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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:49 AM
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Cops brutally attack Human Rights Fest in uptown Charlotte- petition
http://www.charlotteaction.org/ Sign the petition to drop the charges against The Charlotte Five at www.petitiononline.com/thefive.

They hada permit! It was peaceful and fun!

The Human Rights Fest featured performances from Dirty South Revolutionaries, Tax Slave, 25 Minutes To Go and Southside Punx.

As Southside Punx was playing their last few songs, a cop told organizers they had to shut it down ....the Action Center For Justice had permits to be there until midnight, and the event was almost over. The cop said he didnt care, that you have to shut it down, so Dixon told him that was being done.

The cop then said, I dont care. I got my boys coming.

D.D.... stated, Were shutting it down and well be out of here.

The cop replied, It doesnt matter. I got my boys coming. Theyll be here in a minute,
and he chuckled......

update- Victim has broken ribs & punctured lung from police beating

Sept 30 Mass Rally for Impeachment of Bush & Cheney (with Ann Wright-I hope to go!!! http://www.charlotteaction.org/ and of course Oct. 5th -everywhere!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:56 AM
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1. I really hope the time comes when these bastard cops that
beat on people get theirs back. I know that, in some way, diminishes me as a person. But I don't frigging care. I hope someone stomps these bastards until they are a breath away from death.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:03 AM
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3. thanks and here is something I sincerely hope can help
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:28 AM by jarnocan
United!::Oct 5::Stand up for Love! ::The World Can't Wait!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgKI99OLOuw cool video - invite brief
It happened in my old town too-when BU**SH** visited-also saw it happen in NY- over nothing-peaceful positive events- and he is coming soon to Greensboro.

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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:13 AM
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6. I'm sure all the bushites...
are very proud of the police in Charlotte.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:58 AM
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2. Holy crap!
Where is Billy Jack when you need him?

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:12 AM
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4. Truly appalling
I hope someone got it on video and posts it on YouTube.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:13 AM
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5. They need to find pictures of the attack
and post them on the internet.

That is the only way to make it real to people. In most people's minds this sort of thing doesn't happen until they see visual proof.

They will also need the pictures if they go to court to press police brutality charges.

Also get a professional photographer to take pictures of the victims bodies.

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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:48 AM
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8. they are working on that- and I will repost or link when available
Happens all the time- Greensboro, Westifld, NJ, NY etc. etc. it's all
and it is going to only get worse as they get more desperate, until they are OUT!

just old pics I like.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:52 AM
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9. I can't stress enough
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:52 AM by DoYouEverWonder
How important it is to get professional pictures taken of his injuries. The sooner the better.

Oh one more thing, a good lawyer familiar with police brutality cases.

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timber84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:29 PM
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13. It was on the morning news here:
They had camera's rolling, saw a little bit of it but don't know if they got the whole thing.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 02:47 PM
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15. Good
That's why they'll need a lawyer. They need to get a copy of this video but it might require a court order.

Good luck.

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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:38 AM
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7. And so the crackdown kicks up another gear...
and the Gestapo takes over where the Bu$hite Nazi (oops, I mean neocon) "brownshirts" have been working their "charm" up till now, is that it?

When the local cops are smiling and chuckling that their "boys are coming" to break up a peaceful rally that was already shutting down, you know the persecutions of any who dare to resist the neoconartists' rule are entering a whole new level of daring brutality. Why would a silly little technicality like a "permit" matter to such people?

"Permit?" they must sneer mockingly -- among themselves privately if not (yet) openly. "We don't care about your stinkin' 'permit'! We've got a lot of pissed-off, frustrated, billy-club-armed boyz in blue to teach you rabble-rousers what your 'permit' will get you in the end...."

At some point it becomes largely about the "enforcers" -- the modern American Gestapo, the SS, (which acronym the Secret Service creepily mimics, intentionally or not), and the local thugs (in police uniforms or not).

They won't be goosesteppin' down the streets for some time yet, but their plans are well and carefully laid, and we're now seeing the early moves in the direction of martial law -- or a state of affairs which is so close to martial law as to be indistinguishable from it. I suspect they will avoid declaring actual martial law at all costs if they can, simply because it will put all of us citizens on alert to their true intentions sooner than they would like.

Folks hear "martial law," and they might well panic and react with a bold fury, and that won't be as likely to happen if the same moves are made but the particular words that trigger inner warnings and alerts in free people are avoided. There are still enough people living today who remember well the methods of the Nazis as Hitler rose to absolute power in Germany and the surrounding area in Europe. Those who lived through such times as well as we who know they could well come again -- this time in America -- must be sure everyone understands the reality of what's happening now.

