"Jihad" car commercial upsets U.S. Muslims...

[bridgit]

Islam, i'd like to introduce you to Madison Avenue; Madison Ave/Islam, Islam/Madison Ave..."Hi." "Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name..."

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - A car commercial proclaiming a jihad on the U.S. auto market and offering "Fatwa Fridays" with free swords for the kids is offensive and should not be aired, Muslim leaders said on Sunday.

The radio advertisement for the Dennis Mitsubishi car dealership in Columbus, Ohio, has "a whole jihad theme," said Adnan Mirza, director of the Columbus office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"They are planning on launching a jihad on the automotive market and their representatives would be wearing burqas ... ," Mirza said. "They mentioned the pope in there and also about giving rubber swords out to the kiddies -- really just reprehensible-type comments." http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-09-25T133321Z_01_N24224533_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUTOS-JIHAD.xml&src=rss

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[Skittles]

1. I find ad campaign offensive and I am Agnostic

yes INDEED

[bridgit]

3. "free swords for the kids"...

:wtf:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. I still think Jihad Friday was my favorite

Although Rush Limbaugh today was promoting a trip to Club Gitmo to relax from the strain of Jihad.

[Bluebear]

9. Hahaha that Rush Limbaugh is such a card. nt

[bridgit]

18. i think it was 'fatwa friday', but i am sure limbaugh thought it said...

fat_ass friday, so he likely thought further that he actually could have some input on the subject drawing from his extensive experience AS a fat_ass nut-ball on any given friday :thumbsup:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

22. LOL, Yeah he probably thought he could get a great car deal there.

[bridgit]

24. heh-heh, cheers...

:toast:

[Blackthorn]

48. That's the best part.

I want a free sword. Who *doesn't* want a free sword. What is wrong with you people. FREE SWORDS.

[bridgit]

50. never thought of it that way, i mean, how often DO you get a free sword...

:shrug:

[Blackthorn]

54. Not. Often. Enough.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

66. I still like Fatwa Friday the best, but I already have a sword.

[Blackthorn]

87. You can never have too many swords. They're awesome.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. And lacking in humor. n/t

[Skittles]

21. ?

you think it is funny?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

28. I thought it was hilarious

But then again, unlike many here, I don't take myself deadly serious. In the grand scheme of things I realize that I am not that important.

You should try it sometime, makes life a hell of a lot of fun. :toast:

[Skittles]

32. I take blatant stereotyping very seriously

it is garbage

[Freedom_from_Chains]

34. Oh well aint you just so, "above it all" I'm impressed

NOT

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[Freedom_from_Chains]

38. Yeah, you are.

;-)

[Freedom_from_Chains]

2. Doesn't everything upset Muslims these days? n/t

[Bluebear]

4. Tres sensitive of you. nt

[mystique]

5. Jeebus...

I am beginning to feel I am in a Mosque !!!

[Bluebear]

8. Oh are you really now.

Do tell.

[mystique]

10. Well....

Semi-being from that part of the world....Try to figure it out...

[Bluebear]

11. I assume you don't feel that Muslim sensitivities need to be addressed.

[mystique]

12. NO>>>

I don't...they are too strict...far too strict...
They have to learn they are living in 21st cent. and not BC. They have to wake the hell up their fanaticisim...It's hurting them and especially their women too much...

[Bluebear]

13. Taunting them with tasteless car ads is not helpful.

And I could care less about their religion or any for that matter. And fanatics and those who hold women down are contemptable.

Still, pointing out that this commercial was beyond tacky does not equate "being in a mosque".

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[Bluebear]

17. 'get over it and live with it and stop being so freaking sensitive'

"You know, it's a tough life out there...get over it and live with it and stop being so freaking sensitive about it...
Every week there is sojmething for these fanatics to be upset about...I don't give a damn. They don't like the free expression here, hey, go back To wherever supports your strict backward beliefs."

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Very progressive post.

[mystique]

23. U would know...

If u lived that part of the world urself.

BTW, I am not impressed with this "progressive" goodie goodie talks. It only keeps those fanatics down. You are doing nothing but helping them to stay backward. So...please, spare me the "I am soooo goodie, goodie, I is so progressive" craps... Go and live in that part of the world then you'll see how harmful you are....

Thank you.

[Bluebear]

25. "I is so progressive" !?!?!?

No, thank YOU. I've never seen a show like this before.

[mystique]

27. OK !!!!

[blonndee]

35. Wow, the second "love it or leave it" post from you!

I've never, EVER heard a progressive or a Dem say such a thing. How odd.

[Bluebear]

40. She doesn't like the "goodie goodie progressive speeches"

Or something like that.

[mystique]

43. Gee, Bluebear

I am pretty good at pissing off Reps...u sure u r a dem/prog & not a Rep ??? *LOL*

ETA: BTW, plz. try to see the big pic. behind this message: "goodie goodie progressive speeches".

