So my mom is not only a Bush-loving idiot, but a hypocrite to boot...

[BreweryYardRat]

She was ranting back in...2005 about Gonzalez being appointed AG because he was pro-torture. When I comment on wanting to flay bin Laden alive (let's face it, most people do, myself included), whether it's for info or not, she starts yammering about how we can't take extreme measures.

Cue a conversation with her today, and when I recalled that conversation and asked her what she thought of the Chimp-in-Chief's new push for pro-torture legislation she goes on and on about how if it's not passed "Russia and Iran might bring our CIA guys up on war crimes charges," and "oh, we can't tell who's a terrorist because they lie."

Idiot par excellence, ladies and gentlemen.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. Well you know what they say, we don't get to pick our families.

[cali]

2. Sorry you feel

that way about your mother, and sorry you feel the need to characterize her that way. As far as hyocricy goes, here's the quote I use most often here: "Only hypocrites can't forgive hypocricy".- E.M. Forester. Or in other words, who among us hasn't been guilty of hypocricy?

[BreweryYardRat]

7. Well, I changed the "Bush-...ing" adjective, once I cooled down.

It is my mom, after all.

And I could forgive her if this had made her see the light. I was hoping it would. It didn't.

[patricia92243]

13. Agreed - 100% n/t

[warrens]

3. Has she developed Alzheimers?

Torture doesn't get truth. It gets statements to stop the pain.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

4. sorry to here this, seawolf.

Sounds like she was on our side in 2005. Did something happen in the meantime to change her opinion?

[BreweryYardRat]

5. No, she just disagreed with Spunk-monkey on that issue.

She's been a drooling Repuke sheep since...at least 1996. I can't remember political stuff any farther back.

[Dhalgren]

6. I feel your pain.

My mother and one of my sisters are brain-dead, fascist Bushites; most of the rest of my family are unaware, disinterested droids. It has made me lose all feelings for, and connection to, my "family"...

[BreweryYardRat]

10. Sorry.

:hug:

[Dhalgren]

11. Thanks...

And back atcha :hug:

[FILAM23]

21. Anyone and I mean anyone

that would allow politics to come between them
and family are just too sad for words.

[Dhalgren]

25. Anyone who would remain close to someone who supports

murder, torture and the enslavement of whole peoples is just too sad for words...

[WI_DEM]

8. you say your mother is an "idiot par excellence", sounds like you

guys must have more fundamental problems than disagreement on politics. Families can be tough.

[BreweryYardRat]

9. Problems? Gee, no kidding.

If I get into it, it'll be a huge rant. Let's not.

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

12. It amazes me

How people lose so much perspective in politics that it affects their feelings and respect towards their close families, even in Dhalgern's case of:

It has made me lose all feelings for, and connection to, my "family"...

Get a grip people, if this is enough to make you feel as above, then you obiously have more problems with your family and this is just a symptom.

Letting politics get so contentious that it clouds your judgement towards your family is as bad as a family kicking someone out and cutting off contact because they are homosexual. It is petty and sick-minded.

Put things in perspective and figure out what is really important in your life. Give up your free-time or your money to fight for a political cause, but not your family.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Should I Have Taken Notes Of This Lecture?

Sheesh! The intellectual compatibility manifested in political differences would seem to be something one cannot just "get over". One should not feel obligated to be friends with family members. Families are merely genetic occurances, after all.

The Professor

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

16. And I thought Repugs were supposed to be the heartless ones

[ProfessorGAC]

18. They Are.

If you have a point, then make it.

Explain why i HAVE to like the people in my family. Where does such a rule come from?

I have memebers of my immediate family with whom i have NOTHING in common, except for DNA. Why would i care a whit about what they think, do, and care about? THEY ARE NOT MY FRIENDS! I'm merely related.

How is facing reality comparable to heartlessness?
The Professor

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

19. What rule

Says I have to pay for health care for someone else?
Says I have to pay to feed someone else?

The Progressive Party fights to use our tax dollars for these programs, where is the rule that says I have to care about people who I don't even know?

[ProfessorGAC]

22. The Golden Rule

Remember that? Somehow i think not!

Not wanting to associate with someone and actively seeing them suffer would seem to be quite different. If you don't see the difference, i pity your lack of perspective.

And, you still didn't answer the question. Not that i'm surprised.
The Professor

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

24. You are right, you win

I'll keep my emotional bonds, you live by your robotic rules.

Have fun.

