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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:24 PM
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Talking veggies stir controversy at NBC-Parents Television Council Steamed
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 05:34 PM by Kadie
Talking veggies stir controversy at NBC
By SANDY COHEN, AP Entertainment Writer
4 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES - Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber always had a moral message in their long-running "VeggieTales" video series. But now that the vegetable stars have hit network television, they can't speak as freely as they once did, and that's got the Parents Television Council steamed.

The conservative media-watchdog group issued a statement Wednesday blasting NBC, which airs "VeggieTales," for editing out some references to God from the children's animated show.

"What struck me and continues to strike me is the inanity of ripping the heart and soul out of a successful product and not thinking that there will be consequences to it," said L. Brent Bozell, president of the Parents Television Council. "The series is successful because of its biblical world view, not in spite of it. That's the signature to `VeggieTales.'"

"VeggieTales" is a collection of animated home videos for children that encourage moral behavior based on Christian and biblical principles. More than 50 million copies have been sold since 1993, according to Big Idea Inc., which produces the series.

Two weeks ago, NBC began airing 30-minute episodes of "VeggieTales" on Saturday mornings. The show was edited to comply with the network's broadcast standards, said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.

"Our goal is to reach as broad an audience as possible with these positive messages while being careful not to advocate any one religious point of view," she said.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060922/ap_en_tv/tv_veggietales_flap_1

edited to add...

Director Michael Barnard, center, talks with from left, Pa Grape, Jerry Gourd, Larry the Cucumber and Junior Asparagus during dress rehearsal for VeggieTales Live! at the State Theatre in Minneapolis, in this Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2002 file photo. The conservative media-watchdog group Parents Television Council issued a statement Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006 blasting NBC, which airs 'VeggieTales,' for editing out some references to God from the children's animated show. (AP Photo/Ann Heisenfelt)


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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:29 PM
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1. When God and Mammon compete for the affections of Republican America...
God is left standing on the porch with a bouquet, listening to Mammon moan in America's bedroom.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 08:35 AM
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18. good line!
I always wanted to see a Veggie Tale story where the cucumber tries to witness to the Whore of Babylon. You can imagine where it goes from there.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:32 PM
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Don't they KNOW that you can't be moral without
religion? And any messages about morality that don't reference God must be from the devil. :sarcasm:

If the creators of the show and characters don't have a problem with the editing, I don't see any problem with it. I'd think these people would be happy to have a kids' show with a positive message being broadcast.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:45 PM
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9. of they don't know that, they also don't think the commandants exist
unless they're on the lawn of every public building in Merika.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:54 PM
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12. Morality does NOT require religious programming....
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 08:57 AM by newyawker99
...If it did, humanity would have never made it past Neaderthal stage of evolution. You can not kill each other an expect to survive, morality has always been part of our human development. Other mammals have morality as well, other wise they would all be extinct.

http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/cohen.html

MORALITY WITHOUT G-D:
Christianity is what is called a "revealed" religion. That is, God himself revealed that religion to man. In other religions man sought God -- some god -- and eventually found him, or thought he did. In the case of Christianity God sought man and revealed himself to him. The revelation, judging by after events, was not very well done, for although a book made its appearance that was said to have been dictated or inspired by God so that man might know his will, yet ever since mankind has been in some doubt as to what God meant when he said it. Evidently God's way of making himself known by a revelation is not above criticism. There seems a want of sense in giving man a revelation he could not understand. It is like lecturing in Greek to an audience that understands nothing but Dutch.

What was it God revealed to man? He did not reveal science. The whole structure of physical science was built up very gradually and tentatively by man. He did not teach man geology, or astronomy, or chemistry, or biology. He did not teach him how to overcome disease, or its nature and cure. He did not teach him agriculture, or how to develop a wild grass into a life-nourishing wheat. He did not teach man how to drain a marsh or how to dig a canal so that it might carry water where it was needed. He did not teach him arithmetic or mathematics. He taught him none of the arts and sciences. Man had no revelation that taught him how to build the steam engine, or the aeroplane, or the submarine, the telegraph or the wireless. All these and a thousand other things which we regard as indispensable, and without which civilization would be impossible, man had to discover for himself. There is not a Christian parson who would to-day say that God gave these things to man. That, perhaps, is not quite true. Some of the clergy will say that God gave everything to man inasmuch as he let him find them out. But at any rate none of these things I have named is said to have been revealed to man. He had to discover or invent the lot. And in inventing them or discovering them he behaved just as he might have behaved had he never heard of God at all.

What was there left for God to give man? Well, it is said, he gave him morality. He gave man the ten commandments. He told him he must not steal, he must not commit murder, he must not bear false witness; he told children they must honor their fathers and mothers, but somehow he forgot the very necessary lesson that parents ought also to honor their children. He mixed up with these things the command that people ought to honor him, and he was more insistent upon that than upon anything else. Not to honor him was the one unforgivable crime. But, and this is the important thing, while there is no need for an inspired arithmetic or an inspired geometry, while there is no inspired chemistry or geology, there had to be, apparently, and inspired morality, because without God moral laws would be without authority, and decency would disappear from human society.