We can't let stand unchallenged the 21st century's version of jackbooted thugs going about knocking heads, breaking ribs, jailing innocents, and suppressing dissent without a check on their actions ... or else.

If the general population, both locally and more broadly, doesn't rise up in righteous citizen outrage against police brutality on peaceful protestors but rather rationalizes that "those hippies must surely have been the ones to start the trouble so they deserved what they got," then the Bu$hHitler fascists' have assessed the situation correctly.

Their plans are being put into the next stage of action right on schedule, is what I'm thinking.

And I'm afraid we're only going to get so many of these "wake-up calls" before it is indeed TOO LATE to wake up everybody else in the United States and regain control of the very institutions that should be protecting us.

So if the "good, regular folks" out there who have seen enough already to know better don't resist this sort of action in the street or bother themselves to learn the truth of what happened, but yield instead to the little tremors of fear they're feeling and mutter to themselves the same ridiculous excuses for the behavior of the fascist oppressors in our own government and police forces that the German people used, what other recourse will we ALL have once a new level of control and subjugation is reached?

It has almost gone too far already ... the lines are being crossed, the jails and internment camps are being readied for filling ... and of course the propaganda machines have been cranking out persuasive lies for several years now. So are Americans fooled? Are they ready for the next step, the use of police to enforce the will of a fascist dictator?

I guess we'll soon see, huh.........







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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:08 AM
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10. This happened in the late 60's
All the time. And we survived it. How? Unity.

And our message was: Peace.

So, we gotta do it again. Oh, and ya know what age group did it in the 60's? The twenty somethings. Kids, it's your time to shine!
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:25 PM
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16. So glad you pointed that out!
You're absolutely right, too. We did survive it, we stood up to the "machine;" and in the end, after a lot of bloody fights, tired and sore feet, arms, and voices, and even some jail time for the most courageous, WE WON.

The one thing they cannot overcome is an indomitable spirit.

People who won't be cowed, won't be ignored, and won't quit or give up easily. Americans who know what freedom is without a moran in the White House trying to tell us what HE thinks it is. Citizens who can recognize it when they're being taken for granted or beaten down in an attempt to rob us of our rights, our liberty, our sense of security and wellbeing, even our love and loyalty to our country and to each other.

It IS the time for the young ones to step up and take the risks required if we want to keep our government in our control. I think they can do it. In fact, I KNOW they can do it! And I believe that if they'll take those first bold steps in the face of intimidation, they will INSPIRE everyone else in the country.

You're so right, BeFree -- unity can prevail. The pressure toward creating a fascist state may be as powerful this time as it has ever been, or even worse due to the technology at the state's disposal. But we have the same technology on OUR side, too; and the young Americans who know how much is at stake can get this job done.

:patriot: :applause:





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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 12:59 PM
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11. K&R.
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 01:07 PM by Marie26
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:21 PM
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12. kicking for charlotte, n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:36 PM
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14. This is the kind of thing we were supposed to "never forget". K&R
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:01 PM
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17. Something like this has to happen to you or you have to see it before
it sinks home.

I was at a protest in Houston when the Houston cops went crazy, the cops on horseback started to run over people standing on the sidewalks.

I was video taping one the cops and another cop tried to kill me with his horse, I was saved by another protester pulling me out of the way.

Cops are not my favorite people anymore.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:53 PM
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18. Sometimes I ask myself if I'm too paranoid toward cops ...
But again and again, I'm faced with events that corroborate my own repeated experiences. I know there exist good cops. I've even been given the benefit of the doubt on more than one occasion. But even if the abusive, authoritarian, lying sons of bitches were equally represented by honest, humane cops who serve justice, the differential threat justifies avoiding all of them. But they're not equally represented. Even if you're peacefully protesting, once you've been labelled as "them", you're a bad guy and whatever they want to do, they'll justify it and lie about it with a straight face and a clear conscience. If they determine you a "bad guy", heaven help you.

Sorry to be so cynical, I've seen to much to trust any of them. I'll take my chances with criminals, thanks.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:20 AM
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20. Your cynicism is well founded. Too many cops in my experience
do not feel they have the time, duty, or intelligence to try to assess situations carefully when they are called in to take action to "stop a riot" or whatever. Others are just plain frustrated and angry for a variety of reasons and rather enjoy a chance to take it out on somebody -- anybody who resists their authority or tries to stand up for their own civil rights as citizens.

My father was a state trooper in OK for 23 years, and I'm familiar with the mentality that law enforcement officers can develop without even realizing it. Dad had a bad attitude toward "hippie protesters" during the Vietnam War and was called in several times to rock concerts for peace and demonstrations that were peaceful -- until the police arrived. He felt his negative attitude toward those who protested "legitimate government action" in Vietnam and at home was entirely justified -- at least early on.

