Will you people PLEASE stop calling Bush incompetent???

[FourScore]

I was reading on another forum once again about how incompetent GWB is. This is such a dangerous supposition. It's not that the guy is incompetent, in fact, he fills his role quite nicely -- if you consider him a public puppet for Cheney and the neo-cons.

Listen, I think the man is very dangerous. I think all of them are. But if you stop and think about all of the goals they have had from the very beginning -- they have accomplished quite a bit for themselves. They came in wanting war with Iraq, and guess what? They got a war with Iraq. They wanted to accomplish the military goals outlined by the PNAC, and guess what? They're right on target with that crap. They wanted unprecedented tax cuts for the wealthiest among us, and guess what? They got 'em! They wanted to curtail our civil liberties by riding (LIHOP-ing? MIHOP-ing?) the 9/11 tragedy...yep, done that too. They wiretap, torture, detain people without legal counsel, enrich their oil friends and Halliburton buddies, manipulate intelligence --all without repurcussions! No! These people are definitely NOT incompetent. They just do not share the same priorities as you or I. Now they want to legalize torture! HERE! In AMERICA -- we're discussing legalizing torture!!!! And guess what? The recommendations to legalize torture just passed in Committee last night! This is not incompetence.

What about Katrina you say? The disaster in Iraq? The huge deficits? Listen, people...they don't CARE about those things. They have there own agenda. We all have to ask ourselves, what are they getting out of it? But never allow ANYONE to use the "incompetent" argument anymore. This administration knows EXACTLY what they are doing and it is a very dangerous agenda.


Before I sign off, try to imagine 10 years ago, and imagine someone had said to you : "Guess what? in just 10 years from now you will live in an America where the President wiretaps Americans for their own good, tortures at will and will turn America more and more into a police state. You will be at war with two nations and threatening a third. Your country will have enormous deficits and your government will be reviled around the world. And guess what else? Congress will rubberstamp anything this President wants." What would you have said then?

Please don't say he is incompetent. That's waaaayy too easy an out for this guy. He is merely criminal. And a very dangerous one at that.

[Captain Hilts]

1. When the Prez and Veep contradict each other, and when the Prez...

condradicts himself about major policy within days, you can't help but wonder who's in control, if anyone.

[focusfan]

14. Maybe it`s Jerry Falwell?or John Hagee

[jhrobbins]

2. Good point (I almost made an acronym of your name here)...

and decided better of it since ....well, you know why.

[FourScore]

3. ROFLOL!!!

I honestly never noticed that before!!! Uh oh, I might have to change it now!!!
:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

4. You're so right. It's the failure of conservatism, not Bush**.

Bush Is Not Incompetent:
http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/incompetent

Framing Katrina:
http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/framingkatrina

NGU.

[sweetheart]

11. big government conservatism is bankrupt

Even conservatives the world over, are aware that their careers will outlast bush,
and that his brand has been a flop. If there could be a way for Mr. Gore to run,
it would be most truly excellent.

It behooves us to lay off bush and everywhere "*" is written, to replace it with
republicans, GOP, and don't let them get off with ducking him off.

[ClassWarrior]

12. I don't think we should "lay off" Bush**. I think we should IMPEACH him.

But we need to tie him and his crimes and his cronies and their conservatism all into one giant fetid ball of corruption. People need to know when Dubya** and Dick** resign in disgrace that this is what Rape-publican rule brings us.

Remember the McCarthy! Remember the Nixon!! Remember the Delay!!!

NGU.

[sweetheart]

15. You know, that was my position for years

But i took the sticker off... its 2 years left, my keychain says 851 days 5 hours 17 minutes left
Its a waste of political capital when electoral gains can be won with that momentum, we win by
being excellent ourselves ultimately, transcending our enemy's irrelevance. Dems must impeach
him in deed and word, surely in a court of law, but that is no longer possible given the depth
of the brainwashing, they are set on doom, like hitler's downfall, they can't change course,
nobody dares breathe the ill tidings and they are ignored, the country is being held hostage
by about 20 people, truth be told, and we can't do shit about it, because those people
have been preparing for a prison uprising their entire lifetimes.

[ClassWarrior]

17. Bullshit.

Never Give Up.

