Your feelings on the Democratic response, as a party, on the torture issue

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/13/abughraib_dog_torture_430,0.jpg

[msongs]

1. Torture is a Republican FAMILY VALUE - is there a Dems response? nt

[annabanana]

2. I think of myself as fairly flinty-eyed...

and as cynical as I need to be. But I cannot allow this kind of transgression to be "just one of those things"

[mike_c]

3. this is the congressional equivalent of the SCOTUS throwing...

...the 2000 election, IMO. Congressional dems will be complicit if they do not act-- they must do WHATEVER it takes to save America's principles. If we lose those ideals, then the only thing left is venality and greed. Corporate profits. Is that all America stands for?

[MannyGoldstein]

4. They're Saving it For Worse

You people have it all wrong!

The Fightin' Dems are keepin' their powder dry for the coming invasion of intergalactic beings from Pluto. They found out that we don't respect their celestial home as a planet no more, and they're a-commin'!

Hillary herself has volunteered to attack 'em first, with her golden triangles of death!

[Individualist]

6. ROFL

You made me laugh out loud in spite of my vehement disgust at the lack of opposition to the fascist outrage(s).

[Blackthorn]

10. You mean the Triangles of XInthar

That make the Diamond on Pantheos?

You know?



Bar-bu-ra. Bar-bu-ra.

and

Mega-Poitier. Mega-Poitier

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Uh

Gabba Gabba Hey?

(Sorry, I'm old school)

[Blackthorn]

13. It was South Park, first season

A tad obscure, but amusing nonetheless.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Response? Was there one?

[chill_wind]

7. Voted, kicked and recommended.

Words really CAN"T convey the anger and disgust I am feeling at this moral and legal abandonment of this issue by the Dems. A sad new low for my party.

[IChing]

8. It was as good as Clinton's lawsuit or response to the ABC movie

Path to 911

LAME

[Hell Hath No Fury]

9. Does this letter I faxed to Pelosi...

say enough???

Ms. Pelosi:

I have just read that you called the democratically elected leader of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, an "everyday thug" because of his remarks before the UN body. This remark of yours at a time when Democrats are simply sitting on the sidelines, watching the GOP "catfight" over the repugnant legislation that would absolve the Bush Administration of the crimes committed against detainees and would twist the Geneva Conventions galls me to no end.

Having voted for you every time you have run for office, I feel I have the right to ask this:

Just when the HELL are you and the other Democrats in going to start acting like real leaders?

You sure are quick to label Chavez a "thug", but when it comes time to criticize in such plain and straightforward language the REAL thug, George W. Bush, you and the majority of the Democrats tip toe around, afraid of your own shadows and of how Karl Rove may try to spin your words and actions.

GROW A DAMN SPINE.

I want LEADERS who are fearless in the pursuit of moral truth and the protection of our country and the United States Constitution. If you can't find that moral and political strength within you to do what needs doing, then move the hell over and let someone who DOES have the job.

Chavez was wrong when he called George W. Bush the Devil (we all know Dick Cheney is the real Devil), but the fact that his comments were received enthusiastically and applauded by the UN body, tells you just how much damage the Bush Administration has done to our country.

I wish I would see as much righteous indignation for you on THAT matter, as your vitriol for Chavez.

Hell Hath No Fury
San Francisco

[Robbien]

12. Love it. It is just Perfect

She pops up with an opinion on a matter which means nothing to our country. But sits trembling in the corner when real issues such as torture are being established as a rule of law.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

14. Good letter (n/t)

[bobthedrummer]

15. How remarkable, the BFEE is now close to becoming totalitarian.

[mmonk]

16. 'nuff said.

They can no longer hold the high ground internationally. They can't mention human rights abuses of other countries without being absolutely and unequivocally hypocritical. They can't be taken seriously in any international forum regarding the behavour of others concerning human rights. They really don't have any right to call any other world leader a thug. But worse than that, they no longer represent me, they are just my choice for the lesser of two evils.

[warrens]

17. They haven't seen the actual deal

And probably won't until five minutes before the vote. Tough to reply to what you can't see. However, I expect that we'll see a few choice blasts, and perhaps a filibuster, if it contains what NPR claims it does. To wit: Waterboarding good, all CIA immune from prosecution unless they nearly kill someone.