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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:25 PM
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Have your family and friends begun to ...
wake up to the lies of bushco. I have noticed that people who never were interested in politics have begun to wonder what is going on and are asking questions. I believe it is because they have been hit in the pocket book among other things.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:27 PM
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1. Not really.
Those who are real Americans have long been disgusted with Shrub.

Those who are repukes have kept their blinders on... there was no Prescott Bush, according to them. Denial of reality is a requirement for support of the POS.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:58 PM
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8. Some think that their money will protect them...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:12 PM
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40. absolutely- most people are scared to death..
For some unknown reason, I am surrounded by Republicans..
Is that a depressing thought or what?

When you mention the latest upgrades/downgrades in the form of presidential signings,
they start sucking their cheeks inward..you know the gaunt look..The most bizarre thing
I've ever seen. You're talking to them, trying to convey the jeopardy we're in..and
the next signal you get amounts to 'sign language' because their ears are shutting down..

It must be some type of autonomous defense mechanism kicking in..When they get to that point,
I just start laughing at their peculiar looking faces..and sort of look them in the eye as they
read my lips (did I just say that?) and mouthe..."you don't want to hear it, do you?" Silently,
they nod their heads in approval with eyes begging me to STOP!

I've had a day full of them today. Just thought I'd share a little with ya'll..
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:38 PM
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46. Has anything changed ...
in their lives because of Bushcos's policies.
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:28 PM
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2. I have noticed that I rarely see any * stickers anymore n/t
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:33 PM
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5. I see them quite often, in the oddest places
Saw a car with a bunch of BushCo stickers and a few Christian ones (Jesus is watching, what will you say an Judgement day) parked outside a porn store. One that rents.

Saw a car with a BushCo sticker and a bunch of the standard RW Christian crap (Got Jesus?, Terri was Murdered, Marriage = (man) + (woman), etc) parked illegally in a non-existant space at McDonalds...

And I see plenty of those stupid circle W04 stickers at liquor stores.


Interestingly enough, I never see these stickers near the military recruiters' offices....
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:25 PM
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17. heh heh good observations.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:29 PM
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3. My wife and my mother in law and I
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 01:04 PM by BOSSHOG
are dyed in the wool democrats (as was my father in law prior to his death two years ago.) We had bush pegged before the 2000 election. I have a few neanderthal brothers-in-law who aren't as loud as they used to be. Especially the one who's son is a junior in high school. The son was tucked away safely in the 8th grade when the war began and daddy was rah-rah-rahing.

Based on the letters to the editor in the New Orleans and Gulfport papers its just about a draw. The fucking morons too proud to admit they are wrong getting their ltte's handed to them by angry liberal letter writers sick and tired of "conservative" shit.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:01 PM
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9. His son will be the right age when they finally admit
that they will start the draft. Those generals who testified this week were saying they need 60 thousand soldiers but they really need more, this is only the beginning.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:32 PM
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4. My family never liked * .
...except for my idiot sister-in-law, and I don't talk to her anyway.

My mom says such nasty things about * over the phone that I'm sure it has the NSA spinning to keep up with it all. If she and I aren't on a watch list I'd be surprised.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:33 PM
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18. Mom and I make...
a big point of yelling "Fuck Bush!" into the phone as often as possible when we talk to each other.

It's loads of fun. :D Especially if you think someone is listening.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:34 PM
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6. The sycophantic part of my family
either still loves Bush, or is kind of annoyed by him but is still defensive.

"The Democrats wouldn't be any better", or "Well, 9/11 wasn't his fault"
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:02 PM
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10. any excuse ,,,
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:06 PM
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12. Please share with them
a line I use that pisses off "conservatives" off so much they go blind when I say it:

If Clinton, Kerry or Gore had been president on 9-11, there would not have been a terrorist attack because those men did not need a terrorist attack.

Guaranteed to piss off any member of the universe who is not intellectually curious.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:10 PM
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14. I would if they were at my house
but since I'm thier guest in most cases, I don't want to go that far.

I have pulled that line on conservatives in bars and shit, though.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:03 PM
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44. Yep I hear those statements a lot.
Even some dems I know say things like "there was nothing Bush could've done about 9/11 so there's no point in trying to blame him" and "there's nothing the Democrats would've done differently" :banghead:

And the backwash all believe Fox is fair and balanced, and CNN is a 'leftist' channel so you can't believe anything you hear on THAT network.
They refuse to believe ANYTHING that doesn't come off of Fox. Therefore, in their minds, Iraq is loving their new freedom, Afghanistan is going swimmingly, the economy couldn't be better, we are safer now than before 9/11 and Bush is a great president. :puke:
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:34 PM
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7. That would be a big "no." Bush is just misunderstood - and
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 12:35 PM by leftyladyfrommo
people just aren't giving him a chance.

