The U.S. -- 215 years to build. -- Six years to destroy.

[Cyrano]

In 1789, a handful of brilliant men came together, wrote the Constitution of the United States and formed the world's longest lived democracy. Six years ago, a handful of evil men stole the country and immediately started down the road to destroy it.

The U.S. was never a blameless, innocent Utopia. There was land stolen from Native Americans, Mexicans and others, slavery, assassinations of foreign leaders, and wars for land or ideology. But when it's all added up, this country has produced more good in the world than most previous nations of power. And it was the dream of countless people on this planet to come here, my own forebears included.

In 2000 a stolen election turned over this country to some of the worst people on the face of the earth. And in six short years, they've all but destroyed what it took so long to build. I doubt there are too many who would want to come here today.

There are many here on DU who want to take back our country by force. Anytime you think that can be done, think of Tianaman Square. And yes, there are many who would have the courage to stand in front of a tank with only a shopping bag in hand. We don't know what became of that incredible man, but we do know the outcome of the Chinese uprising.

I truly believe that there is only one way to retake our country. A military coup. There are many among the leadership of our military who are honorable men who hate what our country has become and, I believe, would (and might even be planning) taking such action.

The big question is, what then? And this is where many of us might part ways. I believe that after imprisoning those responsible, -- the pols, the war profiteers and the billionaire enablers currently holding the levers of power, -- the military would turn our country back to us.

How? I don't know. But we are talking about a lot of people who are smarter than I am, who really believe in the country they have served, and most importantly, believe in that document written 221 years ago.

Perhaps the first step might be a period of calm and then a new set of elections to turn the country back to civilian rule. It won't be easy, but there's no question that it can be done.

All right, maybe I'm way off base here, maybe I'm an idealistic idiot and maybe none of this is practical or doable. Nonetheless, who would have believed six years ago that our democracy could be co-opted and virtually destroyed in such a short period of time?

What I've posted here is, I believe, a practical scenario for ripping our country away from the bloody claws of those who now hold it. I'd like to hear your thoughts on alternatives, or on the pros and cons of what I've set down here.

[William769]

1. I still believe that the Constitution will rectify The Bush Cabal

Unfortunately it is still to early to tell when that will happen. It has worked for 215 years & I believe it will still work. As my daddy always use to tell me "it's always darkest before the dawn".

P.S. Yes I am an optimist.

[midnight]

11. Good to hear from an optimist today.........

Let's hope this nightmare is ended-but soon. I'm so discouraged by all the legitimate complaints about illigal manuvers from this congress, and the white house. Also don't forget that when you think that you can't go on another step that is when change is a coming. I think a speak for many of us hear. six years is enough of this.

[TAPat]

2. Many, many pros - a lot of cons...

but I agree that we've come to a place where some very drastic action need be taken.

I am hoping (against hope) that the November elections land us in a position to take some meaningful steps toward righting the wrongs done in such a short time. If not - I only see painful strife ahead where many more innocents will die, only it will be happening right here in our streets.

A bloodless coup sounds great right about now... :(

[Chipper Chat]

3. Want visual aids?

We had this:


now we have this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/

[mnhtnbb]

4. The problem is that the current military is loaded with people

who think the Bushies can do no wrong. They aren't likely to institute a coup. Many of the more moderate (can you even think of any liberal) members of the military have long since resigned, because it was impossible to serve this Commander in Chief.

I'm more inclined to see a rebellion a la francais--people take to the streets, swarm the White House and Congress and throw the jerks out.
And what chance do I see of that succeeding? None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
I don't care if the crowd is armed with AK-47's, it's no contest with
a police force or military armed to the hilt.

I think you're going to see a very long period of dark ages for the U.S.
I am not optimistic. That's why we're building a house in Panama, and every day that goes by seems to draw us inexorably closer to being retired there before the end of 2008.

[Selatius]

5. Don't quote me on this, but I think the US was destroyed in the 1960s

I guess if you had to get specific, you could cite Nov. 22, 1963, as a good date. Other good dates include the murder of Dr. King and the murder of Robert F. Kennedy in 1968.

