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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 12:55 PM Original message |
Please, please, please help! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have no sympathy for him, none at all |
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LA lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Sorry |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Deleted sub-thread |
movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. But, but, but this is an illegal war...there is a difference...we do not |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. That's not up to an enlisted person to decide |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Surely you think enlisted Germans should've "decided?" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Apples and oranges |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. both plucked from the same tree of conscience... |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
48. Right ON!!! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. And the BFEE isn't a genocidal, racist empire? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. No, just a materialistic one |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I can see that we greatly disagree. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I respect your opinion |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. He tried to turn himself in for court martial. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yes, exac tly! Thank God for the resistance! |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Since you haven't been there it is not for you to decide either is it? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. You're right, it's not for me OR YOU to decide |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I was asking for the clarification on the officer/enlisted issue. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Only a flag officer would have authority refuse order to go to Iraq |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. All I was interested in getting straight |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. He tried to turn himself in and get court martialed. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Please donate to his legal fund. It is an illegal war and it is exactly |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Send your money to a Democratic candidate for Congress instead |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. read about Alex and how recruters 'get them' even when they don't |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. As in Vietnam the choice becomes personal when the war is a lie. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
74. Bullshit. Following orders is not a good enough excuse. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. I have a great deal of sympathy for him... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-25-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
97. Agreed... |
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Sammy Pepys (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. He won't get my pity.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Right on |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. What if you sign up, experience the reality, try for CO status,are denied? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Tough shit |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. 'zactly!!! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. sigh |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Bush never admits his desertion...... |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
85. Don't pity Aguayo--make him President. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. Ignore the people who disagree! DONATE if you agree! and |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I will not be shut down |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Whatever!!! Thanks again for kicking the thread. Please DONATE |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. As an enlisted man, you have a duty to disobey an illegal order. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Going to the country is not illegal |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Actually it is illegal |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Horseshit |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. My Lai |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. That's right! Keep up the GOOD fight! DONATE! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Perfect example |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Did you read the part where he has been trying for CO status for 2 1/2 yrs |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. They just want bodies. Even the IWVAW are with him on this! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. The whole story doesn't pass the smell test |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. This is another place we disagree |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. So why don't you enlist if you're so willing to give up other peoples' |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Already answered in reply #4 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Another free kick even though I disagree with the OP |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. "vision problems and flat feet" |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Well, I do support a CO and a person who played by their rules |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
77. by the way...judge and jury...exactly the people who he's asking |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Exactly. CO's can be made. |
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KalicoKitty (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Soldiers going awol have trebled since the invasion of Iraq |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 01:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
75. "George W. Bush's army" - ding. ding. ding. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
86. Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
91. wait a minute |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-25-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Big problem with comparing this guy with "the Germans" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
41. kick fo CO's |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Bona fide COs don't enlist in volunteer military forces |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Bona fide CO's are made by their experiences. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. He has a right to change his mind, but he took an oath |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. He was given CO status. They shouldn't take that away! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. where was he given CO status? Thanks. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. He doesn't qualify for an honorable discharge |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You are partially right here |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. thank you for the correction. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. How can they force him to Iraq, not let him go to prison? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That's the part I have a hard time believing n/t |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. me too. What gets me is that they take these young kids |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-25-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Mr. Amayo is 34 years old |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. You are 100% correct on that. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Better comparison. How about someone takes a job as a butcher... |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
61. WTF? People have issues with conscientious objectors? If you |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Going to Iraq != Sticking people in ovens |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I disagree. Dropping bombs on innocent civilians or gassing them |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-25-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. You have just described two war crimes |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. kicking, recommending, and supporting a brave guy with principles! |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. THANK YOU! |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. One more kick for conscientious soldiers! |
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wiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
68. With all due respect |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Sometimes being part, even a positive part, of the war machine's too much. |
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wiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-23-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Being taken forceably to Iraq is wrong. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
70. more info, links |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
71. One more news article |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. thank you! |
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FILAM23 (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
83. No support here |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Before they do that, I demand that Bush/Cheney be tried for war crimes. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Did you read the part where he tried to turn himself in for court martial? |
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FILAM23 (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yes |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Thanks for the answer |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
92. I have all the sympathy in the world for this kid and fully support. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-24-06 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
93. A hypothetical question |
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