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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:48 PM
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Poll question: Chavez's "devil" comment was...
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called President Bush "the devil" in a speech to the United Nations on Wednesday, making the sign of the cross in a dramatic gesture and accusing him of "talking as if he owned the world."


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060920/D8K8S9U80.html

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:52 PM
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1. What the neocons don't get is that * can't attack other countries
and their leaders lable them and not expect them to react and have something to say....

Sadly though it's grown ass men in a pissing match....* is underestimating the impact the Chavez and the Iranian leader are having....who is to say that Russia and China won't side with them?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:58 AM
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18. I've been saying that if * is stupid enough to invade Iran,
China and Russia can't afford to let amerika fuck up the whole region worse than we already have. :hi:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:02 PM
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53. You said it....greyhound1966
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:00 PM
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56. Invade Iran, and stupid enough to invade Iraq.
He's been put on notice; he's a warmonger, no one is applauding him for that, and other countries are wary.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:15 AM
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46. Dead on target.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:56 PM
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2. He should have saved it for some other speech.
He should have know that is what the media would focus on to paint him as a nut. It only worked to marginalize him.
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msu2ba Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:59 PM
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3. ...an understatement. n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:02 PM
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4. I Thought The Comment Was Just Quite Simply Immature And Dumb.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 09:03 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Regardless of how much of a piece of shit Mr.Bush is, I don't exactly think it to be mature or respectful to stand up in front of the U.N. and say such stupidity. It just comes off as needlessly childish and provocative. It's that sort of behavior as to why I don't trust nor like Chavez. I understand why he has some hatred towards our dumbass leader, but to appear in front of a global panel like the U.N. and use childish smears like 'The Devil' is just in bad taste. I'm just not going to take somebody seriously who engages in such dumbass tactics.

If he wants to show the world that he is a great leader and a respectful man he should not taunt and engage in the back and forth highschool rhetoric. Instead, he should speak in a statesman like manner while keeping to factual points and thoughtful discussion. There is no need for the provocative or childish words nor stooping to Mr.Bush's level. By doing so he loses integrity and I just simply don't trust him, like him or respect him. And this is in no way a defense of shrubby, as lord knows he's a piece of criminal filth. It is the tactics of Mr.Chavez that I do not condone.

So having that said, his remarks were completely inappropriate of a world leader in my opinion.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:20 AM
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47. Mocking Bush is a very powerful technique. Don't underestimate it.
The world knows we have a moron or pathological person as our
leader; Chavez was just acknowledging that fact using humor.

Only Americans, spoon-fed by the NeoCon's lapdog press, don't
see the truth of this.

Tesha
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:07 PM
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5. GO GO HUGO!!! You da man! n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:13 PM
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6. FUNnnnnn !!!!!!!!11 Locally, the wingnut radio dude
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 09:13 PM by UTUSN
said, "CHAVEZ just called (Shrub) THE DEVIL--------- El DIABLO/ EL DIABLO!!!!1 " ----Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!1

It was SO funny!!!!!!1
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:15 PM
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7. Bushitler is now Bullshibub.
And America needs a good exorcist!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:19 PM
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9. Beelzebush.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:17 PM
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8. Impolitic, but accurate. n/t
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:44 PM
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10. 103 votes....get 'yer votes and comments in!
:kick:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:24 AM
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15. Another kick for the late-nighters! [nt]
:kick:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:45 PM
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11. Other
He was stating the obvious.


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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:49 PM
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12. Chavez could've done without the rhetoric, but I agree with the spirit of
his words. Bush may be the president of an economic and military superpower, but he has no right to preach to the world about freedom and democracy when he himself is guilty of depriving people of freedom, of spying on his own citizens, and of allowing torture, and he has no right to impose on other countries. Bush is a figurehead of all that is wrong with the US that could be corrected but hasn't.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:53 PM
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13. If Shrub can be an A-hole, why can't EVERYBODY ELSE????? n/t
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:58 PM
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14. the comment was of marginal importance to an excellent speech on empire
In some ways, the RW media is lucky he said it, because it gives them something to spin (like Rove saying the memo about Bush's ANG service was typed in a font that didn't exist at the time).