Since then, we've been living as hosts for these parasites whose only goal is power and greed.

[Cyrano]

7. I tend to agree. I felt that the deaths of King and the Kennedy's marked

the end of the country we had believed ourselves to be. Those who cheered those deaths are the very people who are now in power.

[acmejack]

9. No doubt, they snatched it then.

Too many coincidences for it to be any thing else. Mr. GHW Bush is a man who has a deep dirty past & has a central role in everything. I believe he is a string which could unravel this entire snarled ball.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

6. Destroyed? But Gay Marriage isn't allowed, how can that be?

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[cliss]

8. Darling, I'd like to point out some things for you.

Now, first of all, I don't discourage your fervor about taking your country back through some kind of coup. I have MUCH more respect for someone like yourself, than the bloated, lethargic people who sit on their asses and watch TV, while ROME is burning. Those people I despise...

So you are to be commended for caring enough about your country that you've even thought along these lines.

HOWEVER

This country was not destroyed in 6 short years, starting with the 2000 stolen election. It wasn't.

The seeds of destruction had already been sowed, shortly after WW2. That's when we became the Sole WORLD HEGEMON as far as currency. The other countries, devastated and destroyed by 2 world wars said, "Ok". From that point on, we have continually made wrong choices, done SUPER-BAD things around the world.

Look at Viet Nam, what a disaster that was. At that point, we went from being a net creditor to the world, to a net debtor to the world, and it's never changed.

And now we're in Iraq & Afghanistan. We just don't seem to learn from our mistakes.

The US has been coming apart, and it's become more noticeable recently. It's actually like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

And also, please be cautious about the notion of 'coup'. This country has already slid into a military dictatorship. And in military dictatorships, they only like one coup......

[genie_weenie]

10. I think you may have some rose colored way-back glasses on

because IMO, the US has never lived up to what it could have been. I think we (this is a communal we) have the observer effect and the fact we are living through some terrible times now, that we tend to forget things like: The Labor Wars of the late 1800s and early 1900s, the treatment of the American Indians throughout the 1800s (the Seminole Wars, the Trail of Tears), the treatment of African slaves and their descendants, Wars of Conquest throughout the entire history of the US, the treatment of the Irish, the Chinese, the Slavs, the Hispanics or whomever was brought in to undercut the wages of 2nd generation+ Americans.

And of course, all fo this groundwaork has been laid by various Presidents over the years until we had an immoral enough leader who recieved a "perfect" event to seize power and use it tyrannically.

It's very similar to what happened to the Catholic Church and the expansion of power by the Pope from the fall of Western Rome. Certain Popes (early on Gregory I, Nicholas II) expanded the power of the Bishorpic of Rome until the tenor and character of the Church was changed.

[toymachines]

12. Many agree with your assessment

Me and most of the people I have talked to about this agree that military coup is the only way that we can come out of this in a position that could even be considered favorable to the progressive cause. Military coup rarely goes well, bananna republic, dictatorship, military rule. Will power be rested on the people in a timely manner? There is little to convince me of this, except the chance that those who orchestrate the coup are doing so for the good of the country, read the good of the people. Scary times we live in, and few recognize how deep we are. Great post. Peace....

[toymachines]

13. Many agree with your assessment

Me and most of the people I have talked to about this agree that military coup is the only way that we can come out of this in a position that could even be considered favorable to the progressive cause. Military coup rarely goes well, bananna republic, dictatorship, military rule. Will power be rested on the people in a timely manner? There is little to convince me of this, except the chance that those who orchestrate the coup are doing so for the good of the country, read the good of the people. Scary times we live in, and few recognize how deep we are. Great post. Peace....

[file83]

14. Nothing will change until you remove the Global Elite (Central Bankers)

from the equation. As long as they stay and we use THEIR system of economics/financing, the new leaders will have to answer to them. That's the way it is now and why we are losing our country - because the people financing this nation (Global Elite) wants it that way.

Until then, a coup just changes the mask of the beast running the show.