On Condi's latest lie about Clinton...what was the Delenda Plan then?

[maddezmom]

Clinton did not leave plans to fight al Qaeda: Rice

Clinton said he had "battle plans" drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban and launch a full-scale search for bin Laden.

But Rice, who was national security advisor at the time of the September 11 attacks, strongly disagreed with Clinton's version of events during an interview on Monday with the New York Post.

"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," Rice said in a transcript of her comments released by the State Department.

"For instance, big pieces were missing, like an approach to Pakistan that might work, because without Pakistan you weren't going to get Afghanistan," Rice said.

Asked whether she thought Clinton was a liar, Rice replied: "No, I'm just saying that, look, there was a lot of passion in that interview."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2530161&mesg_id=2530161

Bush Administration's First Memo
on al-Qaeda Declassified January 25, 2001 Richard Clarke Memo:
"We urgently need . . . a Principals level
review on the al Qida network."

Document Central to Clarke-Rice Dispute on Bush Terrorism Policy Pre-9/11

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 147

Edited by Barbara Elias

February 10, 2005





Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, January 25, 2001, memo from counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice - the first terrorism strategy paper of the Bush administration. The document was central to debates in the 9/11 hearings over the Bush administration's policies and actions on terrorism before September 11, 2001. Clarke's memo requests an immediate meeting of the National Security Council's Principals Committee to discuss broad strategies for combating al-Qaeda by giving counterterrorism aid to the Northern Alliance and Uzbekistan, expanding the counterterrorism budget and responding to the U.S.S. Cole attack. Despite Clarke's request, there was no Principals Committee meeting on al-Qaeda until September 4, 2001.

The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration."

Two days after Rice's March 22 op-ed, Clarke told the 9/11 Commission, "there's a lot of debate about whether it's a plan or a strategy or a series of options -- but all of the things we recommended back in January were those things on the table in September. They were done. They were done after September 11th. They were all done. I didn't really understand why they couldn't have been done in February."

Also attached to the original Clarke memo are two Clinton-era documents relating to al-Qaeda. The first, "Tab A December 2000 Paper: Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects," was released to the National Security Archive along with the Clarke memo. "Tab B, September 1998 Paper: Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," also known as the Delenda Plan, was attached to the original memo, but was not released to the Archive and remains under request with the National Security Council.

Below are additional references to the January 25, 2001, memo from congressional debates and the 9/11 Commission testimonies of Richard Clarke and Condoleezza Rice.


MORE:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

[Heidi]

1. Recommended, and

for the backstory:

Part 1 8:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAnuqicla4I

Part 2 7:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErrdLvWjm8o

Rice's lies in response to Clinton's assertions in his interview with Chris "You may have heard of my dad" Wallace: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2530161

[maddezmom]

2. Thanks for the kick

and the vids. :hi:

They won't release the plan so they can continue to deny it existed.

[maddezmom]

4. This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner Fox News Net

This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner Fox News Network, LLC because its content was used without permission

on both!!! WOW, is FOX really in the process of a Bush coverup?

[Heidi]

5. Clinton interview at Google video:

Part I: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-649761639290777197&q=Clinton+Fox
Part II: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6620818158935418334&q=Clinton+Fox

:D

[maddezmom]

8. ah, I was thinking it was a video of Condi or Clarke

:D

[EFerrari]

3. I guess Team Bush needed time to come up with a plan

to "approach Pakistan" by threatening to bomb the hell out of it. Much exquisite deliberation went into that "plan".

lol

[FloridaPat]

6. * had an invasion plan in April or May of 2001. There is only

one place he could have gotten it from - Clinton. Because * did nothing but wine and dine the Taliban before then

[maddezmom]

