"Boys Gone Wild" - Homoerotic Torture

[Holly_Hobby]

BOYS GONE WILD

Pick Your Favorite Homoerotic Torture Technique

NEW YORK--Right-wing Republicans are weird. When gays and lesbians want to marry and raise kids in the suburbs, the right-wingers freak out. "Perverts!" they scream at these bland strivers. But when supposedly straight soldiers in the army, marines and CIA engage in male-on-male rape and other acts of homosexual sadism so bizarre and extreme they turn off the average, gay-marriage-craving civilian, Republican legislators think it's the best thing ever.

No one talked about it much at the time, but those now-forgotten photos of torture and humiliation at Abu Ghraib were the kind of extreme homoerotic kink your local porn vendor keeps hidden under the counter. Iraqi inmates of mental asylums led around like dogs on leashes. Iraqi prisoners, almost all later released as innocent, stripped of their clothes and forced to pile on top of each other naked.

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Moreover, torture has continued at Abu Ghraib since the United States turned over the facility to Iraq's puppet regime about two weeks ago. "Prisoners released from the jail this week spoke of routine torture of terrorism suspects and on , 27 prisoners were hanged in the first mass execution since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime," reported the British Independent newspaper. "Conditions in the rest of the jail were grim, with an overwhelming stench of excrement, prisoners crammed into cells for all but 20 minutes a day, food rations cut to just rice and water and no air conditioning."

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So what are the "alternative interrogation techniques? A well-sourced and repeatedly confirmed ABC News report lists six. In the "Attention Grab," the interrogator shakes a victim by his shirt. (This assumes that he isn't already nude.) The "Attention" and "Belly Slaps" are "aimed at causing pain and triggering fear." Then there's "Long Time Standing," in which victims are forced to stand for more than 40 hours straight. "Water Boarding" is the medieval practice of tying a victim to a board and dunking him under water. "Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt."

http://www.uexpress.com/printable/print.html?uc_full_date=20060919&uc_comic=ru

[Holly_Hobby]

1. And this.....

This, my fellow citizens, is what we've come to. No one, not even the nominally opposition Democrats, dares suggest the obvious--that both sets of gay-torture-loving right-wing Republicans are out of their filthy little minds.

[varun]

2. I found an eerie similarity

between those Abu Ghraib pics and gay porn...(S&M)

[darkmaestro019]

5. Yeah, me too.

Bunch of jocks--usually looking military--and other people I'd rather not see naked let alone doing, stuff, with no sense of aesthetics and terrible lack of artistry. It's EXACTLY like all the gay porn I've ever seen--not very much, once I realized that it was ALL like that.....

EDIT: I'm insulting gay porn! No making-light of what was done is intended; in fact, how REVOLTED I am by most gay porn is about a tenth of how revolted I would be if those horrible ucky sorts ever did anything like that to me--and I'm pretty sure most of the detainees were not, in fact, gay, so add another degree of revolted on TOP of that.

[skypilot]

10. Maybe I haven't seen enough...

...Abu Graib photos but judging by the ones I've seen and by the descriptions of torture in this article, I'm having trouble discerning exactly what is homoerotic about it. There is a difference between homoeroticism and simple S&M--a difference which I think is getting blurred, especially when you put "S&M" parenthetically next to "gay porn". Straight people also indulge in S&M, B&D, fetishes, etc. I don't see why anything that happened at Abu Graib would be associated exclusively with gay sex practices, gay porn, homoeroticism, etc. especially since female officers were also involved in the scandal.

[walldude]

13. Just goes to show you that even DU'ers

can be homophobic assholes. I find this thread not only insulting to gays but inflammatory and innacurate. There is nothing "homoerotic" about what happened at Abu-Grahib. It was torture plain and simple. To paint gays in the same light as the events at Abu-Grahib is pretty..... freeperish.

[skypilot]

16. I won't call them...

...homophobic assholes but I will say that there is a kind of persistent and lazy reductionism that goes on here sometimes. Too often, many of the ills that have manifested themselves under this administration are attributed to closeted or latent homosexuality. Sometimes it is said in jest, other times it is said in all seriousness. This thread is in keeping with that theme. I don't think it's meant to be homophobic but it sure is irritating, to say the least.

[pnorman]

3. I hadn't thought of it in that way,

but it's RIGHT ON, and it isn't merely tortuous twisting of words. I generally try to avoid 'homo-" related epithets, but that one I'll most definitely use. Thanks.

pnorman

[undergroundpanther]

7. S/M is the problem

The game where one person dominates another is well sick. I know there are S/M people who are into it,and will excuse it call it healthy play or whatever. I don't buy it, I myself do not see causing or receiving pain and torture,humiliation as an act of love~ ever.. It is an act of sickness homo-erotic or otherwise,


Military prostitution is viewed as rest and relaxation, entertainment for the troops. While the purported "goal" of the sexual humiliation of Abu Ghraib prisoners was to extract vital information, the photos tell a more twisted story. The cheery faces tell us that dramatizing the metaphoric rape of the Iraqi nation by acting out the sexual domination of Iraqi men was big fun. Casting themselves as directors and actors in the drama of sexual humiliation, the prison guards clearly believed that they could do whatever they wished, and thoroughly enjoy themselves in the process. Was it un-American for them to think so ? Not when the core message of their commander-in-chief to the Iraqi people has been, "You will bow down to our capacity to dominate, and we will exercise that capacity despite global opposition."

