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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:32 AM
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"Dr. Clinton gave the Democratic Party a spinal transplant.."
Paul Begala quote from a morning show with Meredith Viera. He was on the show with James Carville. Carville was absolutely giddy about what Clinton had done. He said people were stopping him at the airports for him to tell President Clinton how proud they were that he stood up to these people.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:33 AM
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1. Dr. Howard Dean did it first
while Bubba was making nice with the Bush Klan.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:35 AM
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4. If you're lying in the desert dying from thirst....
don't criticize the man that brings you water.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:37 AM
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6. I agree with that, but it didn't take. It soon went away. Clinton is
different. He IS an ex-president, very popular with the American public. Hope this spinal transplant will hold up. I think maybe it will.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:37 AM
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8. Dean & Clinton are 2 of our very few FIGHTERS...so far...but it's catching
on. Hillary has also been a rare Democratic fighter in the past when it comes to putting the rightwing assholes in their places.

As of late, Dean and Clinton have the attitude it takes to beat the neocon repukian fuckers. Let's hope that FIGHTING BACK AND TAKING THE OFFENSE is going to be a major part of our theme from now on.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:48 AM
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15. let us not forget JIMMY CARTER. Mr. JIMMY has been speaking out
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 09:48 AM by flordehinojos
for quite a while now!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:05 AM
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22. Tora Bora failures was the first PUBLIC attack on Bush post 9-11.
And that was Kerry, doing so for the first six months of 2002, pretty much on his own . Some Dems even sided with Bush OVER Kerry on that FIRST important dispute.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:34 AM
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2. So did Carville explain why Clinton WAITED FIVE YEARS and left all of us
working to smack down the lies against him for that entire time without him speaking up publically?

Why didn't Carville advise Clinton to speak out publically and answer the charges being made against him BEFORE the 2002 election?
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:46 AM
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12. i think this is a poor sorry excuse as to why clinton might have waited
five years before speaking out--but i think there is code of conduct (?), code of (ethics?), maybe even a, code of cover up your successor's ass (?), whereby presidents are not supposed to criticize one another?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:49 AM
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16. If it's not encoded in the law and your nation is going down
the proverbial toilet, then you speak out. I don't care if J.H.Christ is the current occupant of the office. You don't stand by and contribute to suffering and needless death and destruction.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:56 AM
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19. i absolutely agree with you.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:49 AM
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17. a FIVE YEAR waiting period? Even after Rove put out the trashed WH story?
There should have been no 5yr grace period after that Clinton trashed the WH story.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:00 AM
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21. there should have no grace period of even a minute after all, clinton knew
and knows that the bush stole the white house from al gore. (but he may have felt bound by the unwritten, unspoken code between presidents)...i am not excusing him and i don't understand what his chummy-chummy, pal-pal, thing is with old man bush...he tried to destroy him once, and as arianna huffington says in a post i read yesterday, the old man will try to destroy him again as soon as he sees conveniently fit to do so... and wasn't that fox interview one way of hitting on clinton again? yes it was!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:35 AM
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3. Clinton came late to that. Other Democrats had done it before
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 09:36 AM by Mass
including Dean, Conyers, Feingold, Kerry, Clark, and others I probably forget.

But happy if he has seen the light!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:36 AM
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5. AGREED!!! Now WE have got to keep it going!!
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:37 AM
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7. Here's the link to the Today Show video w/ Carville and Begala:
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 09:50 AM by Heidi
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:39 AM
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9. Begala & Carville got religion suddenly after contributing
to the sellout Dem candidates and politicians outside of the Clinton camp during some really hard years? I used to look forward to their appearances, but I really am sick of them at this point and want them to get off the stage and make way for some more committed people with new ideas. They can be joined by Brazile, that Hillary whatserface that's on Hardball all the time, and a few others. I want Dems out there who engage in straight talk.\, willing to go on the offensive, and aren't worried about hurting people's feelings.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:41 AM
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10. We still need them to accept the truths...
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 09:41 AM by kentuck
many of us have known for a long time. This should unite the Party - not divide it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:45 AM
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11. "I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq"
No spine:

Clinton defends successor's push for war

Says Bush 'couldn't responsibly ignore' chance Iraq had WMDs

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 Posted: 7:55 AM EDT (1155 GMT)

(CNN) -- Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

more...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html


Spine:

And the truth is that George Bush has made America weaker by overextending the armed forces of the United States, overstraining, overstraining our reserves, driving away our allies and running the most arrogant, reckless, inept and ideological foreign policy in the modern history of our country.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/03/se.13.html


If the president would move in this direction, if he would bring in more help from other countries to provide resources and to train the Iraqis to provide their own security and to develop a reconstruction plan that brings real benefits to the Iraqi people, and take the steps necessary to hold elections next year, if all of that happened, we could begin to withdraw U.S. forces starting next summer and realistically aim to bring our troops home within the next four years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35515-2004Sep20?language=printer


Oct. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry accused President George W. Bush of committing a ``colossal error of judgment'' by invading Iraq, putting Bush on the defensive from the start of their first debate.

Snip...

Oct. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry accused President George W. Bush of committing a ``colossal error of judgment'' by invading Iraq, putting Bush on the defensive from the start of their first debate.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aXmPtjOlEzvg&refer=home


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:47 AM
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14. So, he did have the key?
His support was the needed ingredient to unite our Party against the Bush regime?
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:50 AM
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18. Thank You... I wish people would stop kissing his ass !!
and stop giving him a BJ... just for standing up for HIMSELF... not really for us.... He defended HIS RECORD!!!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:47 AM
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13.  I thought I couldn't stand Katie and I can't but Meredith Viera.........
:grr: She isn't any better! :argh:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:57 AM
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20. Good to see Clinton at long last grow a pair
but as far as I am concerned Carville and Begala jumped the shark long ago. The Carville/Matalin freak show on MTP is way beyond nauseating, and Begala lost me when he spent half an hour on crossfire giving fake macho man Ted Nugent a blow job ("I'm a hunter too Ted pant pant"), not to mention the snide remarks about Dean, the treatment of McKinney, and his defense of Bush and Rove. These people are not our allies, folks, they are self promoting, inside the beltway poseurs more interested in rubbing elbows at A-list cocktail parties than electing Dems. Fuck both of 'em.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:06 AM
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23. Clinton has for too long tried to compromise with
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 10:11 AM by Downtown Hound
the right, even when he was president. I think the Faux interview finally proved to him that the right will never like him and will always stab him in the back. But hey, better late than never. Welcome to the war Bill.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:15 PM
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24. Yeah - but it would have helped if he noticed this BEFORE 2002 and 2004
elections, and got off his silent kick back then. The only thing he WASN'T silent about then was his SUPPORT for Bush's leadership. grrrrrr.....
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