Because he tended to think for himself and was a bright guy, and because he was a WWII combat vet who'd been wounded in action in Italy and had that experience to compare to the Vietnam insanity, he later came to doubt the legitimacy of U.S. presence in Southeast Asia. But his bad attitude toward hippies and "peaceniks" and especially those who would dare to march in the streets "during wartime" was hard for him to shake.

Thirty years later, he admitted to me that the anti-war folks had been right all along about that war. An amazing admission from a man who almost never conceded a point or acknowledged it when he'd been wrong....

There are 788 signatures on the petition as of this morning when I added mine. That's good, but more are needed! Not sure how much good such petitions do, but anything we can think of to help people who are wrongly jailed is worth trying, IMO.

NEVER GIVE UP, "STAY THE COURSE" of RESISTANCE! No one should ever be beaten or arrested for peaceful protest in this country! :patriot:


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:55 PM
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19. Isn't today the anniversary of
The Bill of Rights? Fugg - Bushco must go.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:48 AM
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21. This is a reason why cops are called pigs
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:17 AM
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24. Right you are.
"Pigs, fuzz, American Gestapo," and plenty of other names for mindless lowlifes or fascist collaborators when we thought of them.

I once referred to police outside the 1968 Chicago Convention as "the fuzz" and "brutes" within earshot of my dad, and he nearly threw me out of the house over it. Cops hate to be called "pigs," especially -- for obvious reasons and even when they deserve it!

I would like to suggest here to anyone who marches in the streets or attends peace rallies or anti-Bu$h events that it might be wise to assess the police as individuals when they are present for "crowd control" or are sent to quell your activities -- and try to avoid calling them ALL pigs if possible. Only because hollering "PIGS!" at them can get you a worse beat-down than might happen if you use milder words, even respectful ones when appropriate.

I guess I'm urging activists to "kill 'em with kindness" and "turn away wrath with a soft answer" whenever such an approach is at all possible. It can really work wonders!

For instance, I recommend picking out the individual cops who seem to be reluctant to beat civilians and talking to these individuals reasonably if you can find an opportunity. Addressing them as "officer" or "sir" may be going farther than you find you're able, but such respect shown to them BEFORE any violence erupts can go a long way toward maintaining the peace at your event!

If cops are present for crowd control purposes (purportedly) during a planned and especially large gathering, think of all the time you might have to explain your beliefs to guys in uniform -- even in riot gear -- before anything ever starts to go wrong. Look them in the eyes, not with rude defiance but to see if you can detect a spark of understanding or an indication of rational thinking that you can amplify with your words and actions.

Most of these men and women in uniform have families, and many have kids about the same age as the protesters they're asked to crack down on. That alone is enough to give some of them pause about raining brutality en masse upon crowds which they can tell are truly peaceful and non-threatening.

Consider also that many of them, even those who may still support this administration, may also have children or nephews or friends who strenuously oppose this administration and want to see the civil rights abuses here at home as well as the insane wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ENDED.

We who are older now once did a lot of good work during the 60's and early 70's, and in retrospect we were proven right. But we also made some mistakes that I would like to see avoided by our counterparts today.

Being careful not to make more enemies among the law enforcement types than we have already would be one good course of action, I believe. Keep in mind that many of them are conflicted about what they are asked to do when it comes to wasting their time and resources on peaceful protesters or rally attendees exercising free speech.

Whenever there is a chance to make allies of cops instead of setting negative attitudes in stone by taunting them or name-calling, it seems to me it would be wiser to look for officers who are reluctant to club American citizens and try to appeal to their better instincts and conscience. Not all cops are blindly loyal to their leaders or supportive of Bu$h and his wars and civil rights abuses -- not by a long shot.

Asking an officer if he has children can be a good opening for a dialogue that might open his eyes about the wisdom or righteousness of what he's doing in stopping peaceful rallies. His own kids may be small and he may be concerned already about their future in an America where freedom of speech is curtailed and young people are jailed and injured wrongfully.

Officers may have teenagers at home or sons and daughters in college or in the military or who are having a hard time finding decent jobs in this Bu$hwhacked economy. If such a cop thinks about his own loved ones who may side with the anti-war and anti-Bu$h-criminals and who could easily be victims of "pig brutality" at some point, it could hamper his willingness to be abusive to US.

"Do you have kids?" you might ask a cop while everyone's standing around before the rally kicks into high gear.

If s/he says yes, then you could follow up with, "Do you think your own children might ever join a group like this?" Or if s/he replied no to the first question, you could substitute "Do you know anyone who might attend our rally"? Anything to start them talking in a friendly, chatty way about the people and topics that are near and dear to their hearts.