7. more about the Delenda Plan

~snip~

August 27, 1998: Delenda Plan to Combat al-Qaeda Is Prepared Following the cruise missile attack on al-Qaeda targets on August 20 (see August 20, 1998), immediate plans are made for follow up attacks to make sure bin Laden is killed. However, on this day, Defense Secretary William Cohen is advised that available targets are not promising. Some question the use of expensive missiles to hit very primitive training camps, and there is the concern that if bin Laden is not killed, his stature will only grow further. As discussions continue, counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke prepares a plan he calls “Delenda,” which means “to destroy” in Latin. His idea is to have regular, small strikes in Afghanistan whenever the intelligence warrants it. The plan is rejected. Counterterrorism officials in the Defense Secretary’s office independently create a similar plan, but it too is rejected. <9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004> The Delenda Plan also calls for diplomacy against the Taliban, covert action focused in Afghanistan, and financial measures to freeze bin Laden-related funds. These aspects are not formally adopted, but they guide future efforts. <9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004>
Entity Tags: Osama bin Laden, William S. Cohen, Military Industrial Corporation, Richard A. Clarke, al-Qaeda, Taliban


January 25, 2001: Clarke Presents Plan to Roll Back al-Qaeda, but Response Is Delayed Richard Clarke.

Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke submits a proposal to National Security Adviser Rice and “urgently” asks for a Cabinet-level meeting on the al-Qaeda threat. He forwards his December 2000 strategy paper and a copy of his 1998 “Delenda Plan” (see August 27, 1998). He lays out a proposed agenda for urgent action:

Approve covert assistance to Ahmed Shah Massoud’s Northern Alliance fighting the Taliban. <9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004>
Significantly increase funding for CIA counterterrorism activity. <9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004>
Respond to the USS Cole bombing with an attack on al-Qaeda. (The link between al-Qaeda and that bombing had been assumed for months and is confirmed in the media two days later.) According to the Washington Post, “Clarke argue that the camps can’t-miss targets, and they . The facilities to conveyor belts for al-Qaeda’s human capital, with raw recruits arriving and trained fighters departing either for front lines against the Northern Alliance, the Afghan rebel coalition, or against American interests somewhere else. The US government had whole libraries of images filmed over Tarnak Qila and its sister camp, Garmabat Ghar, 19 miles farther west. Why watch al-Qaeda train several thousand men a year and then chase them around the world when they left?” No retaliation is taken on these camps until after 9/11.

more: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a082798delenda

[Sleepless In NY]

9. K&R Also Curious about the Hart/Rudman Report

that was given to bush in January 2001, that he never acted on. Or why Bush didn't follow up on the USS COLE & gave 43 million dollars to the Taliban in Afghanistan in April 2001. Lots of questions about bush's non action, especially his attitude toward Richard Clarke. Or bush's stonewalling of the 9/11 families repeated calls for an Investigation. Lots of questions, no answers from bush. Hope the dems start asking & soon, this would really show who was weak on terror, if they did.

[EFerrari]

10. Richard Clarke pre-empted this last mendacity of Rice's:

"there's a lot of debate about whether it's a plan or a strategy or a series of options -- but all of the things we recommended back in January were those things on the table in September."

If you think back to their respective testimonies before the 9/11 commission, the comparison is shocking. One a public servant taking responsibility; one, a Bush sycophant writhing under scrutiny.

BushCo was *so* on top of the al Qaida threat that they hired a Sovietologist / oil executive to handle the problem. :eyes:

[Mojorabbit]

11. She all but called Clinton a liar in her reply

(Rice) while not saying it directly. It could get really ugly if there is a public battle between two presidents. A shame this country has come to this.

[Goat or Panic]

12. This too from Time

"Other senior officials from both the Clinton and Bush administrations, however, say that Clarke had a set of proposals to "roll back" al-Qaeda. In fact, the heading on Slide 14 of the Powerpoint presentation reads, "Response to al Qaeda: Roll back." Clarke's proposals called for the "breakup" of al-Qaeda cells and the arrest of their personnel. The financial support for its terrorist activities would be systematically attacked, its assets frozen, its funding from fake charities stopped. Nations where al-Qaeda was causing trouble—Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Yemen—would be given aid to fight the terrorists. Most important, Clarke wanted to see a dramatic increase in covert action in Afghanistan to "eliminate the sanctuary" where al-Qaeda had its terrorist training camps and bin Laden was being protected by the radical Islamic Taliban regime. "


http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html

[maddezmom]

32. thanks for the link

[Poiuyt]

13. Kick

[maddezmom]

14. Link to New York Post: RICE BOILS OVER AT BUBBA

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday accused Bill Clinton of making "flatly false" claims that the Bush administration didn't lift a finger to stop terrorism before the 9/11 attacks.
Rice hammered Clinton, who leveled his charges in a contentious weekend interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News Channel, for his claims that the Bush administration "did not try" to kill Osama bin Laden in the eight months they controlled the White House before the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false - and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," Rice said during a wide-ranging meeting with Post editors and reporters.