[sweetheart]

21. Never give up....

I want a new constitution. I have no trust in any existing institution,
not a one, and you're saying to me never to give up.

I sell out by pretending to be partisan when i am a person who wants justice,
and i want the whole criminal gang hanged for what they done, as i want
the world to see how americans deal with war criminals, at home or abroad.

But i can put that chip down as well, and be pragmatic with limited resources.
Impeachment is not possible without winning the congress, and even then,
all it will do is deadlock the country to a standstill whilst the economy
and the wars go spoilt in a sea of debt. The sooner he's out the better,
but the processes of thsi broken consttution are totally failed and cannot
operate within years.. and i want a new constitution, a digital one where
we all have voting rights to change the government every day, where no
kings or lordmasters are dictating us in to war, but rather our common sense,
getting back to fixing what is broken and proving to be the go-to party, when
the chips are down.

[Name removed]

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[populistdriven]

6. Will you people PLEASE stop calling Bush Pedo???

he is not a pedometer so stop it now..

:evilgrin:

[az chela]

9. well we sure as hell cant call him speedo,retard works for me

also torturer,murderer,sick son of a bitch comes to mind

[az chela]

7. You are so right about this

Bush always gets what he wants,he is a manipulator and uses any means possible to get his own way.
As long as he and the repukes are in office we are in BIG trouble!!!!
And ass kissing mccain plays the game as well as bush co.
Scary future for this planet if this doesnt change soon!!!!

[rhiannon55]

8. You're right

It's fun to laugh at him, but the man is simply an immoral front man for an immoral regime.

They are very good at what they do. And they scare the hell out of me.

[ClassWarrior]

19. That's the twist. We have fun laughing at him, and in the process...

...we promote a meme that is highly useful to the regime.

NGU.

[kerstin]

22. Precisely.

Just look at how they played that up at the last White House Correspondents dinner. Goofy, lovable village idiot. Some shtick.

[npincus]

10. so then, is he an evil genius?

[ClassWarrior]

13. Hmmm... looks like it says, "He is merely criminal."

Maybe you should read threads all the way through first.

NGU.

[npincus]

18. oh my, scolded by Teacher!

Here's an apple for you, Teach.

[ClassWarrior]

20. Wow. Touchy.

Sorry I dignified the question by answering it.

:eyes:

NGU.

[kerstin]

16. My thoughts exactly.

I got into a heated argument just today about this. Bush & Co. obviously profit from this notion of incompetence, one reason he was selected as a front guy ("incompetence" translating into "seeming harmlessness").

It strains credulity to continually chalk things up to incompetence when the outcome is so obviously beneficial to this group, both financially and ideologically (9/11, Katrina, etc.). Time and again the incompetence angle has been promoted by them and used to sucker people into thinking that it is just their incompetence that they wish to hide when it is actually their criminality. To say this mob has been incompetent is to say that they actually set out to govern, when all along their intent has been to destroy and enslave. So successful have they been that their personal "think tank," the notorious Project for a New American Century, folded up shop recently due to an overload of success.

It frustrates me because we are continually getting caught with our pants down instead of anticipating their next move because people refuse to see that these fiends are having not failure after failure, but rather success after sociopathic success.

[FourScore]

23. Really?

The PNAC folded shop? Didn't know about that. I'm not sure I believe it though. They've just taken it more backstage.

"incompetence" translating into "seeming harmlessness" --
That's one way to see it. I see as that and more. To me, "incompetence" seems to imply that the guy is doin' the best he can, but he's just not up to task. That is way too misleading. These neocons seem to get everything they want. So if they haven't gotten something, it's because they don't really want it. Look at New Orleans... they cleaned up the WTC before deadline in a matter of a couple of months, but New Orleans is still a pile of rubble. Hmm...come to think of it, wonder what the hurry was all about with the WTC...

[kerstin]

24. I should have clarified.

What I'd intended was "seeming incompetence." I agree entirely with everything you're saying.

With regard to the whirlwind WTC cleanup operation, naturally they were cleaning up the crime scene. MIHOP is the only plausible scenario to me.

[FourScore]

25. Yep!

That's how I see it! :toast: