Allen put a FUCKIN SEVERED DEER HEAD in black family's mailbox?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Is this for real?

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2006/09/25/allen/

Shelton, a tight end and wide receiver for the Cavaliers in the early 1970s, said Allen used the N-word only around white teammates.

During a deer hunt with Allen in the early 1970s, Shelton said, Allen asked whether black families lived in the area before stuffing a female deer's head into the mail box of a black household.

"George insisted on taking the severed head, and I was a little shocked by that," Shelton said.

"This was just after the movie "The Godfather" came out with the severed horse's head in the bed," Shelton told the AP.

[Zynx]

1. I tell you this much, if there can be corroboration of this from more than

one source, Allen will be crushed like an ant. That is a serious matter.

[clydefrand]

2. Maybe we will be seeing Dr. Ken Shelton on tv soon to tell it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. There are so many of these things now.

Palos Verdes High School, the sister's book, the noose, the flags, now the college stuff. As his name gets out into the media, more & more people are coming out of the woodwork.

[liberalhistorian]

14. Do you really think so?

I sure as hell hope so, but this IS Virginia, after all. How badly has the "macaca" incident affected him, pollwise?

[davidwparker]

20. Polls jumped for Webb after "macaca". VA is turning blue.

[liberalhistorian]

25. That's very good to hear!

I sure hope Webb jumps even more ahead after all of these revelations.

[Bucky]

59. VA is turning purple, but I think support for Webb is not so much pro-Dem

... as it is anti-racism. Republicans can still easily win elections in most of the South--all they have to do is quit acting like fucking idiots. Fortunately for us, most of them haven't figured out how to do that.

[Zynx]

34. Virginia is only nominally more Republican than Ohio and is slipping

away from the Republicans. Virginia is not a racist dirtbag state and in fact is actually better educated in the aggregate than most states.

[LostinVA]

47. Alot of VA is NOT red -- it's purple, and parts are very blue

Charlottesville and much of NOVA is BLUE BLUE BLUE... along with Richmond city and some other areas.

His poll numbers submarined after Macaca... even alot of conservatives don't care for racists and xenophobes... especially when the "foreigner" in question is Virginia born and bred.

[HamdenRice]

51. I think a lot of non-southerners don't understand Virginia

I'm from New York, but my father's side of the family is from rural Virginia and I spent a lot of my youth there. When I grew up and travelled in the deep south, I realized that Virginia was very, very different.

It may sometimes go red, but people forget that Virginia elected an African American Democratic governor with lots of white support (and not just in the DC suburbs) just a few years ago, something most southern states are not ready for.

Rural Virginia is very strange politically. Nominally conservative, but very "decent".

[LostinVA]

52. Yup -- a huge difference between VA, and say, AL

And, I'm not tearing up Alabama, I promise! I just mean culturally and politically.

[zonkers]

64. Maybe all the horses make everybody kind.

[oasis]

3. Sounds like something the spoiled frat boy would do.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. I wonder if b*shit ever did the

same thing during his college cheerleading days!

[rosesaylavee]

10. Yeah, and we are already have one

spoiled frat boy too many in DC.

He gone.

[The Stranger]

53. Sounds like something a disgusting racist hateful bigot would do.

[sufrommich]

6. Stick a fork in him...

he's done.

[BootinUp]

7. Just a semi-harmless prank

that a sick fucker would do I mean.

[rucky]

12. "A youthful indescretion"

you don't know how many times I've almost accidentally done the exact same thing.

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. Why, I was an almost innocent bystander. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

54. I know, it happens to everybody, right?

I mean, who didn't stuff deer heads into the mailboxes of black families, burn a few crosses in their lawns, slap around couples in interracial relationships, wear white sheets to group meetings, etc?

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Isn't that terrorism?

:grr:

[Ioo]

9. Yah? What is your issue with that?

It is a kind of "Welcome to the neigborhood you &$^@*#( #*@&!!@#"
Very traditional KKK house-warming.

(JK)

[eleny]

11. If this is true, he should pull his candidacy and resign

[newsguyatl]

13. u've got to be fucking kidding me?!

he's finished now. period.

[zulchzulu]

15. Yes, he is an asshole...but does this count as an issue now?

I know it's a very important indication of character, but you have to admit we've all done stupid shit when we were younger. I still would vote against the guy given the chance, but this story would not be really relevant in my decision.

[xynthee]

28. Not relevant??!!

I hope you just forgot the :sarcasm: ! PLEASE tell me that's what happened!

Sure, we've all done "stupid shit", but this is a fucking hate crime! Would a burning cross be considered "stupid shit"?!

[Marnieworld]

50. oh come on!

