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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:50 PM
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Good time to repost this: "They Thought They Were Free"
I've been posting this here every once in awhile for the past 5+ years that I've been on DU. I can't think of a more apt time than now to post it again...

They Thought They Were Free

by Milton Mayer

~~~The discrepancy between the kind of society many Germans thought they were building and the reality of the horror of the Third Reich presents one of the most intriguing questions of our age. "How could it -- the Holocaust -- have happened in a modern, industrialized, educated nation ?"~~~

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security.

<snip>

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice - "Resist the beginnings" and "consider the end." But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have changed here before they went as far as they did; they didn't, but they might have. And everyone counts on that might.

<snip>

"Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.

<snip>

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end?"



Do go to the link and read some more...

sw


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:51 PM
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1.  collective psychosis is destroying us
And Americans are not immune....we are not somehow superior to others that we can't be the very means of our own destruction.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:07 PM
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6. Too true. That's exactly what is happening. (nt)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:19 PM
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8. and we'll be told how we're overreacting and how America will snap
back..that it always does


But you know, that's exactly why America is voting to legalize torture and shred due process right now...pretending that the character and nature of a country isn't changed by outrages such as those happening right now does nothing more than to preserve the lie. It feeds the illusion that the system isn't broken and that somehow, the exact same system that is corrupt and broken can be used to fix itself.

But consider all the ideals and principles the American system of government is supposed to be based on...if such a system were not broken, would this be happening right now?

America never just snaps back from outrages....myths and distortions are used to justify and rationalize the outrages so the well nurtured illusion that America is somehow better than other countries can be maintained. That America is the liberty and justice for all country.

The system is sick and in need of a cure.

That America is voting to legalize torture,eradicate due process and to give war criminals immunity is proof of that. And America didn't just get sick when Bush was selected...she was sick well before that.







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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:55 AM
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10. Unfortunately many in America think we are superior to others
And that what happens/happened elsewhere can't happen here.

But they are quite wrong.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:02 AM
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11. Too true
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:22 PM
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13. More often than not it DOES happen
The odds are certainly against us.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:54 PM
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2. k&r

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:04 PM
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4. Thank you, SR -- helluva graphic...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:59 PM
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3. "It can't happen here."
Besides, the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal are watching ... so we don't have to. Right? Party one, dudes!

:puke:

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:06 PM
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5. Ouch! (nt)
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:08 PM
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7. "one must foresee the end "--Those that do are called conspiracy theorists
and given a little tin foil for their trouble.

:tinfoilhat:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:53 PM
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9. Happy to be the 5th K&R!
Good post, good timing! :hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:48 AM
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12. Thank you!
:hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:41 PM
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14. Oh, what the hell -- I'm kicking this up...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:43 PM
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15. It should be kicked and kicked some more
until people read it and really understand what it says...until they understand it applies to them too...and it always had applied to them.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:58 PM
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17. Thanks again. It's too late, of course. The downward slide is reality.
I was still hoping the Senate vote would be delayed another day -- giving us one more day to make our voices heard.

But, it's done, it's over. America is over...

sw
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:09 PM
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19. It's still worth kicking - people must wake up
It did happen here.
America is not special
America is not different
Nothing sets America a part
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:35 PM
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21. I really appreciate your righteous passion.
But the fact is, I have no faith in people "waking up". They're not going to -- not in enough numbers to make a difference. The U.S. is irretrievably fucked up.

Look around you, we are surrounded by millions of fellow citizens who aren't even the slightest bit aware that this "torture bill" debate has even been happening. It's so far off their radar, it may as well be happening in a different galaxy.

I see absolutely NO hope for this country. There's only the inevitable devolution into further barbarity. The only "hope" (if you can call it that) I have is that the Earth herself will eventually make all politics irrelevant, as envronmental collapse eventually renders it uninhabitable for much of the human species. (unfortunately, for lots of other species as well)

sw
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:38 PM
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22. Check your PM's pretty please
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:25 PM
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23. Done. Check your inbox. (nt)
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:43 PM
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16. Thanks for kicking it for me
I haven't seen you post it for a while, but boy, does it apply.

Thanks.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:11 PM
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20. You're welcome. Yeah, it DOES apply, doesn't it?
Many thanks for your reply.

(another sneaky kick)

sw
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:08 PM
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18. K&R
:kick:
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