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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:41 PM
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A must read New Yorker article on the jihad movement
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 01:07 PM by bif
It was called "the Master Plan" and was in the Sept. 11 issue. Fascinating, and scary article. It talks about the 20 year plan that started on Sept. 11, 2001. I'll see if it's on line and I'll try to finda link.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:46 PM
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1. I'd love to see. Who was author?
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:47 PM
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2. Lawrence Wright
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:49 PM
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3. Here's a link
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:23 PM
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6. Wow. What a read. Thanks for the link. nt
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:01 PM
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4. So, I guess this means there is still time to get out? n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:12 PM
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5. Thanks for posting this. n/t
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:02 PM
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7. You're welcome!
I thought it was a pretty important article.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:10 PM
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8. Bwahaha...
"...In June, 2002, bin Laden’s son Hamzah posted a message on an Al Qaeda Web site: “Oh, Father! Where is the escape and when will we have a home? Oh, Father! I see spheres of danger everywhere I look. . . . Tell me, Father, something useful about what I see.”

“Oh, son!” bin Laden replied. “Suffice to say that I am full of grief and sighs. . . . I can only see a very steep path ahead. A decade has gone by in vagrancy and travel, and here we are in our tragedy. Security has gone, but danger remains...."

:rofl:

"...In 1999, Suri sent bin Laden an e-mail accusing him of endangering the Taliban regime with his highly theatrical attacks on American targets. And he mocked bin Laden’s love of publicity: “I think our brother has caught the disease of screens, flashes, fans, and applause..."


(Sounds less like a 'terrorist' group and more like a flame war at MySpace)

"...Meanwhile, Zarqawi’s operatives had spread into Europe, where they forged documents and smuggled illegal aliens into the continent while gathering recruits for Iraq. One of his lieutenants, Amer el-Azizi, is a suspect in the March 11, 2004, train bombings in Madrid..." :rofl:

(Yeah...tell it to the Spanish who LIKE the US government did find a single link to AQ or Zarqawi or anyone...they did however find the links and contacts to the Anzar's military though.)

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If the 'ideological' differences of these players can be taken seriously, then if anything, it points to OTHER intelligence agencies trying to steer their 'coalition of the willing' objectives away from some targets and against others...("attack the Saudis or not attack the Saudis" "support the Taliban or not support the taliban" "be more moderate or not be more moderate" "include Iraq or not include Iraq"...too much)

Pfft...more evidence that the New Yorker has become a joke...even their arts reviews have become low-brow...

No citations whatsoever for anything as as wright is described in his biography: "Lawrence Wright is an author and screenwriter, and a staff writer for The New Yorker magazine." Link

Heavy on the screenwriting...

Tariq Ali's Guardian review of his Knopf's obligatory 9/11 anniversary book, "The Looming Towers: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11" link

    "...Wright has employed the vacuum-cleaner approach, collecting all the published material, sifting through it and then conducting dozens of interviews and doing a great deal of cross-checking. It is a murky tale. In a world dominated by dark shadows and in which a tenuous line often divides disinformation from fact, how is one to judge his informants? Wright is disarmingly frank.

    In a "note on sources", he writes that "lies and deceptions always pose a problem to a journalist trying to construct a truthful narrative ... in a project that largely relies on interviews with jihadis and intelligence operatives ... nor can one put too much faith in sworn testimony by witnesses who have already proved themselves to be crooks, liars and double agents"..."


Yes...let's not place TOO much faith in them...good caveat


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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:51 PM
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9. kickorino
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:03 PM
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10. What a read! but could anything be more depressing ?
Really an excellent article. Thanks fopr posting it. Recommended.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:11 PM
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11. kick
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:54 PM
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12. that whole issue sent chills up my spine
Some of them were GOOD chills too -- they had a fascinating article about a radically different interpretation of Islam.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060911fa_fact1

It was interspersed with photos of the aftermath of 9/11. As usual the magazine was packed with info on cultural events around NYC, and I sat there leafing through it and thinking that this kind of thing -- thoughtful, questioning, scholarly, respectful of different cultures -- is mistrusted by both bin Laden's group, and Bush's.

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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:27 PM
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13. An EXCELLENT article. Thanks for posting the link. nt
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