Who here hasn't burned a cross or two? :sarcasm:

Yah, I would say stuffing a severed deer head in anyone's mailbox is sociopathic and violently hostile. The fact that it was motivated by his burning racism makes it even more sick and bizarre. And to think of all of the good smart people who don't run for office because they have a bit of pot smoking in their past but this guy sailed through life without fear?

[rogue emissary]

33. It's relevant because Allen makes it relevant.

All he had to do is say he used the word and there'd be no story. He continually lies and dissembles as easily as he takes a breath. It proves his nice guy image is just that, a carefully constructed image. The Macaca incident, the jew heritage and now his history of using racial slurs. It shows he cant tell the truth and his first reaction is to lie and keep lying.

[Jcrowley]

40. Indications of character aren't relevant

for a politician wielding power? Decisions are based on the character of that character. Let's keep out the base characters.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

46. Well, my stupid sh** vs. Allen's stupid sh** is night and day.

Usually, under the influence of :-) substances, I danced like an idiot, was less than judicious in my choice of sexual partners and skinny dipped in semi public places.

Putting a severed animal head in someone's mailbox based solely on their ethnic background wasn't anywhere in the mix. :shrug: MKJ

[Horse with no Name]

48. It's relevant because it is consistent

with a long-standing series of racially motivated slurs and actions that continue to this day.

[zulchzulu]

55. I'd stick needles in my eyes before I'd vote for Allen

His policies alone are enough that I would never vote for his sorry ass. The fact (?) that he stuffed a deer in someone's mailbox for any reason is a mere trivial event...his forming of his mentality in his political choices are enough for me...

Many complain about Robert Byrd's past as a KKK member...it's illevant now.

[Horse with no Name]

58. Byrd has apologized for his past

He doesn't continue to denigrate those he finds racially inferior.

[Marr]

66. I never did ANYTHING like that when I was younger. Christ.

[sendero]

68. Pranks have a flavor..

... some pranks are pretty much harmless fun, some cause a little property damage, etc.

But this is a whole 'nother thing. Seeking out a black family to put a head in their mailbox.

No, this is pathological. There is no statute of limitations on this kind of sick, especially when corroborated with recent racist acts.

[KharmaTrain]

16. Larry Sabato Sure Sounded Cryptic

He sure didn't do Felix any favors on Tweety tonight. He said he knew, but wouldn't go into details, that Allen has used the "n" word and that there was more he knew but couldn't say.

Tweety tried to play the "aw shucks...we all have used that word"...but Sabato hit home the point that Allen has repeated denied EVER using that word. Hell, I'm a white Jew and I'll admit I've used the word...dare I say I also used the word Polak and several other ethnic slurs that were frowned on in public discourse but were the mainstay of thousands of bar and dirty jokes. I'm sure many others here can say the same, yet it was not the same as hanging Confederate flags all over the place and cozying up to the modern-day version of the KKK.

The bullshit that Felix claims he never knew his grandfather was Jewish disqualifies this racist liar from any credibility. Others looked the other way because Allen was such a good bully and bullshitter. He was "cool" cause his dad was the big football coach and I'm sure he got a free pass on a lot of his behavior...especially if he could hook people up with a pair of tix for the next Redskins/Cowboys game.

Hopefully the people of Virginia have seen/heard enough now...but I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this. I suspect there's another smoking gun out there that Allen knows is about to explode and desperately trying to run away from this topic. It's truly kibuki theater...

[LibDemAlways]

45. I watched Larry Sabato, too. He certainly knows more than he's

telling. I went to high school with Allen and saw the graffiti he scrawled on the walls of the school - "Die Whitey" "Fuck whitey" - in a failed effort to make the kids at our all white school think it was the work of black kids from a rival school for the purpose of stirring up racial tension the week of a big basketball playoff game. He has admitted the graffiti, but denies it was racist. It was. More George Allen lies.

Another member of our high school class also went to college with George in Virginia. He recalls an incident in which Allen was bullshitting with some guys before class about a football game in which one of the black players missed a catch in the endzone. Allen's comment: "If it was a watermelon, he'd have caught it."

The media hasn't yet caught on to Allen's interesting choice of name for his son - Forrest - as in Gen. Nathan Forrest, KKK founder.His two daughters also share names with prominent Confederates. There are also sealed divorce records he wouldn't want made public that tell tales of philandering (this from a knowledgeable source) that might make the "family values" he touts seem kind of hollow.

So very glad the public is finally being introduced to the real George Allen. He's a piece of work.

[Bucky]

57. I'm a white southerner--born in NOLa, raised in Houston--and I never use

that kind of language. Trashy is as trashy does, my granma woulda told me. If I ever used that kind of language, my momma woulda popped the shit out of me just as a warm up until dad came home. The sooner we rid this country of this N-word virus, the better.