It's very important to remember, IMO, that even police on duty and under orders may have a hard time brutalizing and arresting someone s/he has gotten to know, even a little bit -- someone who was friendly, considerate, and clearly non-threatening.

Charles Manson made one statement during his trial for the Tate-LaBianca murders that I found to be incredibly insightful. He said, during the lengthy speech from the witness box that he was allowed to make, "Your own children are coming at you with knives." He ranted on about how the "good citizens" of this country had thrown their children away, neglected them, ignored their legitimate needs and grievances -- and ultimately caused some of the very same behavior that so appalled them and even endangered them.

I'm not suggesting that you quote Charlie Manson to support your cause! :evilgrin: But I am saying he had a point in what he said that day about America's youth. When a nation's young people take a stand against all that's wrong in their government, and (in our case) dig in their heels, defy authority, and refuse to be silenced by "enforcers" that government sends to intimidate them, well, then maybe it's time for their "elders" to LISTEN for a change and consider what drives them to take personal risks for a cause.


One more observation I'd like to make. There are a lot of Americans who may have supported the Chimperor at one time but no longer feel he is acting in the best interests of this country. Many of those folks are of an age to recall quite clearly the turmoil and trauma of the Vietnam Era.

They might not believe that every action of protest or dissent taken during those turbulent times was justified; but everyone who's old enough to remember that war pretty much has to acknowledge that we were lied to, misled into war in Vietnam, and burdened with its many short- and long-term consequences because Americans were reluctant to express vehement dissent "during wartime."

Looking back, it's very hard for anyone to deny that the anti-war people were RIGHT, that that war was WRONG, and that Americans let it go on far too long before rising up against the madness and the creeping police-state within our own borders.

If you see someone among the police present at a march for "crowd control" or a crackdown, one who looks to be the right age to have served in or at least remember Vietnam very well, it might be useful to ask such a person if he does remember Vietnam.

"Remember how the country was led to war on a LIE back then?" (The Gulf of Tonkin incident.) "Remember how a Republican President took a big mistake and a wrong war started by a Democratic President and LIED a lot more about it, carrying it on for YEARS after promising to end it 'with honor'?"

"Remember that between the anti-war protesters and the government of the United States back then, it was the protesters who were RIGHT about that war -- not the leadership in the White House and Congress?"


These are just suggestions, and I'm sure you get the drift and can come up with a lot more good ideas for enlisting allies among those police who become threatening at peace rallies, rather than entrenching their bad attitudes toward us and our efforts.

What I feel we need is for the "enforcers" of this evil administration's policies and illegal actions -- that is, the police entities and the military -- to be guilt-tripped to the max and helped by any other means to take a long look at what they're doing and think about all the implications.

So much power lies in their hands, since without enforcers of its policies and objectives, no administration can long stand -- or at least can long continue its abuses and criminal behavior.

A cop who can remember Vietnam, who may even have served there, would likely be one who, due to his age and experience, has some rank in any police organization today. Such a person, if present at a protest or rally for "crowd control" or whatever excuse they're given for being there, might be able to avert ALL the brutality by simply ordering restraint among his subordinates at the scene.

What better way to frustrate the intentions of the goons in the White House than to have the police they expect to follow blindly their crackdown orders instead show good judgment and restraint, respect for citizens' rights, and ultimately recognition of the rightful complaints of those who protest criminal acts of this administration?.................




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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:50 AM
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22. k & r .....but
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 06:05 AM by Dystopian
why am I getting this:
"The petition ID does not appear to be valid."
Can't sign...


peace~

edit> done. just got it from a different link.
edit again> spelling. :blush:
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:06 AM
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23. another link and news report
Protesters call for charges to be dropped, police violated their rights

Defend The Charlotte Five & the Right to Dissent
Sign the petition www.petitiononline.com/thefive
Over 800 have signed in less than 36 hours. It is the 7th most active out of thousands on the petition site. Spread the word!

Protesters call for charges to be dropped
People at Saturday's anti-war rally say police violated their rights
KYTJA WEIR
kweir@charlotteobserver.com
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/15609095.htm

An online petition with hundreds of names calls for police to drop charges against protesters arrested Saturday in a scuffle with police in uptown Charlotte.

Six people were arrested, including one who was shocked with a Taser, during an anti-war rally involving about 200 people at Trade and Tryon streets. One of the men arrested was hospitalized overnight Sunday because, he said, police caused broken ribs and a punctured lung.

Protesters say police infringed on the rights they were trying to uphold at Saturday's Human Rights Fest. They are campaigning for the charges against the arrested men to be dropped.

thanks still have not seen pics but will post if they come on-line

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