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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:05 PM
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Q is: Do You Personally Approve of Govt Engaging in Torture In Your Name?
...It really is simple as that.

These elected officials in Washington are acting on behalf of each and every one of us at home. If we do not agree that they are representing our views and beliefs, then we have the duty to speak out and make them aware of how they are failing to adequately and accurately representing us.

If you believe that the government should be able to torture in your name, by all means remain silent. If torture is not something you want your government to engage in using your name, then now is the time to speak up.

THere is no fence on this issue.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:10 PM
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1. Of course not, torture is inhumane and against internatonal law
...and so America should not allow itself to be taken in by the BushCo and neocon fascists to use torture.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:10 PM
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2. simpler than that. anyone who commits or approves others to commit
torture is a criminal and needs to be tried.

remember bushco has already prosecuted, convicted and sentenced AND jailed, soldiers who have done it.
these are criminals, but they are powerful enough to try to change the law to keep themselves from being prosecuted.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:13 PM
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3. And anyone who supports those politicians who support torture...
Are enablers of torture.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:16 PM
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6. My point exactly, there is no middle ground on this issue....n/t
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:19 PM
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12. Yup. There are no "gray areas" on the subject of torture. nt
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:17 PM
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7. That's ridiculous.
How many Democrats voted in favor of torture? How many Republicans voted in favor of torture? Which party would you rather see control Congress? If you vote against a Democrat or don't vote you are voting FOR the party that almost unanimously approves of torture. If you do anything to risk the Democrats controlling the House or the Senate then YOU are an enabler of torture.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:14 PM
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4. Of course not and it is simple.
If you don't believe in torture do all you can to ensure that Democrats regain control of congress.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:15 PM
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5. So if Torture is Approved, How Do We Differ From Our Enemies??
THis is not a "fighting fire with fire" situation.

As soon as we adopt our enemies' torture tactics we have become like them, and have lost the moral ground upon which we based our opposition.
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ForFuxakes Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:25 PM
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9. So by your logic...
If we can not depend on our elected representatives to vote as we would want them too (by giving control to the dems), the only logical next step is open revolution....right?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:36 PM
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11. "Representatives" still means they represent those of us who elected them
....it means that they must act in our best interests, and when they do not those of us who sit at home(or behind our computers) do not get a free pass to say "oh well, we can do nothing" WE have a duty to speak out, and vote accordingly.

THat is why we have elections, and not representatives for life! When they fail to act in our best interests, the ballot box holds them accountable.

In this case, we may encounter the dilemma of having to choose between candidates who both would support torture. Electoral decisions are usually made on more than one issue, which you fail to acknowledge. In that case, we have the duty to "educate" our representative as to the indefensible postion they have taken. We have that duty as well.

However, torture is never right. Doing the right thing is never wrong. And if a representative votes to allow my Government to torture other human beings in my name --then they are wrong. Period.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:23 PM
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8. Hell no! And neither would any person who is not a sociopath.
Really, it is simple. Torture is bad, wrong. It doesn't take a course in ethics to know this. It boggles the mind how anyone can be for torture, but usually these same people lack the ability to put themselves in another's shoes. I find too many such people call themselves 'Republicans'.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:30 PM
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10. I do not
but after standing on the corner in peace demonstrations over the past three years I can tell you that there are many Americans that are not bothered by torture . They do not care if we torture the 'brown' people and would really rather that we save the time and kill them off. It is a sick society that we live in and we may as well realize that right now!
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