Govt. Releases New Cockamamie Anthrax Theory

[Atman]

Obviously that isn't the real headline from today's paper, but it might as well have been. In efforts, I am sure, to insulate themselves from one more little thorny terra issue prior to 2006-2008 elections, the government issued a story today indicating that the five-year-old anthrax attacks are still unsolved not because of the complexity of the processing process, rather, now it appears it is so easy to make anthrax that virtually anyone can do it, and now there are just soooooo many people that could have done it, perhaps we'll never know.

Yeah, right.

Very clever. Why didn't they think of that one sooner?

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-anthrax0922.artsep22,0,968409.story?coll=hc-headlines-home

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[acmejack]

1. They need an alternate theory desperately

Otherwise they would have to account for why some one could explain how some would go through triple layers of security into an exclusion area, the highest level of security there is & stroll out with militarized anthrax. To put it into perspective, it is on a par with somebody stealing a vial of plutonium from a nuclear laboratory.

[Warpy]

2. The plutonium's easier to steal

and could be done so with far less environmental contamination. All you'd need would be the lead container. It would be heavy as hell so you'd want to send somebody who can bench press 200 pounds, but it can be done.

Weaponized anthrax, on the other hand, volatizes through the air very quickly. Think cigar smoke in an airplane hangar: five minutes after the cigar is lit, everybody all over the place is smelling it.

It can only be handled within a high level containment facility, otherwise the environment is heavily contaminated. There is no way those envelopes could have been filled and the exteriors scrubbed outside the point of origin. Fort Detrick's high level containment lab.

This was an inside job from the beginning, it could only be an inside job, and they're scrambling to convince the ignorant otherwise.

If weaponized anthrax were that easy to make, all nations would have it. Even Saddam Hussein dropped his experiments using bentonite to abrade the exterior coating on the bug and the weaponization process in the US is a well kept secret.

That secret is much better kept than the fact that this was at least a CIA operation to test their new weapon on enemies of the state: Democrats and the media.

[acmejack]

3. Great point.

I was recalling the stringent security procedures for half ton nuclear weapons. You could hardly put one in your pocket and carry it away. I am sure it would be tighter for an area with tiny vials, such as Ft Dietrich.

We would have inspections regular and surprise, that were to an incredible level of detail, there were armed guards authorized to kill anyone they didn't recognize who wasn't escorted by someone they did know and even then the person had to be properly badged and logged in. There were multiple levels of access, layers upon layers of security.

With your added handling considerations, the case becomes even more convincing. I wasn't aware of the volatility. The cigar smoke analogy is really excellent, thank you for that explanation, Warpy!

btw, I used to go by there all the time, I always thought it was a support facility for Camp David-Doh!

[indepat]

4. Cockamamie stories proliferate from cockalorums

[gratuitous]

5. They've ignored this story for years

I wonder why the Bush administration felt it had to address this now? Well, to the "Unabomber" case, add "Amerithrax" as another shining example of America's investigative prowess. And yet they say "trust us" when it comes to identifying, apprehending, and torturing "terrorists." Yeah, no way you guys would screw up something that important.

[IChing]

7. I'm glad they brought the news up for the public to look at

I brought this up on DU when they started dragging the dead bodies of 3000 americans
that died by either our government's neglect or involvement in 911
into the our national consciousness for election purposes.

Anthrax got the patriot bill passed, a bill that was written way before 911, prepared before hand,
just ready to be pushed through Congress' and all it took was the Anthrax.

Now they tell us we can get anthrax, a secret military anthrax from anywhere.

This was not the work of a Timothy McVey, but the final piece to the fascist takeover of our constitution and government.

If anyone thinks if the government can and does torture that they wouldn't use anthrax? Give me a break.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. MOTIVES

1. control the media
2. control democratic leaders
3. buy billions of dollars worth of Cipro, from BAYER, an old Bush family friend from Prescott Bush's Days!
4. bail Bayer out, because they were being made to pay for war crimes committed against the Jews by the parent company of Bayer(IG Farben)during WW II.

