Are the Congressional Dems asleep or just freakin' stupid?

[Roland99]

Even my local news commented that the Dems have been SILENT on this torture deal.


:banghead:



Another opportunity wasted.

[wagthedogwar]

1. Oh, you mean the 'woman's party'?

They're just afraid of their abusive republican husband, Joe Sixpack.

Don't worry, she'll be fine once she gets the deed to the House.

[leftchick]

2. I have been saying this for a week

another total loser "strategy". When the fuck are they going to get a clue?

:banghead:

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. They need to find soldiers who actually survived wars

because their enemies followed the Geneva Conventions. Also, they need to come up with ex-CIA people who will do commercials to say that torture methods are counter-productive.

[leftchick]

5. I think it is too late

they had a week to scream about tortire and they chose to stand back and let the repukes have at it. Bad move again! Now the repukes own "we are tough on terra" for the election. 2006 is toast! again.

:(

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Actually, the Republicans stole the thunder by claiming they would

filibuster the bill. The Dems, once again, took them at their word.

[Tesha]

13. Based upon past performance, I'd have to say: "Never."

> When the fuck are they going to get a clue?

Based upon past performance, I'd have to say: "Never." :(

Tesha

[stella]

3. They are useless

I predict republicans are going to retain the house and the Senate and I fault the silent minority for it.
Lately starting with Hilary Clinton the democrats say they are offended that some world leaders are attacking their president. ok, defend that warmonger torturer idiot.Karl rove must be laughing his ass off to see democrats falling on each other to defend the idiot president.

[Stinkfoot]

7. Too Gutless to Lead

The Democrats are just hoping the public will turn control of Congress over to them without them having to do anything. When the few courageous democrats, like Murtha or Feingold stand up and take a stand, the others scatter like cockroaches when the light is turned on. America is dying for real moral leadership and all we get is triangulation. The public is disgusted with congress, both Republican and Democratic. The republicans for leading us into disaster and the democrats for playing politics instead of offering alternatives.

[GeorgeGist]

8. I heard one political pundit claim...

that the Dems should sit back and let the Pugs fight it out.

[Solly Mack]

9. my insignificant "ponderings"

I've heard the "the GOP pulls this stunt near elections to force Democrats to take a stand that would cause them to look as if they are soft of national security" excuse

And let's say that's true...


All that excuse tells me is the GOP outwitted the Democratic Party...again.

If it's a "stunt" the GOP is always pulling, then it can't be a surprise stunt that catches anyone off guard...(fail to plan, plan to fail and all that)

So...why not meet this "stunt" head on?

Then there's the ever with us excuse of "people don't pay attention to the issues and what is really going on, so they are fooled by such stunts"

Well...then how about making a point of telling the people how they are manipulated?

Oh, but then you get..."if you tell people they are being manipulated, you offend the center and swing voters...no one wants to hear they are stupid"

Never mind that even the intelligent can be manipulated (so being stupid isn't the issue)...no one is immune. Just got to find the right button and anyone can be quacking on command.


Then there's "the Democrats can use this as an election slogan - the GOP supports torture"

Why is that a good thing? To allow the torture to continue so it can be used as an election slogan?
To not speak up now from fear of losing an election later? What? I can't speak up against torture because I might lose? That's a reasonable excuse?

So it's best not to speak out because "good" political strategy demands silence?

Silence?

on Torture?

Silence on torture is a good thing?

So more people will be tortured because in the long run, that's good and it benefits the Democratic Party?

We can't save people from being tortured now but we'll get the guilty later?

We will? Honestly? Does anyone really believe that? In your heart of hearts, do you really think the guilty will be imprisoned for their crimes?

So one day in the future Bush is out of office and all is better because keeping quiet on torture was sound political strategy?

America will still be a war crime nation. America will still have supported, condoned and propped up war criminals.

Won't matter that Bush is out of office...Bush leaving will in NO way change our status as a war crime nation.

And if you can't speak out against torture now, who is going to take you serious later?

Won't the GOP just say, "Sure, the Democratic Party is saying that now, but at the time, all they gave was silence"

And aren't we taught that silence is consent?



For me, it's real simple. Torture is wrong. Shredding our basic laws is wrong. Ripping a part our Constitution is wrong. Speaking out, even at great cost, is the right thing to do.

You speak out against injustices even if that means your death.

You stand up for what's right even if it means you'll be killed for it.

And if ever there was a time for standing up, it's now.

This is just a small part of the "conversations" going on in my head.

[Roland99]

10. The day Reid, Clinton, Pelosi et al understand your thoughts is the day

the Dems finally get a clue.


I don't see it happening anytime soon.


:(

[treestar]

11. Afraid of appearing "weak" on terra, they continue to let the Rethugs

control the agenda.

[The Gunslinger]

12. Not asleep nor stupid

They're just paid for by the same corporations.

If ALL the Dems do not vote against torture and fight El Diablo on this, I will officially change my voter card to independent. This is too important.

[Roland99]

14. I had switched from Repub to Ind. and then to Dem (to vote in primary)

but I was too late in registering as Dem to vote in the KY primaries.

I see myself going back to Ind. very soon.