Is the Jesus Camp Banner on the DU Home Page appropriate?

[Perky]

This is not a defense of the Movie or the Fundy right. I certainly am not suggesting the movie is anthing other than as described. I start with the assumnption that it is accurate in what it says. I DO NOT IN ANYWAY THINK THAT THIS IS "PERSECUTION".

Having said that and given the notable back and forth between Christians DUers and those who don't like or perhaps trust Christians, all I am asking is whether or not the admins have stepped over the some sort of line here.

I don't diagree with the admins view but I am somehow offended that they would banner this movie themselves rather than let it play out on the board while staying above the fray in more of a neutral stance.

Thoughts? And lets keep this civil?

edit for typo

[hippiechick]

1. If you research it, it is not a 'fundie' flick.

Quite the opposite, actually. So yeah it's appropriate, IMO.


:hi:

[Perky]

4. I never said it was

I recogonize it is an expose

[Warpy]

2. This flick is not complimentary

which you'd know if you'd watched the trailer.

I can see why a lot of people would find the banner offensive. Fanatacism and training children in hatred and violence are usually offensive.

However, I found the neon floozie on an MSRNC sex expose ad last summer more offensive.

That's the problem with censorship. We're all offended by different things.

[Nomad559]

3. Jesus Camp Movie Trailers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x27440

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. The as does not bother me. In fact, I am glad that someone is

revealing the dark things that go on in the name of Christ, such as spiritual abuse and brainwashing.

[Perky]

6. I guess my question is

whether or not the admins should be doing this or the community should be doing this in the forums Note that I am not certain why I am offended. It may just be that it amps up the infighting here on DU and its not the proper role for the admins to throw oil on the fire.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. All the ads get ppl wound up, but we know the ads are a necessary thing

to keep DU afloat.

I am sure I would be ticked if a "Greens are really Repukes" ad turned up, but I know why the ads are there so I would just suck it up rather than start a flamefest.

[blogslut]

10. nevermind

n/t

[peteatomic]

7. Is fundamentalism able to co-exist with democratic society?

I don't believe so, imho. The prescription of strict religious law is anti-democratic because it is based on the acceptance of that law by a community of believers who explicitly advocate conversion of non-believers-- and in that atmosphere a pluralistic society ceases to exist. The fundamentalist movement in the US is struggling for a fundamentalist society.

Note that I didn't write that the fundamentalist movement is struggling for a Christian society.

[Perky]

11. A bit off topic and a bit of an overreach inho

There is a differernce bewteen Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism and Dominionism.

The fundies want the world to follow the dictates set out in scripture and they seek to push that doctrine into the public square through political work or policy.
But evangelicals believe that we can not ask the world to do do anything if they are not in our community already and even then you get into many many different shades of grey.

THe DOminionist think they have the God given right to simply take over.

In essence, the fundies and the dommionist to a greater degree have seased to care about conversion at all. Nvermind aout Jesus. JUst follow our rules and we will all be better off for it. It is truly very scary for the evangelcial community

[peteatomic]

22. Sure, there are political struggles within the religious fundie..

conservative movement, and certainly, there are fundie types who are outside their subgroup and actually leftist or left-leaning (maybe few, I don't know), however many of these people have very similar end goals, whether they are fundie/evangelical,etc..for example, it is very difficult to make a political slice off someone like Pat Robertson, who is on one hand very literal in his understanding of the Canon, and somehow seperate that from his worldwide proslytization (sic) efforts.

The common thread to these types are their fundamentalism, with the idea of evangelizing a means to an end of spreading fundamentalism.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. I don't think the admin have put it there themselves

Because I don't see it at all - I suspect it's just another of the advertisements. Or perhaps it has only just disappeared - I don't normally go to the front page, but I don't see it there now. If it was just another of the advertisements, then different people (eg me, in the UK) get different ads, and it's not up to Skinner et al.

I have had Karl Rove's ugly mug appearing on DU pages with ads for the past week, and from a purely aesthetic point of view, I hate that ...

[Perky]

14. Fair point. If it is just advertising I am ok with it

It is now gone. But it was a very large ad in the middle of the page. not one of the small ones on the left. I am bookedmarked to the G-d page not the home page so I do not go there all that often.... it was large centered and very prominent. I amy well have made an incorrect assumption.

[Skinner]

12. It's a movie that should be of interest to our members...

...including our Christian members. Which is why they have chosen to advertise the movie here.

I don't think we have any DUers that would fit the "Jesus Camp" mold. Having watched the trailers and read reviews, I'm feeling quite confident that even DUers of faith would be alarmed by the extremists in this movie.

I guess I don't really get any of the controversy here.

[Perky]

15. Thanks for the clarifcation skinner , Irwas in fact an advert. (edits)

I thought incorrectly that it was something that the admins had put together. My mistake.

you can kill this thread if you wish.

[Skinner]

17. I'm going to leave the thread open for now.

Because a number of people still seem confused about the ad.

To be clear, I'm not picking on you. But I am genuinely perplexed by the fact that there is *any* controversy about the ad (other than the fact that it shows up a lot).

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, this isn't a film that glorifies the Religious Right.

[Perky]

19. I don't care for tne name of the movie

MOstly because Fundamentalism shockingly has less and less to do with Jesus and more and more to do with the imposition of Old Testament Moral standards on a pluralistic society. It infers that Jesus was as miliant as these pharasaical zealots are and it disparages Jesus.

Other than that....let her rip...

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Gee the radical religious right is organizing an army

of brainwashed idiots to kill us. But we best be polite and not mention it so as not to offend the religiously sensitive. OK. See you in the camps.

[Perky]

16. Now that would be flame bait. haha

[KurtNYC]

18. There are a lot of ads here for things that I have no interest in but

that is just the nature of advertising.

"Republican ringtones"?! -- at least the Jesus Camp thing is somewhat accurately targeted

[ProdigalJunkMail]

20. yes, I think this should be there for informational purposes

this movie is about the politization of religion...and shows quite clearly what some of these people might desire to do if they are able to break down separation of church and state. I am a Christian (and probably a 'fundie' by the standards of many here...except I swear like a sailor) and this scares me...badly.

sP

[holboz]

21. Now now! Let's not be what we dispise...!

We often critize the other side for attacking and be critical of things they haven't fully researched themselves.

The attacks on the Jesus Camp movie here at DU stem from not fully researching the movie.

I haven't seen it but the clips that I have seen on the website appear to shine a light on a movement that is disturbing and nothing short of brainwashing. It looks like these adults are turning these kids into Chrstian-fascists who are willing to "lay down their life for the Gospel".

It looks like this is a very enlightening movie and needs to be shown as this is what the Republican party has wrought!