Auschwitz: 60 Year Anniversary-- the Role of IG Farben-Bayer

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005

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Parallel to the tests by Behringwerke and Bayer Leverkusen the chemical-pharmaceutical and serologic-bacteriological department at Hoechst started experimenting on Auschwitz prisoners with their new typhus fever preparation "3582". The first series of tests had results that were far from satisfactory. Of the 50 test persons 15 died; the typhus fever drug led to vomiting and exhaustion. Part of the concentration camp Auschwitz was quarantined, which led to an extension of the tests to the concentration camp in Buchenwald. In the journal of the "department for typhus fever and viral research of the concentration camp Buchenwald" we find on January 10th, 1943: "As suggested by the IG Farbenindustrie A.G. the following were tested as typhus fever medications: a) preparation 3582 of the chem. pharm. and sero-bact. Department Hoechst - Prof. Lautenschläger and Dr. Weber - (therapeutic test A), b) methylene blue, formerly tested on mice by Prof. Kiekuth, Elberfeld (therapeutic test M)."

The first and also the second series of therapeutic tests, held in Buchenwald between March 31st and April 11th 1943, had negative results due to insufficient contamination of the tested prisoners. Neither did the experiments in Auschwitz have evident successes.

The scientific value of all these experiments, whether ordered by the IG Farben or not, was in fact zero. The test persons were in bad physical condition, caused by forced labor, insufficient and wrong nutrition and diseases in the concentration camp. Add to this the generally bad sanitary circumstances in the laboratories. "The test results in the concentration camps, as the IG laboratory specialists should know, could not be compared to results made under normal circumstances".

The SS physician Dr. Hoven testified to this during the Nuremberg Trial: "It should be generally known, and especially in German scientific circles, that the SS did not have notable scientists at its disposal. It is clear that the experiments in the concentration camps with IG preparations only took place in the interests of the IG, which strived by all means to determine the effectiveness of these preparations. They let the SS deal with the - shall I say - dirty work in the concentration camps. It was not the IG's intention to bring any of this out in the open, but rather to put up a smoke screen around the experiments so that (...) they could keep any profits to themselves. Not the SS but the IG took the initiative for the concentration camp experiments."

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/01/27a.php

KEYCODE BAYER #14

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Holocaust survivor sues BAYER

A survivor of the Holocaust sued the pharmaceutical giant Bayer in federal court, accusing the company of collaborating in wartime atrocities by Nazi doctors who experimented on Jews. The lawsuit, believed to be the first of its kind in the world, seeks U.S. District Court approval to cover all those who can be shown to have been experimented on by the Nazis with Bayer's involvement. Eva Mozes Kor, among the 1,500 sets of twins experimented on by the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele, claims that Bayer monitored and supervised medical experiments at the Nazi concentration camp where she was interned. She claims the experiments involved toxic chemicals that Bayer provided.
In some of the experiments, the lawsuit states, prisoners were injected with germs known to cause diseases, "to test the effectiveness of various drugs" manufactured by Bayer. "It's impossible to put on a scale the various horrors of the Holocaust; but this case represents the worst example of individual and corporate evil that the legal system may ever see," said Irwin B. Levin, one of several lawyers handling this class-action case and a prior lawsuit that won reparations for Holocaust victims from banks in Switzerland.

According to Levin, Bayer paid Nazi officials during World War II for access to those confined in the camps and collaborated in Nazi experiments as a form of research and development. The lawsuit seeks unspecified punitive damages and the recovery of profits it maintains Bayer earned as a result of such research.

Kor is represented in her lawsuit by five of the 10 U.S. law firms that were appointed by a federal judge in New York to handle litigation against Swiss banks. The banks were targeted for their business transactions with Nazis who stole hundreds of millions of dollars in Jewish assets. Evidence of the Nazis' bank deposits in Switzerland surfaced in recent years as wartime records were declassified. That litigation recently was settled on behalf of Holocaust survivors for $1.25 billion.

Levin, who has worked with Cohen & Malad co-counsel Richard Shevitz on the Holocaust cases, said there is a significant distinction between the case against the Swiss banks and the case against Bayer. "Even though we had direct evidence of the Swiss banks' refusal to release monies that they knew belonged to Holocaust victims and survivors, there was never a suggestion that the banks directly participated in the atrocities at the camps. "In this case, Bayer actually performed some of those atrocities," Levin said.

