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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:09 PM
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China selling organs from prisoners
Organ sales 'thriving' in China

The sale of organs taken from executed prisoners appears to be thriving in China, an undercover investigation by the BBC has found. Organs from death row inmates are sold to foreigners who need transplants. One hospital said it could provide a liver at a cost of £50,000 ($94,400), with the chief surgeon confirming an executed prisoner could be the donor. China's health ministry did not deny the practice, but said it was reviewing the system and regulations.

'Present to society'

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes visited No 1 Central Hospital in Tianjin, ostensibly seeking a liver for his sick father. Officials there told him that a matching liver could be available in three weeks.

One official said that the prisoners volunteered to give their organs as a "present to society". He said there was currently an organ surplus because of an increase in executions ahead of the 1 October National Day. China executes more prisoners than any other country in the world. In 2005, at least 1,770 people were executed, although true figures were believed to be much higher, a report by human rights group Amnesty International said.

In March, China's foreign ministry admitted that organs from prisoners were used, but said that it was only in "a very few cases". Spokesman Qin Gang said that the organs were not taken forcibly, but only with the express permission of the convict. But whether prisoners really are free to make up their own minds on organ donation just before they are executed is not at all clear, our correspondent says. In April 2006, top British transplant surgeons condemned the practice as unacceptable and a breach of human rights. But the No 1 Central Hospital carried out 600 liver transplants last year, our correspondent says, and the organ transplant industry has become big business.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5386720.stm
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:12 PM
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1. Exporting CAPITALISM All Over the World, Baby!
Hey, there's a MARKET for this.

"Let the market decide" - a Freeper mantra.

Why you present this like this is bad? Why you hate McFreedom? Why you hate America?
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:14 PM
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2. Falun Dafa...
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 07:16 PM by nam78_two
unspeakable....
The lady who disrupted Hu Jintao's visit to the WH said that is what happens to members of the Falun Dafa/various other Buddhist and Christian sects too.
And I have seen websites dedicated to that.

Can't say truthfully if I know how valid the claims are though :shrug:-this lends the claims some more credibility though.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:36 PM
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3. Epoch has been carrying lots of articles, the reporter arrested at the WH
is one of their reporters. It's biased towards the Falun Gong in those stories but is published all over the world, and I can get hard copies here in Portland. It's only 16 pages once a week, but 8 pages are international news, some off the wires and some by their staff. 8 pages are west coast local.

Anyway, they have an archive of stories on the organ thefts here
http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:41 PM
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4. Welcome to Larry Niven's Organ Banks... n/t
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:49 PM
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5. yep, another SF prediction come true
I was hoping we would bypass this and get to the growing of organs directly (Niven also predicted this) but with the stem cell crackdown maybe not...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:51 PM
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6. When former communists go to being capitalists, they do it with a
...vengence! What body parts could the U.S. harvest from prison inmates here in this country?
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:54 PM
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7. the only problem I have is affordability
Only the rich will be able to afford these organs.

But as far as the donation of them,

If the following is true:

1) The prisoners were going to be executed and the organs would have gone to waste anyway

2) And rather than have their healthy organs rot, the prisoners volunteer to have them removed as paying a debt to society

I don't see a problem with it.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:02 PM
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8. the part where it's NOT volunteer!
Well, the Chinese authorities say it is, but the prisoners disagree.

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