Can we trust Bill Clinton today?

[Cyrano]

I've always been a big fan of Bill Clinton even though I often disagreed with his policies. I also believe he's the most astute and charismatic politician we've seen in this country in many, many years.

Having said that, my point is that I believe Bill Clinton will do anything it takes to help Hillary get elected in '08. He'll do what's needed whether it benefits the Democratic party this year or not, and even if it means standing back while the country is further damaged by BushCo (assuming that is possible).

That may sound harsh, but Bill Clinton is first, last and foremost, a politician. If he can help Hillary win the White House, it will once again put him into a position of enormous influence.

I must also add that I have no evidence, or even anecdotes to support what I've posted here. I'm speaking from intuition and my personal observations of human nature.

Agree or disagree as you will. Fire away. I've already got on my flame-retardant suit.

[NOLADEM]

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:popcorn:

[William769]

2. I would trust Bill Clinton with America (thats why I voted for him twice).

Does that answer your question on how I feel about him?


ON EDIT: and would vote for him a 3rd time if the Constitution allowed it.

[Cyrano]

3. Me too. But that doesn't address the issue.

[William769]

4. Yes it does.

"TRUST"!

[IChing]

8. Trust this behavior right before mid-terms?

So you like this that he props up Bush's family right before election?
I don't care, he could have waited.

or this one?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

11. You're right

all that clean water to Africa can wait for another 45 days.

[IChing]

14. You know damn well he didn't need her on the stage to do his Bill stuff

right before mid terms.

His initiative could have worked damn well
and he could have brought her onboard after the election and that
would not have slowed down the water project one damn bit.

[IChing]

16. non answer to my post

And you know it

[William769]

17. You got no answer, because I didn't respond to your post and you know it.

[Cyrano]

20. Play nice, children. Put another way, WE'RE not the enemy. So how about

spending time, words and energy fighting those we should be fighting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. "Trusting" politicians is like "trusting" plumbers.

You'd better check that the toilet flushes before you pay him.

I've never been a Clinton fan, tho' I voted for him twice. And, I "trust" him as much as any other politician. That is, I trust him to be a politician and put his own ambitions first and foremost.

[Asgaya Dihi]

6. It's not just Clinton, it's the compromise in general

My biggest fear at the moment is that the party will gain some measure of power then blow it by trying to prove how tough they are. Again. Last time Len Bias died of a cocaine overdose because his friends were afraid to call for help in time, he could have been saved, so Tip O'Neil demanded a harsh crime bill within a couple of weeks while the politics was still hot. Worked out great for the party, but not so well for the nation, the poor or for minorities. Might have more than a little bit to do with the collapse of the party between voter disenfranchisement and disillusionment of what used to be the traditional base.

Check the results for yourselves, there's a chart showing the rate of prison growth from 1925 to 2002 in the first link below and a look at our current racial distribution in prison (mostly due to drug crimes and mandatory minimums) at the second.

Comparative International Rates of Incarceration: An Examination of Causes and Trends -- Presented to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights http://sentencingproject.org/pdfs/pub9036.pdf

Prisonsucks.com Research on the prison industrial complex http://prisonsucks.com/

We've had enough tough guys and enough compromise. Stand for something again if we want to change things, leaving a good impression but a lot of innocent victims behind isn't the same thing. We tried that, it's a part of how we got where we are today.

[Imagevision]

7. Clinton has gotten too darn close with the Bushies, Babs even saying that

she feel like she has adopted another son? Clinton is an excellant conman, anyone who could BS. his way out the BJ. deal, my hat is off to you sir, but hangin with Sr. Bush and then to state that we must go eliminate Saddam ONLY to retract this statement years later on the premise that George wasn;t shooting straight with the american people -eh! give us a break Bill, we truly aren't that stupid!

[asjr]

10. I feel this "friendship" is pure theatrics

on both sides.

[patrice]

9. Don't you think he feels like he owes Hillary?

One doesn't necessarily have to be aware of ones strongest and deepest motivations and how much they are warping your thinking.

[Benhurst]

12. You can always trust Bill to do what's good for America,

unless doing so interfers with whats good for him, Hillary, or, more recently, his adopted mother and her crime family.

[wyldwolf]

13. the people who have always trusted him still can... then there are others.

...the angry right and the angry left who didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

[RethugAssKicker]

15. No flames for me.... You are 100% correct...

For me personally, I like Bill, but he was too much of a moderate for me..

[Rex]

18. What choice do we have? We know he drank the kool-aid

but did it wear off? I think a lot of people forget the Clintons are trying like hell to look like Centrists. I'm not going to hold their feet to the fire, Congress did everything in its power to try and impeach and demoralize Clinton (Dems included). That had to leave a bitter taste in his mouth for politicians in general.

I trust Clinton to do the right thing when the time comes.

[Cyrano]

19. An off-the-point thought. Al Gore doesn't have Clinton's charisma, but

I really believe this a man who cares more about the country and world than his own political fortunes. In my opinion, this is a man who would never sell us out, regardless of personal rewards.

Maybe I'm a fool, or gullible as hell, but Al Gore is one of the few people I would trust in the presidency. He cared about this planet long before anyone gave it any thought. And anyone who cares about the health and viability of the planet, evidently cares about its inhabitants.

[Odin2005]

21. Clinton is DLC, 'nuff said.