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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:40 AM
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Which phase will we be in after the War Criminals Protection Bill passes?
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 10:08 AM by Mzztakable
March 22, 1933 - Dachau slave labor death camp established

The Hitler regime established the first concentration camp about 15 kilometers northwest of Munich, dedicated on March 20 by Heinrich Himmler. It held about 5,000 prisoners, mostly Communists, Social-Democrats, and homosexuals. Bavarian police guarded the prisoners until April 11, when the SS took over. The slave-labor death camps, so hideous in their reality that Germans didn't want to hear about them, became an efficient tool in silencing opponents of the regime. Dachau was a political camp and the first Jewish detainees were among the best-known political opponents of the Nazi regime. More than 10,000 Jews from all over Germany were interned there after Kristallnacht http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/knacht.html. When the systematic genocide of Jews began, the Jewish prisoners were deported from Dachau and other camps in the Reich to the extermination camps in the East.


Throughout 1933 and 1934, thousands of Communists, Social Democrats and Jews were arrested in various parts of Germany. There was no secret about these arrests. The German people made no effort to stop Hitler's terrorism. They allowed themselves to be brainwashed by his relentless propaganda and regarded their Fuhrer as making heroic efforts to re-establish order and decency.

On May 2, 1933, Hitler dissolved all the German trade unions and within six months he had destroyed the largest and best-organized workers' movement in the world at that time. This catastrophic defeat of the German workers had the worst possible psychological effect because throughout this entire time there was not even a single symbolic act of resistance. Had there been even an attempt at resisting the Nazi's relentless destruction of human freedoms, it would at least have allowed the workers to feel that they had not gone down without a struggle.

Throughout 1933 and 1934, the SS, Gestapo and police, often assisted by fire brigades and emergency services, regularly sealed off specific German housing estates and combed through them house by house for suspected enemies of the state. Local SA groups carried out beatings, arbitrary arrests and spontaneous vandalism, creating an atmosphere of terror and helplessness in working class strongholds Germans had believed to be safe. In this way the Nazi goons smashed any semblance of working class solidarity. The Gestapo built up its surveillance apparatus to make mass resistance impossible. So German people felt an ever-present sense of terror and fear, as if they were living in a country occupied by foreign troops.

The Nazi terror continued, unchallenged:

June 22, 1933: the Social Democrat party, the only opposition party to the Nazis, was banned

July 7, 1933: the elected Social Democrats were expelled from the government

July 14 1933: a law was passed making sterilization compulsory for those considered unfit

July 15, 1933: all political parties were banned except the Nazi party

July 1933: concentration camps were systematized

October 1933: the entire press was now under Nazi control

New laws destroyed editors' and journalists’ independence and expression of personal opinion

The film industries were taken over one by one

November, 1933:

General elections were held for a single-party parliament

The Nuremberg race laws were established

January 20, 1934: ‘Regulation of National Labor’ broke the power of all organized labor within German workplaces

January 30, 1934: the local governments were dissolved without provision for re-election; local commissioners were henceforth appointed by Reich ministers to whom they were beholden

February 1934: the Upper House of Parliament was dissolved

May 5, 1934: the German Protestant Church's ‘confessing synod’ made the ‘Barmen Theological Declaration’ against the totalitarian state; later in 1934, the Catholic Bishop Galen of Munster preached against the Nazi attacks on Christianity in a sermon widely disseminated

June 30, 1934: the ‘Night of the Long Knives' - hundreds of "enemies of the state" were murdered in cold blood

The massacre included several prominent non-Nazis, among them, the leader of Catholic action and two army generals

Among those murdered were socialist revolutionaries within the Nazi party.

People the world over were shocked at the mass bloodshed, but no reaction within Germany or elsewhere challenged the Nazi terror.

August 1934: Hitler became Der Führer as well as Chancellor; a plebiscite of the German people formally ratified his dictatorship
The German people had allowed this reign of terror to seize control of the entire nation without any significant resistance or expression of outrage.

The same thing can happen to any people who do not begin early to resist the attacks on their liberties.

Norman D. Livergood

:scared: :mad:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:46 AM
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1. "The Gestapo built up its surveillance"
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 09:47 AM by Warren Stupidity
The Gestapo built up its surveillance apparatus to make mass resistance impossible.

And we are now in the process of making the use of that apparatus to supress all dissent entirely legal. That is where we are now.

The torture and star chamber legalization act also includes the FISA disembowelment legislation. Together they are the final legal documents that put an end to this particular enlightment era experiment in liberty through the vehicle of a constitutional republic.

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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:14 AM
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5. It's beyond frightening, and beyond conspiracy theories. I just hope it's
not beyond the time to act.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2235474

BTW, I lived in NH for 10 years (Rochester and Manchester)
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:47 AM
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2. K&R
Reading this stuff makes my already upset stomach churn.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:16 AM
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6. Thanks, Teapot. You are not alone. I find myself in a state of perpetual
nausea.
:scared: :mad: :grr: :banghead: :puke: <--my range of emotions
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thedeanpeople Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:51 AM
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3. The silence is deafening. . .
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 09:53 AM by thedeanpeople
. . .It has become physically painful to watch our so-called leaders in the Democratic Party as they try to "condemn" the Bush syndicate, while remaining hell-bent on assuring the American people "Hey, but don't worry, we won't go impeaching anybody!"

The sound like morally-confused, mealy-mouthed, morons.

You cannot tell the truth if you are too frightened to do what the truth demands of you.