People just don't want to ever admit they were wrong - about Bush and about Clinton.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:39 PM
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21. it's called denial
and ignorance.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:34 AM
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45. I think it may just be pigheadedness. n/t
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:04 PM
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11. I got in my husband's car the other day and he had the
radio tuned to Air America. He usually has FM music on, so I was happily surprised.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:40 PM
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22. tell your husband welcome to the light!!!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:40 PM
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23. tell your husband welcome to the light!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:34 PM
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28. Is he a conservative...
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:23 PM
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34. Not terribly so, and less so all the time...he detests *, for sure. nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:07 PM
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13. Friend of mine the other day
asked me why they haven't impeached him yet? I just shook my head. Told him he should vote this time for a change.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:33 PM
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27. Did he vote for him in both elections?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:52 PM
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31. he doesn't vote period
N/T
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:54 PM
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33. Is he thinking about it now...
or is he one of the unconcerned and don't give a damns.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:52 PM
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37. He should be concerned
he has two draft age kids.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:17 PM
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15. some acquaintances have, some not
some have turned, some still going on fear "whenever I see someone with one of those things on their head I am afraid", "they are coming here now to hurt us" (why the hell vote to keep these bozos in power then? "because they are keeping safe" HOW are they keeping us safe if more people want to hurt us now? "another 9/11 attack hasn't happened" ARGH!!!)
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:24 PM
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16. Ugh, no
Since you asked I guess this is as good as any to share what I am dealing with. My bush*bot MIL just moved back to Portland with her ailing rapture-ready mother. Up till recently I've dealt with the self-loathing republicanism of MIL by keeping my distance. But Grandma had a little turn and now needs assistance, so now I come here everyday :crazy:

I don't see MIL much, but besides being religiously insane, grandma listens to all of the "religious" shows that are pimping the upcoming war on Iran and just in general spew hate and fear. Now on a daily basis I get to hear all of the gop talking points as they are chewed, swallowed, and puked up by Grandma via her watching faux newz & the christian taliban stations. :crazy:



MASHED POTATOS??!!
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:20 PM
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26. V-chip
My mom was doing the same thing. Then I saw a commercial for the V-chip.Mom,not being tech-savvy in the least,still hasn't figured it out.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:47 PM
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30. That wouldn't be right, I couldn't do that
I do stream AAR on the computer in the front room, though! It helps me get through the day.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:57 PM
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38. Sure it would. Helping a person return to sanity is more than right.
Why, it's downright patriotic! ;) ;) ;)
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:33 PM
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36. aaack? But what about the mashed potatoes? nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:14 PM
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42. Little Richard's Geico comercial...
Jon Stewert used that a clip of Lil Richard saying that line next to bush* with LR acting as a translater. I used it to also bring to mind the other line from that ad & sketch: Help me. Somebody help me.

I'm sure that there is a clip of Stewert's bit on youtube :hi:
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:39 PM
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43. I gotcha...thanks! :)
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:34 PM
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19. I don't know
I've washed my hands of them years ago, at this point in time if they can't see reality, then I certainly don't want to be around them. I haven't gotten any gee I guess you were right calls, so it doesn't look like anyone has reformed.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:36 PM
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20. that will probably be the only way to get people awake
when they realize they do not have money to live the standard of life that they were used to.

Our bellies are too full now and until something changes drastically to all of us that is when we will ACT. unfortunately.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:53 PM
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32. Some will realize it later when its to late...
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:50 PM
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24. My hardcore Rep. brother has "tuned out" everything.
He used to be a political junkie and now watches NOTHING and doesn't want to even discuss politics. I think he's having some serious cognitive dissonance.

I know better than to expect that he won't go out and vote Republican becasue he's a follower and follows the rest of my family who is rock-solid Republican.

I don't even bother telling him anything becuase it just drives him further into his position - he thinks I'm a hard core radical. I only hope that someone else can get him to wake up.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:14 PM
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25. I still see the "W" stickers but..
there's a lady in my town who has had two signs on her front lawn supporting Bush and the War (they said something like "We stand united with President Bush and our troops") for three years.She's had them knocked down frequently and they've been stolen before but she just makes new ones, so I didn't think too much of it when I didn't see them a couple weeks ago. Then I noticed that they still aren't up. I saw her in the gas station two days ago and I casually said "I see someone took your signs again". She just looked at me and said "No, I took them down" but she didn't say anymore than that and I didn't push-I'm hopeful though.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:38 PM
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29. sadly, no
n/t
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:25 PM
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35. Nope...
My mother still thinks bush is a gawd fearing christian man. I don't think she'd consider him any less than that even if his head was shaved and she was shown the tattooed 666.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:40 PM
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48. I can not see how that she still believes that ..
he is doing the work of the Lord, does she read her bible.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:59 PM
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39. My DENTIST.. and the girls in the office are asking me
"Why don't I know anything about this?" They are hanging on my every word. People are DESPERATE for information.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:45 PM
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49. And the more that hear what is going on the better...
it is getting close to November and we don't know yet what will be the October surprise. I try to get out the information the best I can and the best way is in casual conversations, bringing up something that will affect them in their personal lives.
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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:19 PM
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41. Nope
and I don't expect it either.

I have a theory bout them though. They are all "one reason" Bush followers.
They still hold their head high and proclaim their loyalty cause of the "one reason" He got tough on terrorism, made a move after 9/11.

Personally, I think ANY sitting Prez would have had to make some kind of move...but no....only the cowboy would/did.

So, they ignore Iraq, kids getting strip searched in schools, the major lie about the economy, etc. urrrrrrrghhh.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:40 PM
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47. everybody i deal with routinely, even the republicans, hate his ass...
:thumbsdown:
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