"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice added.

more: if you can stomach it
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/rice_boils_over_at_bubba_nationalnews_ian_bishop____________post_correspondent.htm

[maddezmom]

15. and the front page

:eyes:

[opihimoimoi]

16. CYA Time: They cannot admit for fear of being remiss, deriliction of duty,

incompetent, of being obstinate and VAIN.

This Bush Team wanted to SHINE BRIGHTER than Clinton.

Anything Clinton wanted or proposed...the Bush Boys rejected as the other guys plan. Meaning, THEY ... wanted to Score the Touchdown;

earn the Cheers, the Credit, for any success....NOT SHARE IT WITH THE CLINTONS should those left behind plans bear good fruit. Them Bush Dudes wanted to be the story tellers at the Campfire...

So, instead of listening to the plans re Osama....they just iugnored it cause of the connections/origin to Clinton....A VAIN MOVE.

We have a Vain Prez and 9/11 happened because his(Bush) Vanity got in the way....He couldn't accept the Hart Rudman Report because of Vanity/// "We can do Better"

[July]

25. We knew this would be their M.O. as soon as the "Clintons trashed the WH"

stories were put out to the media. A pure fiction (later investigated two or three times) meant to do what you're describing: make Bush "shine brighter."

Anyone who hadn't figured them out during the 2000 campaign and its aftermath should have realized what the Bush team was really about as soon as it floated this story about the outgoing First Family. Vain, indeed.

[opihimoimoi]

17. Did the Bush guys have any kind of meetings re Osama besides the

Warning in the 8/6/01 ranch meeting.?

[July]

27. AFAIK, no.

Bush gave Cheney responsibility for a terrorism task force in May 2001. IT NEVER MET before 9/11 (energy task force did, though). I believe that Ashcroft presented a DOJ budget that drastically cut funding for terrorism-related work THE DAY BEFORE 9/11. As for Condi, I'm not sure what her role was, but I believe it was to stick her thumb up her ass and frown.

[leveymg]

40. There were the 8 pre-9/11 meetings Tenet "forgot"

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0406/S00098.htm

TENET LIED UNDER OATH TO 9/11 COMMISSION ABOUT 8/24/01 MEETING WITH PRESIDENT - AGENCY COMPOUNDS MISREPRESENTATION

* CIA Statement Omits Key Date From List of Bush-DCI Meetings in Weeks Before 9/11
* What Did Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers Talk About in Crawford, TX Three Weeks Before the Attacks - One Day After the Flt. 77 Hijackers Were Watchlisted by the CIA?
From Mark G. Levy

Washington, DC, June 7, 2004 - Former CIA Director George Tenet committed perjury in his April 14 testimony before the 9/11 Commission when he claimed he had not met with President Bush in the month before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. That misrepresentation in Tenet's testimony was noted within hours by Agence France-Presse.

The following day, AP reported the CIA issued what was described as a correction after the Director "misspoke." The Agency asserted that its records showed Tenet meeting with Bush on August 17 and 31, and then on at least six occasions in September prior to Tuesday, the 11th.

However, that CIA announcement omits mention of the visit that then DCI Tenet apparently made to the President's Crawford, Texas ranch on August 24. The White House website on August 25 quotes a remark made by George W. Bush that he met with Tenet the previous day.

In a verbatim transcript, the President is quoted during an impromptu walking tour of Bush's Crawford, TX ranch that he had met the day before with CIA Director and newly appointed members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and National Security Advisor Rice were also present at a Presidential press conference in Crawford on the 24th, according to the White House press notice issued that day. In the August 25 transcript, the President Bush states to reporters and visitors:

SNIP

[annabanana]

28. Too bad for her the 9/11 Commission was televised...

She was exposed as a liar of the first water by Boxer during that. I'm surprised that she even MENTIONED the Commission when it comes right down to it. She did not come off well in that forum.

[maddezmom]

29. nice recap of her testimony @ American Progress

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=44767

[leveymg]

41. That site is an excellent resource

Amazing the amount of info on the public record about 9/11 that's been seemingly lost in plain sight.

