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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:09 PM
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Sad To See So Many DUers Buying Into The RNC/MSM Spin On The Election
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 04:01 PM by stopbush
The hand-wringing has begun. The "I can feel we're going to lose...again" threads have started.

Oh, and that good ole DU chestnut - "Time To Move To Canada" - has resurfaced.

Yep, when the going gets not significantly tougher, some DUers get frantic.

No matter what the MSM tells you, the Dems are poised to take back the House and possibly the Senate. The polls
show this. The polls have been consistent. Why do you buy the selective horseshit that the MSM sells you about
* "rising in the polls?" He isn't. Why do you buy into the GUARANTEED RNC strategy of lowering expectations a few
months before the election followed by the usual magical surge in the polls for * about a month out that suddenly propels
the Rs into a margin of error that allows Diebold to steal yet another election for them?

Friends, by now, we should EXPECT that this is the way that the LYING media is going to report things in defense of their
beloved Rs. Why the shock? Why the disconnect from recent history?

If you're like me, you believe a few things about the past two elections:

• that both elections were won by the D candidates (Gore, Kerry) and stolen by the Rs with their buds on the SCOTUS and
the one sitting in the catbird seat in Ohio in '04

• that John Kerry got more votes than any other Dem candidate in history

• that Kerry beat * when * was at 50% in the polls, the war was raging only a year and most Americans were still behind the
war in Iraq. Bush is at 40% now and 61% of the country hates the war and thinks * and his Congress are useless


Now, here's a few things you need to be aware of for THIS election:


• that for the first time in recent memory, voters are blaming the Congressmen FROM THEIR DISTRICT for the mess in DC. The people
want change. This isn't the usual "throw the bums out...except for my bum" stuff of typical years.

• that the ONLY way the Rs can win in 2006 is to SUPPRESS VOTER TURNOUT and get the vote close enough statistically to steal it

• D fund raising is at historic highs, outstripping Rs. Someone is donating that money. People want change

• The MSM has been pushing the meme that the Ds will win if they "make this election about *." That strategy - as a single issue - was a trap,
a trap the Ds avoided, because that trap would have snared the Ds if and when * came up in the polls enough for the MSM to trumpet that
"the Ds miscalcualted...now, they lost their only issue." But the Ds are making this election about change - in Iraq, in the economy. In fact
bush is the one thing that CAN'T be changed this cycle. That's a strategy that will work.

• Ds are contesting every race in every state. Bravo, Howard Dean. We are conceding nothing. If we lose, we lose fighting.

• Local races ARE where it's at, and Dems are well positioned locally, especially with every Iraq vet (save one) running as a D

• Vote fraud/Diebold is a REAL CONCERN this time around, even in the MSM. I doubt that a severe discrepancy in vote tallies and
exit polls will be shrugged off as an aberration this time.

• No matter what the RNC/MSM throws out as the diversion-of-the-day, it will be overtaken by the FACTS ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ. Iraq
will get WORSE before the election, not better. They can't control that, and they can't spin disaster into gold no matter how hard they try.

• No one said it would be easy, so don't expect it to be easy. Ever vigilant is the price of freedom.

So, take heart, DUers. We're not the ones swimming upstream in this election, the Rs are.

Now, let's kick some ass.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:12 PM
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1. I've given more money to political races
in the past year then I have in the past 30. I look forward to a celebration of ass kicking come 7 November.

Isn't it rather telling that the number one fear of the gop for losing the house and senate is that the American People will be exposed to the truth about them? How fucking pathetic can they get?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:13 PM
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2. Thanks for this, and your optimism. Rec'd. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:16 PM
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3. Most excellent post!
Let's go take our country and our democracy back!
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:17 PM
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4. Thank You.

Please repost this every couple of days. It's important.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:22 PM
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5. I disagree, Iraq wasn't the fiasco it is todayn neither exposed corruption
Bush soon to be $1.90 per gallon gas prices are desperate attempt to gain talking points.
75% believe the house & senate need incumbent replacements!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:27 PM
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6. I am pleased to give you the fifth recommendation
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 03:39 PM by Jack Rabbit
As things stand right now, I am not going to believe it if the Republicans retain control of the House of Representatives; they will lose a number of seats in the Senate as well, but whether enough for the Democrats to take over remains to be seen.

If I wake up on the morning of November 8 and find that the Republicans retained control of the House and picked up a seat or so in the Senate, the Rick Santorum still has his seat in the Senate and that Ken Blackwell is the new Governor of Ohio, I will conclude that the election was fixed.

I will be out in the street vowing to prevent any candidate who won by fraud from taking office. I hope many of you -- no, all of you -- will join me.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:38 PM
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7. Thank you for being a voice of reason.
Sometimes I feel so frustrated at the amount of hand wringing and just plain throwing in the towel that goes on here. Yes, the 2000 and 2004 elections WERE stolen; I've no doubt about that. Yes, the GOP has, and will continue to work their asses off to suppress the voters whom they know will not be voting for their candidates. And yes, we MUST keep up the fight.

However, it is also true that we the people of all parties are getting angrier and angrier at how things are going. Angry enough that we want a change. People are waking up to the fact that one-party rule does not work in this country. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely is not just a saying; it's a truth. And people are opening their eyes to that truth.

Sure, the MSM will continue to spout their bullshit about how the R's will remain in power, but some, like Lou Dobbs, are finally speaking out, and talking about the evoting machines and all the problems with them. And sure, there will always be that 30-something percentage of people who will blindly follow the Bush Cabal right over the cliff. But the polls show that more and more people are saying, "Whoa! I am NOT going over that cliff, and I want to keep my country from completely going over that cliff too!"

