it is.

It takes away the essence of the senate floor and any hope for equal treatment.

[mike_c]

40. America has been betrayed by its leaders....

This is a sad day for democracy-- essentially the end of fair justice and legal protection in the United States.

[blm]

46. I am one who gave lots of leeway to Reid as leader - but this is an act of

malice aforethought, imo.

The only reason he could possibly have to offer up filibuster is if he suspected a Kerry or Kennedy, Leahy or Feingold were preparing to filibuster and he didn't want it to happen.

There is just no other reason.

[wisteria]

51. I think you are on to something. Too close to an election and he

wanted to keep his powder dry. Gee, that powder must be caked by now.

[blm]

53. He better cancel his deal. That's all I have to say to that.

.

[KittyWampus]

56. You don't know what you're talking about. Reid'd deal got the Democratic

Amendments on the floor.

If he hadn't made that deal, there would be no filibuster because some Dems would cave and there would be NO CHANCE FOR DEMOCRATIC AMENDMENTS>

At least this way, Democrats stood up and forced debates on specific points and offered ALTERNATIVES.

[blm]

57. I found that out since I posted.

But, great to see you sassy as ever. ;))))

For some reason I appreciate it when it comes from you.

[The Wielding Truth]

65. looking for an answer......

[liberalmuse]

2. I've already thanked Sen. Kerry...

because I know he is standing against this torture crap.

[LSK]

3. it amazes me how DUers dont pay attention

Kerry was just speaking against this bill a few min ago. How do you know hes not behind the scenes fighting to get this filibustered right now?

[rockymountaindem]

16. Not only do they not pay attention, they just automatically target Kerry

Gee, I wonder why?

[JohnnyLib2]

4. Please clarify

I can't stay by media or internet right now. Whaaaaat?

[lonestarnot]

5. Lighten up and pay attention! and beware of criticism of the

real President!

[demnan]

6. He did all he can now

Help us elect Jim Webb for the Senate in Virginia by donating to his campaign so Kerry will have another war hero ally in the Senate to vote on bills like this.

[blm]

7. Sorry, but most of us watched the senate floor where Kerry just CONDEMNED

this bill in no uncertain terms.

[Mass]

8. Did you call Kennedy? He is after all on the Justice and Defense

committee. (not that I think he did nothing, but I am getting tired by your double standards).

Kerry gave two speeches this morning against this bill, just so you know.

[flyarm]

11. i would hardly say Kerry was pathetic..did you listen to him? did you??

save pathetic for the republicans will you please..

our dems are on the floor fighting their asses off...did you see it..are you watching??

if you are please take the rose colored glasses off and watch it..

the dems including Kerry are mad..they are yelling and they are fighting!

save the pathetic bullshit for where it belongs..the republicans that are destroying our constitution to cover up pissy pants breaking our laws!

fly

[bdamomma]

32. they (dems) are fighting for this unlawful act

[flyarm]

49. i guess you are not watching ..they are fighting to stop it..

in every way they can, when they have absolutely no power whatsoever..

now Byrd just put another amendment up..and Levin just added his name to it..the dems are throwing amendment after amendment to try to circumvent what the rethugs are trying to cram down our collective throats..

and at the same time dems are throwing one amendment after another on the floor..* and cheney just went into the capitol..to put pressure on the rethugs...

so what else can dems do..but to keep throwing monkey wrenches into the fray??

please if you know what else they can do..by all means ..call them and advise them..

fly

[karynnj]

54. Some dems maybe, Kerry, Kennedy, Feingold, Leahy and

others are fighting as hard as they can.

[sandnsea]

12. No, your post is PATHETIC

Some of us have been contacting news outlets and Congress over this bill for quite some time now. Anybody who just woke up to this today in order to bash Democrats is PATHETIC. Sadly, that's where the majority of DU is at and the motives are quite clear to me. PATHETIC.

[BuyingThyme]

14. How long have you been on this bill which was just written?

[blm]

18. The general aspect of the bill has been in circulation for a month now.

This latest version isn't significantly better, just because it was still being written last night and today.