[Bluebear]

46. O yes I am sure I am a dem/prog not a rep, u?

:eyes:

[mystique]

51. rewtre

[Bluebear]

52. This car ad concerns American Muslims.

So what is the point of your question?

[blonndee]

45. Guess not.

I swear... :eyes:

[blonndee]

59. Apparently not, since she seems to believe Islam shoud be wiped out:

mystique (81 posts)

Mon Sep-18-06 08:44 PM
Original message
Here is a question for you guys...

What do you really think of "Islam" ??? Please be honest about it.

Do you believe it is a violent religion and should be wiped out, or do you think it's about peace? Or do you think it's no worse than Christianity or other religions and should be left alone as it is? That it's not our problem how they especially treat their women...

mystique (81 posts)
Mon Sep-18-06 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. .....

Quote:

"Since I'm not a Muslim, I my opinion has no validity."

So, Redstone, would you say we should just leave them to their own brutality because we are not one of them and it isn't our problem?

BTW, I am surprised you know about Zoroastrians. Not many do.

Quote:
"Some here still walk behind their husband and look at them like Mrs Bush does."

Yes, true, Monkeyman, but Mrs Bush does it out of ignorance and free will. Over there, there is no choice. Either you do what is expected or face the brutal consequesnces.

I know, religion has always been played by politicians to gain power, but this is getting too dangerous. And over here, we do have religion whackos, but so far, (not for long, though), our laws are seperated from our biblical beliefs...unlike the other part of the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x88751#88781

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[mystique]

42. Blondee

Were u addressing above post to me ??? If so, please be clear...

[blonndee]

44. What exactly did you not understand? I find your "love it or leave it"

stance very odd. Especially since the OP was about "U.S. Muslims," I'm wondering where exactly you would have them go back...TO?

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[beam me up scottie]

68. Ah-the old "You would hate ni**ers too if you had to live with them" spiel

Heard it before, and it's just as putrid now as it ever was.

And Bluebear IS a good liberal, a good progressive, and not to mention, a good friend.

What's your major malfunction?

I mean, besides ignorance and intolerance?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

14. I think freedom of speech is just a little higher up the totem pole.

Notice: the use of the phrase totem pole in my analogy was not intended, nor should be construed, as to encompass any type of racial, ethic, or any other type of slur against America Indiana's, the original owners of this great country.

I just happen to like the expression.

[Bluebear]

15. Yeah brilliant. nt

[Freedom_from_Chains]

19. Thank you!!!!

[bridgit]

20. welcome to du, mystique...

here's hoping you stick around a time or two :hi: :kick:

[mystique]

26. Thanks B.

and :hi: to you too.

I just hope I don't piss anybody off... LOL

[bridgit]

30. naw, you're doing fine & now for a little Dylan perhaps...

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only.
:toast:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

31. Then you might not want to post anything

As, no matter what it is that you post, it is guaranteed to piss off at least 1 person. :toast:

[mystique]

39. Thanxs B.

And Freedom, I said I hoped I didn't, not that I cared if I did...

[Freedom_from_Chains]

41. That's the spirit. LOL n/t

[LostinVA]

82. Damn -- I hate it when I miss 'em....

[upi402]

29. from Salmon Rushdie to the Pope...

I'm burnt out on Muslims being pissed, and it's not fair to moderates. It's a result of all the head lopper religious fanatics.

It's sad that I've learned to hate;
religious fanatics (all stripes all inclusive)
BushCo
Neocons
P-nacsters
TV News hairdos

I need to heal that or something. Just can't let the Bushler do that to me.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

33. You don't have to hate, that's your choice.

Just see them for what they are.

[bridgit]

36. that sounds right to me, it's a good thing for bush that i do not run...

his little dog & pony show...cause i'd shut it down pronto :thumbsup:

[fujiyama]

49. Sounds like it's in poor taste

and exactly what a sleazy car salesman would do.

[bridgit]

53. that was my thought & as if car salesmen could get a harsher rap...

used or otherwise x(

[Eugene]

55. AP: Ohio Car Dealership Dumps 'Jihad' Ad

Ohio Car Dealership Dumps 'Jihad' Ad

The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 26, 2006; 12:10 AM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A car dealership that planned to air a radio advertisement
calling for "a jihad on the automotive market" issued an apology and promised
not to use the commercial.

Several stations had already rejected the spot from Dennis Mitsubishi, which
boasted that sales representatives wearing burqas _ head-to-toe traditional
dress for Islamic women _ would sell vehicles that can "comfortably seat 12
jihadists in the back."

The dealership received sharp criticism after news reports about the proposed ad,
which was scheduled to run this week but never aired. The Council on American-
Islamic Relations decried it as disrespectful and divisive.

It "was simply an attempt at humor that fell short," dealership President Keith
Dennis said Monday in a prepared statement.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092600008.html

[bridgit]

56. prolly a heads-up call, just seen it on the late edition Countdown too...

and it didn't 'play' right there either x(

[Freedom_from_Chains]

64. Yes, but the question is was there a Fatwa issued against him?

[T Town Jake]

58. Jerry Falwell & Pat Robertson bitching about an ad that they found...

..."offensive" to their Fundy nut-job flocks would be ridiculed no end by DU'ers - and rightly so.