Now that, put bluntly, lies behind the common statement that morality depends upon religious belief. It is not always put quite so plainly as I have put it -- very absurd things are seldom put plainly -- but it is put very plainly by the man in the street and by the professional evangelist. It is also put in another way by those people who delight in telling us what blackguards they were till Christ got hold of them, and it is put in expensive volumes in which Christian writers and preachers wrap up the statement in such a way that to the unwary it looks as though there must be something in it, and at least it is sufficiently unintelligible to look as though it were good sound theological philosophy.

Is the theory inherently credible? Consider what it means. Are we to believe that if we had never received a revelation from God, or even if there were no belief in God, a mother would never have learned to love her child, men and women would never have loved each other, men would never have placed any value upon honesty or truthfulness or loyalty? After all we have seen an animal mother caring for its young, even to the extent of risking its life for it. We have seen animals defend each other from a common enemy and join together in running down prey for a common meal. There is a courting time for animals, there is a mating time, and there is a time however brief when the animal family of male, female and young exist. All this happened to the animals without God. Why should man have to receive a revelation before he could reach the moral stage of the higher animal life?

Broadly, then, the assertion that morality would never have existed for human beings without belief in a God or without a revelation from God is equal to saying that man alone should have never discovered the value of being honest and truthful or loyal. He would not even have had such terms as good and bad in his vocabulary, for the use of those words implies moral judgement, and there would have been no such thing -- at least, so we are told.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:01 PM
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13. Morality does require an at least tacit acknowledgement that the Material
world is NOT all there is.

It also recognizes that our Higher Selves must control our Lower Impulses.

Atheism rejects all but the Physical World when investigating Nature and touts the primacy of the Lower Impulses.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:08 PM
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14. I disagree....
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 07:09 AM
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15. Whew! That stinks of a great many piles of ridiculous turds.
I agree with the premise that one does not need religion to have a good morality. But it's too bad the guy thinks that "religion" means "Christianity" and further too bad that his understanding of Christianity is so singularly myopic, and so clearly hatefully biased, that it has turned into a field of cow shit.

The writer is a fucking idiot dickweed.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:32 PM
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2. Let's see
They moan and complain until they get broadcast standards...and now have fits when it comes back to bite them in the ass?

I love it.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:34 PM
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3. tomato
Now when Bob the Tomato starts using Larry the Cucumber in kinky ways then they can say something....
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:37 PM
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4. They steamed em?? Man, that is rough!
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 05:37 PM by The Straight Story
heh, when I saw the thread title I thought maybe SNL had an episode where they steamed em and ate em :)
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:52 PM
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5. The only relevant question is, "Do the creators care about the editing?"
If they are fine with the editing, then the Parents Television Council can go (biblically) fuck themselves.

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:01 PM
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6. if you click through to the article, yes, they do care.
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 06:06 PM by gkhouston
Phil Vischer (one of the Veggie Tales creators and the voice of Bob the Tomato and other characters) says he would have declined the offer if he'd known. We've got the Veggie Tales DVDs and I'd call them pretty generic and upbeat when it comes to promoting Christianity. It's not what I'd consider "brainwashing for Jesus" although maybe the PTC would like to misuse it in that way.

on edit: the shows broadcast thus far have been edited versions taken from DVDs. I thought they'd been edited for time constraints, and some of the material removed within the story has clearly been trimmed for that reason, but there used to be a quick segment at the end called "what we have learned" where they would pull up a Bible verse relevant to the story. Now I know why that's missing! Luckily, they usually leave in the Larry's Silly Song.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:41 PM
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7. "Larry the Cucumber?" REALLY?!?! Bwahahahahahahahah...
...well, I guess as long as Larry doesn't make any homoerotic gestures of frienship to Mike the Zucchini....

dirty-mindedly,
Bright
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:42 PM
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8. Didn't NBC see this coming?
I mean, come on. Veggie Tales are overtly christian/religious in nature. Didn't they think people would notice this?

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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:48 PM
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10. People and their damn Theocratic Agenda...I am sick of'em.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:52 PM
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11. Wouldn't a strict biblical constructionist
find talking vegetables blasphemous anyway? Seems to run counter to all that stuff Leviticus and Deuteronomy ban on the basis of "confusion" and "abomination."
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 07:12 AM
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16. Brent Bozell is a piece of work.. He's the busiest busybody ... ever.
No God-talk from talking vegetabls..OH THE HUMANITY...

I suppose the network has them going around saying "Eat me"..:evilgrin:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 07:50 AM
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17. No pleasing these fruitcakes
First they're pissed off at what they see on TV, then they're pissed off at what they don't see on TV. I think that these fools just want to exist in a continous state of pissed offedness:crazy:
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