[ProfessorGAC]

27. You're Acting Clueless

Have you not been paying attention?

I asked you what rules you had that meant i was SUPPOSED to do something. You offered nothing. I'm not the one with rules. You are!

And i did not once insult you. I have great relationships in my life. Some members of my family are not within that group.

I've been married for 26 years. I've had good and constant friends for 25 years or more. I am close with a brother and a sister, and always will be. You are utterly clueless about my emotional bonds. So, watch that "robotic" stuff. You would seem to be the one "programmed" in this discussion.

Last point: You seem to think that these "emotional bonds" are some abstraction. They only come from the human interaction that comes from intellectual compatability and mutual interests. Therefore, politics are not something that comes between two people otherwise compatible. Those differences are a manifestation of the existing incompatibilities.

NOW i win!
The Professor

[prolesunited]

26. Hard to argue logic with emotion

:hi:

That said, we have several family members on both sides that we don't discuss politics or social issues with because of the inevitable fights that ensue. I've found that I have been able to enjoy their company much more and see that they have other things to offer.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Well, You Don't Know My Family Members

I know what you're saying. These people have NOTHING in common with me. NADA!

We can avoid politics, or religion, or social issues, and i would still have nothing to discuss with them.

My point, the whole time, was that the poster was lecturing others on how they shouldn't let politics interfere with relationships. Tsk tsk tsk!

Well, what if there's no relationship anyway. The difference in political POV may just be a manifestation that two family members already are so divergent that there is no place for a relationship to survive.

The Professor

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

31. And you missed my point

which was that if politics can affect your relationship, then there were deeper rooted problems that should be recognized and addressed. If exiting the relationship is the way they are addressed then that is the way it is and best for some folks.

What I was (perhaps ham-handedly) speaking about was the callous impression that folks give when it comes to a difference of political opinions dividing families and friends. If all else is great and fine, then a political difference is a petty reason to end ties with a friend or family member.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. All I Can Say Is. . .

. . .if you say so. I NEVER said i ended any relationships with anyone over politics. That was your inference. All i ever stated was that nobody should feel they've done anything wrong if they're not friends with their relatives. Because, sometimes you just have nothing in common, and that's what causes the differences.

I never missed your point. I think you're wrong. That's a completely different thing. It appears you're confusing cause and effect. Therefore, you missed my point.

Next!

The Professor

[BreweryYardRat]

15. Yeah, but her politics are part of the problem.

She's senile and has no common sense, and her politics reflect that. I'm not going to disown her for it, but it would be a hell of a lot easier to deal with her other problems if she wasn't chugging Kool-Aid.

My dad, who is a Goldwater Republican, is in excellent mental health. I love him unrestrainedly.

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

17. True Mental Health Issue?

Tough road ahead for you.

Good luck, seems like your family has its hands full helping out your mom.

[BreweryYardRat]

20. I'm not sure.

She sure as hell acts senile sometimes. She might just be getting old (turns 54 in December). I dunno.

[mtnester]

23. Old is 54???

I am almost 47 so I must be teetering on the "old" border

shame shame :)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

34. Amen

My parents were staunch Republicans and voted for Goldwater, for heaven's sake.

I loved them and respected them. Their politics were theirs, not mine.

[petronius]

29. That's some scary logic in there...

It's not even that we should torture known terrorists for info, it's that we should torture suspected terrorists to find out if they're lying about not being terrorists! :scared: This attitude is a lot more common than just your mom, I'm afraid...

I have a family of Rs as well; actually, I have a family that will agree with every single criticism of Bush, but the idea that Ds are pure evil is so deeply ingrained in them that they are unable to consider any non-R voting option. However, we have enough in common (including the non-political dislike of some of our other relations!:)) that we can get along just fine...

[Ishoutandscream2]

30. Once again, Bush has been a uniter, not a divider

:sarcasm:

[ninkasi]

32. How sad for you

to have your mother so deluded by Dubya's lies. One bright spot in my life is that my grown children and nieces are liberals. It makes life so much easier, and we regularly call each other, or e-mail each other, to discuss the outrage of the day. It seems true, that there is a new outrage if not every day, every few days.

I don't know what to say to you, because I'm sure you love your mom. Sometimes, having a loved one who is blinded by all of the hypocrisy of this regime is the worst pain of all. How can any of us accept a loved one who follows Bush blindly, even to the point of think torture is ok, as long as we're the ones doing it?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

33. That whole family loyality

thing isn't big with you, huh?