[barbtries]

43. i can't

stomach it. i can't stand to watch or listen to her lying it's all she does! anymore than i can bear to watch or hear her boss for any extended period. just cannot fucking take it

[H2O Man]

18. Nice job!

Well done. This is something that needs to be sent to news media contacts.

[maddezmom]

35. H2O Man

a favor, if you wouldn't mind. Would you post something to your journal....as you have quite the following here at DU. I know, because, I'm one of them. It might get better attention.

Thanks :hug:

[oasis]

19. Rupert Murdoch's New York Post: the print media version of Fox News.

:puke:

[maddezmom]

20. just turned on Faux and Frauds

this is all they are pushing this am. :puke:

[C_U_L8R]

21. "no one could have imagined"

that our governement would be so pack
with sleazy republican crooks and liars.

This November...vote to send them all to jail.

Enough !

[oasis]

22. Not "traditional" hijackers? Who knew?

:puke:

[malaise]

23. Spin Condi spin

When people lie as often as Bush and his goons they are unable to keep up and evenutally get caught.
I've taken out the popcorn to watch these fuggers unravel. They sure are on the defensive. :popcorn: :rofl:

[WinkyDink]

24. So she's ADMITTING Bushco NEEDED CLINTON'S HELP.

"We weren't left a plan" CONCEDES that Bushco COULD NOT come up with their OWN plan that worked!

NOW it's Clinton's fault that BUSH had no plan!!

[ShortnFiery]

26. I Think Condi hid Clinton's Comprehensive Plan under The Imaginary

"Mushroom Cloud" that served to scare the sh*t out of Americans before the Iraqi Invasion. :thumbsdown:

[sendero]

30. Note the "comprehensive" qualifier..

... which is basically another way of saying "not every I was dotted and not every T was crossed so we didn't know what to do".

These losers are so pathetic.

[Poiuyt]

31. Kind of like knowing that bin Laden was determined to strike with

airplanes, but since Condi didn't know the seat assignments, she ignored the threat.

[DemReadingDU]

33. K&R

[jackstraw45]

34. If only the "media" would report this...

But we have no media in this country.

Just a propaganda machine.

[maddezmom]

36. well RawStory has a link up now

pretty similar to mine

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2226319&mesg_id=2226319

[TanyaAK]

37. We can trust Condi!

[ProgressiveEconomist]

38. LINK to a pdf draft of the plan Clarke handed to Condi

on January 25 2001: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20attachment.pdf .

Note this is NOT the 1998 "Delenda plan", but a new December 2000 plan. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2842346&mesg_id=2847907 .

[chat_noir]

39. excellent description how how Condi acts when she's lying

She blinks repetitively while shaking her head back and forth in tiny, swift jerks.

Her voice takes a distinct tone and her consonant syllables become more crisp and salivated.

Her body jitters toward the background as if her mind needs her body to assist in dodging the truth before her.

Oh, and someone, somewhere likely dies or is severely injured as a result.

Funny, when I close my eyes and envision her, I see her blinking and thrashing her head about.

- nowheredesign on Daily Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/9/26/31759/7878/48#c48

[chat_noir]

42. Clinton terror records withheld from 9/11 Commission by Bush admin

Clinton terror records withheld
9/11 commission wants answers from Bush administration

04-02) 04:00 PDT Washington -- The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said Thursday that it was pressing the White House to explain why the Bush administration had blocked thousands of pages of classified foreign policy and counterterrorism documents from former President Bill Clinton's files from being turned over to the panel's investigators.

The White House confirmed Thursday that it had withheld a variety of classified documents from Clinton's files that had been gathered by the National Archives over the last two years in response to document requests from the commission, which is investigating intelligence and law enforcement failures before the attacks.

...

The commission and the White House were reacting Thursday to public complaints from former aides to Clinton, who said they had been surprised to learn in recent months that three-quarters of the nearly 11,000 pages of White House files it was ready to offer the commission had been withheld from the panel by the Bush administration.

The former aides said the files, which are now in the custody of the National Archives, contained highly classified documents about the Clinton administration's efforts against al Qaeda.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/02/MNG405VM1I1.DTL

[Mr_Spock]

44. Condi is a pathological liar

There is a reason I call here Condoliar.