[sandnsea]

19. Ten days on this specifically

I've contacted my Senators and Rep, written LTTE's, made phone calls, wrote and called again today.

[karynnj]

55. The outline of the compromise was known late last week

but from comments of Senators the WH has been constantly changing it.

[INdemo]

17. Beware of freepers in sheep's clothing

[Bonobo]

23. Holy misplaced anger, Batman!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. The best way to bash the Democratic party...

is to call yourself a Democrat and support torture.

[cynatnite]

15. Sounds like the staffer was pathetic n/t

[karynnj]

58. What do you even know about the staffer?

The OP says nothing to make me think he/she did anything other than answer the phone politely. Now, if the staffer hung up on him, or asked "what torture bill, hold on I'll ask?", then the comment would be fair.

Remember the netroots whining that Kerry didn't know his place and needed to listen to Reid or the inside the beltway people complaining that Kerry was leading on things where "the party leaders" preferred someone else? The fact is Kerry has fought to lead. On this, Reid gave the game away. Kerry made a very strong appeal to conscience, reason and history. Would that some of the Republicans had a conscience.

The staffer's answer is good. I assume Kerry and many others are trying to persuade anyone they could to vote by what is right, not fear.

[cynatnite]

61. The staffer sounds pathetic by his/her lack of knowledge...

on what Kerry is doing.

Most everyone here at DU knew what Kerry was doing, but that staffer didn't know a thing. He/she said 'I don't have any information'. That is pathetic. They should know.

[TayTay]

20. I am from Mass and I will call to thank him

for what he said today.

They CANNOT filibuster this bill. That was part of the agreement that Harry Reid made to strip it out of the Secure Fencing Act and have it as a stand-alone bill.

Why don't you call Harry Reid's office and scream at him. He is the one who knifed his own caucus in the back.

Oh, but that's too easy. And it doesn't allow you to be made at Kerry, which is the whole point of your screed here.

Pathetic indeed.

From the DKos thread asking for a filibuster:

They apparently can't filibuster (0 / 0)
because of the deal worked out between the leadership before it came to the floor which prevents a cloture vote. I just called John Kerry's office to ask if there's any procedural way to block it at this point and his staff says no.

****************

That wasn't Kerry's doing. It was Reid's.

[Pathwalker]

21. I take it you don't get C-span2.

Otherwise, you might have heard him SPEAK OUT against this bill. Sorry you are so badly informed.

[Bonobo]

22. I said to them if he was willing to die in Vietnam to protect the US,

why isn't he willing to embarrass himself or even be thrown off the floor with some type of protest?

[TayTay]

24. What kind of protest?

We all hate this bill, but we lost this fight when the filibuster was pulled from the table Tuesday night by the Leadership agreement between Frist and Reid.

I don't want silly clown activities on the floor. I want people in the streets. I want my country back!

[Bonobo]

31. I want to go in the streets, but WTF would I do there!!

I live in a progressive town. Protesting here means NOTHING.

I have 3 children. I don't want them to become fatherless.

What resistance can we mount? I give money, I give time, I make phone calls, I email, I fax, what else can I do?

I don't want a clown show on the floor. I want a hero to stand up and scream "No you will not!"

I want Kerry to not allow a vote to take place and FORCE them to pull him off the floor shouting if that's what it takes to do his job to represent us. It's not clown activity! It's reasonable behavior considering what is happening.

Patriots gave their lives for less than this. I think a pol could brave a little humiliation if that's what it would take.

You and I know that any Dem that did it would be an instant hero.

[TayTay]

37. He can't do anything!!!!!

How many ways does this need to be said for the truth to sink in.

The Democrats were betrayed by their leadership on this. The leadership made a deal with Frist that there would be no filibuster if the bill went to the floor, not as an amendment to the Secure Fencing Act, but as a separate, stand-alone bill. They also gave in on the request that there be only a few amendments allowed and that debate time be limited to two friggin days.

Kerry didn't do that, Reid did. How many times do we have to say this simple truth.