You are exactly right: We're not the ones swimming upstream in this election, the R's are.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:54 PM
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8. Prediction: how the MSM will report the elections this fall
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 03:58 PM by stopbush
Scenario 1. Dems narrowly win House, Rs retain Senate: "There was no mandate for the Dems. Certain R candidates were tainted by scandal,
and their voters rejected them. But the country still wants bush in charge.

Scenario 2. Dems win by landslide in House, Rs retain Senate: "No change needed. If the country REALLY wanted change, they would have given the Senate
to the Ds as well."

Sceraio 3: Dems somehow win Senate, but House stays R: "Voters wanted to keep the House in R hands because those are the Reps who they feel closest to. The
Senate is the place for the more-aloof Congressmen...like the Dems."

Scenario 4. Dems win House and Senate: "The voters punished R candidates for running from bush. The message is clear: support bush or lose!"
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:59 PM
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9. CALL YOUR LOCAL DEM OFFC & VOLUNTEER as a POLL WATCHER!
If lazy old elena can, so can you.

Anybody caught whining on DU on 11/7 who is not legitimately ill, disabled, or at work will get a personal visit from me on 11/8. And I ain't bringing cupcakes.

Seriesly!!!11!!!1
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:59 PM
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10. Excellent summary of the situation...
Very nice.

Thanks.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:03 PM
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11. True they won in the past - but 2002 were stolen too
Just because "election fraud is a real concern in the MSM" it doesn't matter they won't do it again. They will. Like they Diebolded seats in the senate in Minesotta, Georgia and a few others in 2002.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:10 PM
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12. I like your post, but I take exception with your comment about
"contesting every race in every state". I am in the Michigan district where "moderate" republican Joe Schwarz lost to the Club for Growth Christofascist Tim Walberg in the primary and is now running against Democrat Sharon Renier. I am not seeing any upstream support from the party. They appear to have completely written Renier off. CFG spent a record amount to unseat Schwarz, it doesn't look like they'll have to spend another penny here before November.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:14 PM
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14. I may have overstated that, but I think everyone knows what I meant.
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 04:15 PM by stopbush
Let's hold out hope for Ms Renier. Maybe someone should point this out to Dr Dean. I'm sure that even $10,000 would make a difference.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:12 PM
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13. Thanks for the inspiration..........
And let's keep screaming for those paper ballots......
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:14 PM
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15. The DNC is working to fix the party infrastructure collapsed by years of
neglect in many crucial states.

This will be the first election in 6 years where the DNC is even going in with their eyes open.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:26 PM
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16. Thank you for posting this... It has been needed greatly. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 08:38 AM
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17. I am autorank and I endorse this OP. KR Bookmarked. Thank you. n/t
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 08:51 AM by autorank
One of my few edits that does NOT involve spelling.

This post is so dead on, it's amazing.  We won both
presidential elections, period.  The Ohio election was stolen.
 Period.  The vote inflation around the country would have
made it look like Kerry was a "minority" president,
even if Ohio did turn away from our fearful
"leader."

* bounding back in a few polls is either a reflection of bias
(e.g., ABC below) or margin of error.  Look at a bunch of them
together:

LA Times/Bloomberg - corporate poll, whores, Mayor of NYC,
Republican So. Cal. Paper - toss it
Anything with "Gallup" toss, whores of Babylon to
Republicans.  Their president think Gods involved
in their polling.
ABC - AMF, forget it.
Pew is the only non cporporate poll. It's 37% approve, 53%
disapprove, 10% Duh?
					

Scoundrel:              Dates        Approve  Disappr. Duh?
L.A. Times/Bloomberg 	9/16-19/06 	45 	52 	3 	-7
CBS/New York Times 	9/15-19/06 	37 	56 	7 	-19
USA Today/Gallup 	9/15-17/06 	44 	51 	5 	-7  
FOX/Opinion Dynamics LV 9/12-13/06 	40 	49 	10 	-9
AP-Ipsos * 	        9/11-13/06 	39 	60 	NA  	-21
NBC/Wall Street Jou RV  9/8-11/06 	42 	53 	5 	-11
Gallup 	                9/7-10/06 	39 	56 	5 	-17
Pew 	                9/6-10/06 	37 	53 	10 	-16
ABC 	                9/5-7/06 	42 	55 	3 	-13
	
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 08:57 AM
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18. I have been through too much and am getting too damn old
to concede a loss before the reality in any way, shape or form. My heals are dug in and I am ready for the battle
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 09:11 AM
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19. i agree with about every perspective you state
good post
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:45 AM
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20. I admire your optimism but can't agree
While I agree with the majority of your points, I still have to think that the R's will Diebold enough races and surpress enough voters to maintain control of both houses. I hope I'm wrong, I really do.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:24 PM
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21. "Diebold" is a verb
Good one. Add that to the lexicon, along with "Swiftboating" and "Paris Hilton Tax."
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:31 PM
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22. the msm is preparing us for another theft.
the msm is now 24/7 telling us the dems once had a chance but squandered it and according to the crooked pols the pugs are pulling back...it it utter nonsense unless you know the election is going to be stolen.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 03:14 PM
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23. I agree. They're just feathering the bed.
And even if Joe and Jane Sheeple don't necessarily believe it, they're gonna be left with the question "what are you gonna do about it." Most of them don't get off their fat asses to even change the channel from FOX news.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 05:50 PM
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24. joe you hit the nail on the head...and therein, lies the downfall
of a great country if we do not get off our asses and people don't wake up.
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