[Straight Shooter]

17. Racism aside, that's a federal offense.

I believe that would be considered a violation of the U.S. Postal Service. A mailbox is not a receptacle for anything but U.S. mail.

If the box contained mail and blood got on the mail, that's a violation, too.

Aside from that, it is terrorism. It would sure freak me out to see something like that in my mailbox.

[BuyingThyme]

18. I'm gonna go with hate crime.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Yes, it is definitely a hate crime.

I was trying to think of something the Repubs could relate to. I don't think many of them can relate to hate crime.

Good point, though. :thumbsup:

[BuyingThyme]

32. You'd be surprised.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497678/posts

[Straight Shooter]

39. Seems about 50/50 to me, pro and con.

But if Allen doesn't want to "elevate" gays to having the status of equal civil rights, then AFAIC, that's a whole lotta hate all by itself. He was trying to have it both ways.

Thanks for the link. I had to laugh at the grammar police on that thread.

[Leopolds Ghost]

36. Blood on the mail, it's up to my ankles. n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Aw, come on what's the big deal?

We all know boys just want to have fun. :sarcasm:

[Atman]

21. Allen fucked a severed deer head?

Oh...I thought we were playing "telephone."

You're it.

[htuttle]

24. That's what Paul Krassner said!

:D

Just a little joke for the old folks around here...

[Mr_Spock]

22. Yep, heard it on AAR this morning

Doesn't anyone listen to AAR anymore?

[Nutmegger]

23. There's a boycott. Haven't you heard?

:sarcasm:

Oh boy...:eyes:

[Atman]

29. Is there anything DUers are NOT boycotting?

Just curious.

[IronLionZion]

60. we will never boycott party infighting.....nt

[Bitwit1234]

27. Virginia

I had to say this but the people of Virginia are religious fanatics. The area around where falwell lives is really right wing. Most of them agree with Allen and his actions. Maybe there are enough real Americans in Virginia but I doubt it.

[Zynx]

35. NoVa and the east coast of Virginia have way more votes than the

valley. Kaine won big and he didn't get squat in the west.

[Oilwellian]

44. Roanoke is pretty liberal

And the Roanoke Times is very progressive.

[LostinVA]

49. Charlottesville is very Liberal, and much of NOVA is, too

[BushOut06]

30. Is this really a surprise?

Shock - a racist Republican?

[Crunchy Frog]

37. At least we hopefully won't have to worry

about a possible future President Macaca.:scared:

[bklyncowgirl]

38. What a yuckster! George Allen could fit right in my old neighborhood.

Jeeze, kind of like the drunken Bay Ridge kids who used to go out joy riding into Sunset Park (a heavily Hispanic area of Brooklyn) and scream "PUERTO RICANS SUCK!" and then burn rubber getting away down 4th Avenue laughing all the way.

The big dare among the brain dead set was to do the same in Dyker Heights, only yelling "GUINEAS SUCK!". This challenge was to the best of my knowledge never met mainly because Dyker Heights was controlled by the sort of Italian American who would leave their bodies to be found in the trunk of a stolen car on the Belt Parkway.

My point is that I sincerely doubt that any of these Brooklyn morons have become United States Senators much less serious candidates for President.

He's an asshole--though I could see him and George Bush yucking it up about their college pranks. All just fun and games, right guys?

[whistle]

41. That sounds like something George Dubya Bush would have gotten a chuckle

...out of doing. The whole republican/BushCo cabal are closet racists.

[lonestarnot]

42. His kind thoroughly disgusts me.

[lonestarnot]

43. His kind thoroughly disgusts me.

[Bucky]

56. I'd LIKE to believe this, but I'd feel on safer ground if the victims show

One guy says it happened, several say it didn't. I'm not a big fan of swiftboating, even when it's on our side. Until it gets corroborated, I advise just keeping our eyes opened and attacking Master Macaca on the facts.

[Joanne98]

61. Send Maccaca out with his camera to ask Allen if it's true.

He could say" Hey George, it's me Maccaca" "Did you really put a deer head in a black families mailbox?".. Then put the video on youtube...

[zonkers]

62. You don't make up that deer head story. It is too freaky to be fake. And

Shelton would not risk his professional career unless these allegations were true.

[zonkers]

63. Time for the deer head recipients to come forward. You don't forget an

event like this in your life.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

69. People are working on it

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/27/11324/8362

[EarthNeedsHope]

65. And you're telling me you're surprised?

Who do you think all of these GOP congressmen were before they became congressmen? They were those idiotic rich kids in college who took enjoyment out of making everyone not as elite as them miserable. Hurting and abusing other people was their forte.

[Joe Chi Minh]

67. Family values, honor, you name, they excel.