The struggle over assigning culpability has taken on the character of a high-stakes political tango. That struggle will intensify. Although there’s no question but that everyone responsible, from the immediate perpetrators on up, must be held to account, culpability runs far deeper.

It may be hard to get up in the morning and face this fact, but we are, collectively, as guilty as hell. We elect representatives who feed the military monster. We honor sadistic hyper-masculinity, awarding those who portray it best with governorships (e.g. Arnold Schwarzenneger). We devote vast resources to bondage and discipline in our criminal justice system. And we lie to ourselves unceasingly. The world is weary of, and profoundly angered by, America’s tattered claim of innocence.

The soldiers at Abu Ghraib pulled back the curtain on their perverse enactments so that we may see who we are. Do we have the courage to look ? Do we have the will to change ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1222354,00.html

Trauma can mess with your mind Trauma can cause a person who was harmed to seek to rewrite the past in the present,as a way to find a healthy resolution, it's called retraumatization.Sadists are more than eager because of their innate psychopathy to indulge victims of trauma and act out fantasies on them,It is not mutually beneficial as S/M practitioners would like to get you to believe.People DIE trying to resolve their own past traumas with sadistic assholes with home dungeons..
http://www.bullyonline.org/related/abuse.htm
http://www.goessoftlyishere.com/RETRAUMATIZATION.html
http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/11/1453


There is NOTHING erotic about bullying,or suffering unless you are conditioned by some past trauma in your life to associate trauma with sexual arousal or pain as pleasure. It is a CONDITIONED response to traumatization.. Child abuse can do that to a person,pedophilia incest,torture and witnessing it ..All these things can warp a child's sexuality for LIFE..ABUSE IS WRONG.Torture is WRONG. I don't care what rationalizations there are it is WRONG.

[Holly_Hobby]

8. No offense to anyone on this board

But I think this kind of torture should be viewed in this light.

[KurtNYC]

9. This is the same kind of flawed logic that thinks rape is sex

heterosexual or homosexual -- rape IS NOT sex.

I find that whole line of argument to be ill-informed, homophobic and highly flawed.

[LeftCoast]

14. Exactly! Rape is about power - not sex

[walldude]

15. Well you are offending people on this board whether you

want to believe it or not.

[skypilot]

17. And why exactly,,,

..."should" it be viewed in this light. Apparently, it is being viewed that way by some but I find it interesting that you think it should be.

[ourbluenation]

4. Mr. Ourbluenation said this the other day about Gonzales. Thinks he's

gay and hates himself for it and wants someone to pay.

[undergroundpanther]

6. Republicans

are the psychopath party. How much evidence do you need?
These thugs are SICKENING. They are not crazy because they know what they do is depraved and do not CARE.Remember at Abu Gharib Children were raped as well.They are grotesque and evil,and without PR teams and sycophants and money they cannot hide how disgusting they are..

The republican party is completely morally depraved,to the CORE.
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbookspedophilia.html
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
http://www.hereinreality.com/funeralgate.htm


They have hinted and hinted,at their true depraved selves under that mask of normal,we see bits and pieces, Like racism,Mr.Macaca,Santorum talking about fucking mules,The Dead animals And there are numerous sex crimes.. It's all THERE a PATTERN

http://rigorousintuition.blog
if you dare look beyond the individual compartmental kind of thinking and spin and see the patterns.Now they have the chance to recreate the world into a huge torture chamber they can dominate . A psychopaths dream state. They are not going to relinquish acting out that sick ass fantasy they are frothing for willingly or easily.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Mean spirited freaks! ... The truly demented end of the continuum. :(

[LeftCoast]

12. There is a HUGE difference between torture and gay porn

One is consensual, the other is not.

[undergroundpanther]

20. Consentual?

On one level consent makes a BIG difference..

But if a person has been traumatized and YOU do not know they have,or ask WHY the consenting person is consenting to torture,than you may be retraumatizing them.This is one problem the S/M crowd does not want to deal with.But sometime they are going to HAVE to. Consdent is NOT always freely given. Circumstances can turn normal people into assholes Ever read the Milgram study where normal people were divided into prisoner and guard roles? It is scary how power corrupts, in three days that scene degenerated into a traumatic horrorshow.

[Mandate My Ass]

18. Not homoerotic, a grievous insult to Islam

The torture used at Abu Ghraib was specifically designed to humiliate muslims. Nudity in front of women, smearing with menstrual blood (fake or not) and forced participation in male homosexual acts are grievous insults to men of this culture. These techniques were selected on purpose after research done at Gitmo, right along with use of dogs and desecration of the Koran. I've heard Iraqis say it would be better if these men had been killed than released to live with the kind of shame they'll feel every day of their lives.

[WinkyDink]

19. It may not be erotic, in our sense, but sadism does have that component,

does it not?
Just like the Nazi elite.