I find it hard to stoke up much outrage over silly ads ridiculing fundamentalists of any religious stripe - which is what this amounts to.

[bridgit]

60. my sense is that you really want to see a proper cat fight, let the ad...

ridicule some regions favorite professional sports, or football franchise to no end :scared:

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[T Town Jake]

63. I agree. BTW, I didn't see deleted post #67 - but it weren't mine.

Just for the record.

[bridgit]

67. i missed #67 too...

:cry:

[blonndee]

76. Ah, just a calling out of the mods for deleting her nasty posts.

I love the smell of pizza in the evening.

[bridgit]

84. oh no, oh my, she was upset about something...

i was about to thank the mods last night for being so, well...moderate :thumbsup: :hi:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

65. Didn't seem to be true about the YellowBook.com ad

where Buddhism was portrayed as being shallow. Where were all you Du's then?

[T Town Jake]

71. I didn't see that, or remember the controversy, to be honest...

...but I don't really see the relevance here. Buddhists are about the most peaceful people on the face of the earth, and don't seem to feel the need to "convert" me to their religion at gun point - unlike some of the folks we're discussing here, Christian AND Muslim.

Help me out here (???).

[T Town Jake]

72. Ah, wait a minute: I actually agree with YOU. That was my point...

...when I first entered this thread. Somehow things have gotten mixed up.

:crazy:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

74. Yeah, and I am a Buddhist, by this boards standards I should

have been all outraged. Except, I though it too was funny.

[T Town Jake]

75. LOL! Sorry about the confusion - I agree with every post you've made in...

...in this thread.

And you're quite right.

My own feeling is this world would be a far better place if folks eased up about supposed "offenses" to their religious beliefs; it's caused a lot of misery over the centuries - and countless lives.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

77. You can say that again, and again, and again, ad infinitum.

[hfojvt]

78. That was zen

this is now.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

79. LOL, Just had to slip that in didn't you? I can only think that,

Shirley, you jest. ;) :toast: :hippie:


:dem:

[orleans]

69. disgraceful commercial. who the hell would buy a car from this

bigoted asshole? (wait! i know--other bigoted assholes i guess)

[bridgit]

70. exactly correct...

x(

[Freedom_from_Chains]

73. Would depend on what the price was. n/t

[neebob]

80. Yikes!

I should think Mitsubishi would have a problem with that.

[bridgit]

85. oh i know...

a stinker from the west, to the middle east, then all the way round to the far east; maybe they were going for universal appeal x(

[PsychoDad]

81. As a Muslim....

When I first heard about the ad I simply shook my head. Yes, I saw the humor, but I also saw where this would create an outcry from the Muslim community.

I can understand why many here don't see why American Muslims would become so prickly. Why should Muslims be so sensitive when there are ads that portray Jews, Indians, and other ethnic groups in a questionably humorous light, and they don't get upset.

Perhaps because currently the United States is not at war with 2 Jewish or Hindu countries. Maybe because Jewish and Christian charities are not regularly raided by the FBI before major holidays, and maybe because Christians and Wiccans among others are not profiled at airports. Maybe because no other religious group is given the pleasure of being deported to secret prisons or Gitmo for torture. (And may Allah Almighty forbid that anyone else will ever have to endure these things)

So, yes, American Muslims on the whole are a little sensitive to this form of stereotyping, even as humor. Perhaps, given a generation of peace and tolerance, we to will be able to laugh with you at what makes us look silly.

Inshallah.

Peace.

[bridgit]

83. Sir, i thank you most graciously for your post here, i myself...

found this little, or more to the point 'small minded' ad campaign; all too indicative of america's seedy commercial underbelly...

so that here this is not, Sir, an attempt on my part to best one view, or moment in time over another please believe me, but rather an acknowledgment that commercialism given it's druthers will in time ignore virtually all of us my friend, while it seeks to stroke the wallet of merely a few;

therefore let us shake our collective head at the sordid fact that within some 3 weeks after the towers came down, the landscape was awash with little plastic american flags wing-nutted to the window frames of cars; $40 cars locked with $60 Clubs, that tattered them to remnants lickety-split in the course of driving to churches that preach only hate, while others were seen advantaging widows & the elderly for their life savings from within heinous scams that would not go to benefit any fallen anywhere...but into the bank account of yet another trickster, a charlatan...ah, american commercialism; prided at turning a sow's ear into a silk purse witness contemporaneously the bush admin

my greater sense is that you are correct here as well, "given a generation of peace and tolerance", perhaps we will then see, it is all behind us now

peace to you & yours, Sir ~

[lectrobyte]

86. Tacky, but not unexpected. I'm waiting for "Patriot's Day" 9/11 sales.

You can shake your head, but now that Christmas seems to be starting already at the end of September, how far off can it be?