[Bonobo]

41. Why why why? And how do you have such inside knowledge that a deal

was made?

[TayTay]

43. Ah, yeah, it was mentioned on the floor of the Senate

and is a part of the official Congressional Record that you can access from the senate website for Tuesday

www.senate.gov

Congressional record.

It's a matter of public record.

[Bonobo]

44. thanks.

[bdamomma]

39. I only wish we were at the Senate busting down the doors.

a girl can wish.

[karynnj]

60. What are you thinking about?

Oddly enough the appeal to reason and to conscience in his speech is far stronger than "embarrasing himself" What did you have in mind? I'm not even sure how a Senator COULD protest on the Senate floor. He is after all allowed to be there.

In 1971, he changed many minds in the country through an emotionally charged speech that he had the moral credentials to deliver. But, that was back when we had a free press and media. I assume that few people, no watching CSPAN, will see it. Instead, we'll see things like Paris Hilton arrested for DUI.

[JohnnyLib2]

25. no response from the poster, eh?

I smelleth deceit.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Nice hit and run post.

[TayTay]

27. Yeah, especially after Nelson (R-Nebraska) was only Dem to vote

to repeal Habeas Corpus and that Kerry called this vote unconstitutional.

I smell a rat as well. Why didn't this poster call out Nelson? Why Kerry who spoke so eloquently against amending the law to allow torture?

[mike_c]

42. the vote is meaningless grandstanding because it will NOT stop...

...this monstrous bill from passing. If EVERY senate dem votes against it, that won't matter one whit. They all know it. They are safe-- they can vote however they want because its passage is assured. Reid has already betrayed America by giving up the right to filibuster. There is NOTHING to be proud of in the senate today. All the eloquent speeches are being given by dems who ALREADY know that the bill's passage is a done deal. This is just politics as usual, while they flush America down the toilet.

[annabanana]

45. um . . . ..he didn't give up the right to filibuster,,,,n/t

[mike_c]

47. see #29 above-- I'm looking for confirmation from other sources now....

eom

[blm]

33. We're used to it, ronny. They always grab a current issue, bash Kerry and

then a quick skeedaddle.

[bdamomma]

30. Kerry did get up and say something, he is totally against this.

[karynnj]

62. He's actually the only one who was been speaking against

torture on a daily or near daily basis at least since Septemer 7 on Hardball. THe answer to the question at Peperdine was extremely emotional - maybe because of the ties to basic morality,

Reid was very very wrong on this. Far more Americans are as horrified as Kerry was. His words and body language told it all - he is completely horrified by this. (As were many others - I was coming and going and missed many - but Kennedy and Leahy were pretty angry and disgusted. We aren't alone.

I hope that when a new Congress comes in Kerry leads on effort to replace Reid with Durbin.

[helderheid]

35. wonder why my thread is pulled and not this one.

[BuyingThyme]

48. Did you say something negative about acquiescence?

[helderheid]

52. All I said was his face was on that website.

www.democratsfortorture.org "him" being Rep. Matheson

[BuyingThyme]

63. Thank you. That's an important website.

[radfringe]

38. finally got through..after a couple of hours of hitting last# dialed

Kerry /Kennedy's office in MA - told them I was a resident, -- errr..yes (about 9 years ago) -- they did ask for a zipcode so I gave them one of my old ones - heck I'm not using it anymore (smirk)

ennywhoo - told them that "k" has to vote this bill down, that america is better than that - or it use to be until about 5 years ago...

still trying Reid's office... lines are busy - so good sign? lot's calling?

for what it's worth - I did e-mail, snailmail, and phoned my repugs in PA

[wisteria]

50. There really isn't anything he can do. ! n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. For God's Sake Leave Kerry The Fuck Alone.

This request is pathetic, not Kerry.

[blondeatlast]

64. Post. Run. Sign in at Daily Kos. Repeat. Sign it at MyDD. Repeat.

Sign in at DNC site. Repeat.

Let's see, it's been how long now since the OP?