BTW -- I've been using "War Criminals Protection Act" -- "Criminals" personalizes in a way that may be more effective. And it is true. They are out to protect War Criminals, primarily themselves, from prosecution "in any court of the United or its States or territories."

Page 79 of http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/nkk/documents/MilitaryCommissions.pdf">Bush's version):

(b) RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—No person in any habeas action or any other action may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto as a source of rights, whether directly or indirectly, for any purpose in any court of the United or its States or territories.

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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:10 AM
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4. I agree, and changed it to read "Criminals"
Welcome to DU :hi:

Speaking of deafening silence, I'll be out participating in Ft. Lauderdale on October 5th http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2235474
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:21 AM
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7. AND I think the Democratic Leadership is still worried they won't be
appealing to the pukes if they make any kind of fuss. Apparantly they don't realize that the pukes WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THEM ANYWAY.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:35 AM
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8. Shameless kick
:kick: :hi:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:15 AM
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9. Our Hitler has yet to rise.
2008 is a big year. Cat-killers make good serial killers and surgeons. Frist is the one to watch.

The groundwork for that type of authoritarianism is being laid. Who knows how it will end?

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:23 AM
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10. k&r
If I asked everyone I know what habeas corpus means, I wonder how many could tell me? My friends are progressive but I'm the only one who talks about & brings up this & all the other atrocities this administration is committing. My friends agree with me, but there is a bit of winking behind my back, like I take all this too seriously. Nevertheless, I'm sending this to everyone I know.

And I think this years holiday gift book will be "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:43 AM
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13. I'm going to buy it as soon as possible.
I found a comprehensive review:

Sinclair Lewis, the first American to receive the Nobel Prize For Literature, wrote this satirical political novel in 1935, a time when the United States and Western Europe had been in a depression for six years. In this novel, Sinclair Lewis asks the question – what if some ambitious politician would use the 1936 presidential election to make himself dictator by promising quick, easy solutions to the depression - just as Hitler had done in Germany in 1933.
The hero, Doremus Jessup, a small-town newspaper editor in Vermont, turns 60 years old the year the dictator is elected. Doremus struggling for a year with the new government’s attempts to censor his paper and ends up in a concentration camp. Within a year he escapes to Canada, from there, he goes on missions back into the states for the underground resistance movement against the dictatorship.......

More here: http://www.motherbird.com/Can'tHap.htm
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:25 AM
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11. Sit on your ass and fuck with the bloggers phase ... eom
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:37 AM
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12. Will you be participating on October 5th? There must be something planned
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:53 AM
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15. thanks for the link
:hi: I'm looking
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:44 AM
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14. Defcon 2
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:05 PM
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16. we all saw this coming after the patriot act
it is so depressing how most of america has no clue how close to fascism we are. Only one bill away.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:15 PM
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17. "One bill away" really puts it in perspective. I remember being accused of
:tinfoilhat: because of my rantings and predictions over the anti-Patriot Act. One bill away. My God.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:16 PM
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18. NOW can we call them Nazis? Or at leas PNazis, this new century's version?
Just asking.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:22 PM
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19. If it looks like a Nazi, and acts like a Nazi, and reeks of fascism....
I'd say uh-huh :hi:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:55 PM
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20. Some people are worse than Nazis because the whole Nazi history is known
to all adults not wholly ignorant. Since the history is known, anyone who mimics the apparatus and tactics used are worse because they know fully what they are doing IMNSHO.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:01 PM
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21. I think I'm getting into the phase where I stock up on lots of ammo.
No sense in waiting until ammunition sales are prohibited. I'm already stocked up pretty good but need more 30-06 and 12 gauge magnum shells.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:14 PM
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22. Anyone who says that Democrats want to abolish the 2nd Amendment has never
met the likes of us. :hi: :7
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:52 PM
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23. k&r - now that this abomination of a bill has actually passed the Senate,
with the aid of twelve, TWELVE!, so-called Democrats, this thread is more important than ever...
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:07 AM
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25. We are now in Phase 3 of the Nazification of America
On March 24, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and Nation, also known as the Enabling Law, essentially granting Adolf Hitler dictatorial power. There was no further need for elections because the Fuhrer/Dictator made all the decisions!
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:05 AM
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24. By the way, the OP described Phase 4
Phase 1 - Seizure of Power
January 30, 1933
Hitler is appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg

Weimar Republic President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler Chancellor even though the Nazis were only a small minority in the German government. Hitler began immediately to orchestrate the complete takeover of all mechanisms of governance and functions of state, to make Nazi Germany a totalitarian dictatorship.

Phase 2 - An Atrocity to Subdue the People
February 27, 1933
The Reichstag Fire

At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven. "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history. . . This fire is the beginning," Hitler told a news reporter at the scene.

Phase 3 - The Leader Destroys Elections and Appoints Himself Dictator
March 24, 1933
The Enabling Act

On March 24, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and Nation, also known as the Enabling Law, essentially granting Adolf Hitler dictatorial power. There was no further need for elections because the Fuhrer/Dictator made all the decisions!

Norman D. Livergood

So, I ask again, what phase are we in?

The Nazification of America
http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step4.htm

:patriot:



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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:10 AM
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26. It could happen again. Most ppl don't even pay attention.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:00 AM
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27. You're right. Either that or they come up with all kinds of lame excuses
why comparisons shouldn't be made. It's almost like they're saying, "Don't wake up and realize the similarities, because something terrible will happen if you do." Of course those people will sing a different tune when it's too late, but nobody outside the cell will hear it.
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