http://www.cbgnetwork.org/450.html

FINANCIAL COMPENSATION

FOR NAZI SLAVE LABORERS

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1999-OCT-5: Organizations which represent survivors of Nazi-era slave labor placed newspaper ads and held press conferences in order to publicize their plight. One ad which targets Ford said: "We were treated like animals." Another said: "Bayer over the purchase price of 150 female prisoners on whim to test a sleeping medication...Bayer found $80 per woman too high a price. They ultimately bought them for less." Rudy Kennedy, a survivor from London, said during a B'nai Brith news conference: "The corporations who exploited us and who, in genocidal partnership with the SS, murdered our friends and relatives have grown rich...They are worth countless billions." Neither side appears willing to talk in terms of compensation amounts. One rumor is that the German businesses were willing to pay 3.8 billion and that the survivors had asked for 20 billion. Both figures have been denied.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fin_nazi.htm

Prescott Bush had direct ties to IG Farben/Bayer/Nazis

IG Farben to be dissolved

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1549092.stm

Bayer Crop Science / Crop Life America Plotted Bush Human Pesticide Testing Policy

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/181/52/

BAYER and the UN Global Compact

How a major chemical and pharmaceutical company bluewashes its image

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Corporate Lobbying

Bayer also leverages its economic clout in the political arena. Since the 1920’s the company has financed German political parties and has formed business associations in order to increase its influence on politics and the media. Several of Bayer´s managers became ministers in German governments. Today BAYER is a member of hundreds of lobby groups tackling 'trade barriers' like environmental or health & safety laws. The European Round Table of Industrialists effectively writes big chunks of EU corporate legislation. BAYER also helped set up the Transatlantic Business Dialogue, where European and US multinationals work together to influence policy in the direction of greater liberalisation and deregulation. The World Business Council for Sustainable Development, another corporate coterie of which BAYER is part, helped 'hijack' the UN Earth Summit in Rio in 1992, and continues to promote the idea that issues like climate change are safest left in the hands of multinational corporations. Other lobby groups in which BAYER takes an active role are the International Chamber of Commerce, the Global Crop Protection Federation and the German Verband der Chemischen Industrie and Bundesverband der Deutschen Industrie. BAYER supported President Bush´s electoral campaign with $120,000. In the last five years BAYER has handed out more than $600,000 to US politicians.

http://www.cbgnetwork.org/271.html

Bush could have bought pills in the US besides CIPRO, that would have protected people from anthrax, but he owed Bayer a favor. I think George came out of the anthrax thing the big winner.

[Ganja Ninja]

8. You left out drumming up suspicion of Saddam by stagging ...

a false flag attack then floating a bogus story about mobile bio-weapons labs.

[Hubert Flottz]

9. The reasons bush would have been the real winner in the case

just keep adding up. Who else had that much to gain?

[Ganja Ninja]

13. And who else had access to military grade anthrax?

Who could have pulled off the crime without spreading unintended contamination that would serve a trail of bread crumbs leading right back to the source? A terrorist presumably wouldn't care who he kills in the process of mailing the stuff.

Only someone with military grade anthrax, the proper equipment for handling it, the ability to use that equipment in secret and unobserved could have pulled this off. Government agents, either CIA or military intelligence or some GOP black op's squad operating with official government sanction are the most likely culprits.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. The Spooks knew it would cause a stampede after the scare on

9/11! The PNAC played the cowards in this country like a two dollar fiddle! The Spooks were ready with the "Patriot Act" before 9/11, that should tell us a hell of alot.

I was not fooled and I had hoped that our leaders were a hell of a lot smarter than me!

[Supersedeas]

10. weren't they saying that the substance was "military-grade"-lending

support the Iraq may be behind it....now, any Joe-Bob Disgruntled Freeper of multiple stripes from Bangor to Baco Raton could have targeted our nationals capital from his basement with his grade school scientificimic Dexter's lab kit.

[Ganja Ninja]

11. It might be easy to make but it's not easy to make or handle ...

without contaminating the whole neighborhood. It's also not easy to weaponize in the matter this anthrax was.

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Another Clue?

The GOP controlled all the House committees, but at the time the democrats still controlled all the Senate committees. The DEMOCRATS who got the letters with the powder in them, just happened to be the most powerful members of the Senate.

[librechik]

15. they tried that one early on; didn't fly

the anthrax was "militarized meaning not any damn fool could make it. these idiots keep recycling their excuses believeing everyone will foirget the BS they served up yesterday.

[IChing]

16. Lie, upon lie, upon lie, upon lie

What, only three nominations?