But if Chavez hadn't made that comment, the speech would have been totally ignored, and at least the coverage means that people might read the whole speech....which was EXCELLENT!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:02 AM
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19. Video is up at C-Span now. n/t
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:25 AM
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16. Spot on!!!
:hi:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:35 AM
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17. Wrong choice of words
The Devil is not a spoiled, arrogant Frat Boy.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:06 AM
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20. i don't think it was that serious
i did think it was funny though. but maybe since i don't believe in the devil .
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:33 AM
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21. Totally pointless waste of time
He had an opportunity to make a point about poverty and global trade practies - the way the evil Bill Clinton did for him - and he chose to make childish devil comments instead. This will be known as the Fool's Era.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:39 AM
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22. Not according to foreign reporting or to the audience in attendance.
Lol
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:53 AM
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23. Oooh, 15 seconds of glory
BFD. It'll be forgotten by tomorrow. Then again, we've got an entire Senate race wrapped around the word macaca, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised people would rather hear Bush called the devil than talk about serious issues. It's all very discouraging.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:05 AM
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25. It's astonishing to me how many DUers have no clue whatsoever
how important Hugo Chavez is to progressives everywhere. It's just gobsmacking.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:09 AM
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27. Without global oil money
he's useless. It's astonishing to me the number of DUers who have no clue whatsoever that without the evil dollars of capitalism, this guy would have no country to save or money to save it with.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:14 AM
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29. LOL! Yes, ALL countries who have been ripped off and had
their democracies disrupted for more than a century by our august government should show some gratitude.

:rofl:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:17 AM
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30. They don't have to take anybody's money
Nobody's ripping Chavez off today. He's selling his oil to the evil capitalists quite willingly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:24 AM
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31. That's right and it drives the Cabal nuts. He's also trading it
for medical equipment, software, and farm stock and machinery. He's creating jobs in a diversifying economy.

:)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:39 AM
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33. What???
How is selling his oil on the open market driving anybody nuts??? That doesn't even make any sense. His problem is his packing his court and refusing to implement a normal democracy with power transitions. It's stunning to me that the same people who freak out at the very thought of a Bush imperialism have no problem with Chavez running again and again and again. It's stunning to me that the people who go nutso over eminent domain here have no problem with Chavez taking private property whenever he sees fit. It isn't a democracy. It isn't progressive. It certainly isn't liberal. As annoying as it is that we have to go through nuts like Bush over and over again, it's equally annoying that nobody ever learns by experiencing the failures of left wing nuts either.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:47 AM
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36. I said, he's also TRADING IT to other Latin American countries
for the products listed which drives BuskCo nuts because they don't control the oil and because it makes Latin America much more independent.

And, the people of Venezuela seem to disagree with your assessment.

And, most leftist governments in Latin America fail because we've made sure they did, not because they are failures or nuts.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:01 AM
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40. Like the people of Cuba
and Iraq and the other countries that have elections where everybody votes for the President.

Corpo-fascist economies don't work, but it doesn't follow that the only alternative is total socialism either. They haven't worked anywhere, not just Latin America. And in fact, no economy ever works without tranparency and participation from citizens. The Bushies don't like that, but neither does Chavez and anybody who wasn't blinded by hatred of all things US would see that.

It's late, I'm going to sleep.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:04 AM
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42. No, not like Cuba at all. Bed sounds like a good idea.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:10 AM
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45. Aren't you exaggerating? Chavez isn't the international threat
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 07:10 AM by mmonk
to the sovereignty of nations that the bush administration is.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:52 AM
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50. I didn't say he was
The ones who are exaggerating are the ones exagerrating his role as some sort of international savior of the people. He isn't, any more than Castro is.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:55 AM
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52. I think they do.
Have a clue as to how important Chavez is, that is.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:05 AM
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26. He wasn't up there just ranting about how evil Bush is
the Devil comments were just part of his first few comments.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:12 AM
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28. And all that got reported
Which proves how useless those words really were. Who cares if one leader calls another one "the devil". How stupid.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:27 AM
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32. You really need to start using better news outlets. The foreign
press reports that he was very well recieved.

Did you see Chomsky's book's rating at Amazon went up by 277% since that speech. How stupid? Looks like lots of people care about what Chavez has to say.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:42 AM
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34. 566 articles
Chavez Calls Bush "The Devil"

That's what's in the news today.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=h...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:50 AM
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37. That's a ridiculous reduction of a story to a headline.
Did you read any of those stories that aren't the Miami Herald (We'll Print Anything) or The Boston Globe (We'll Print Anything, Too) or one of Mr. Bush's lapdogs?

Really. You find what you look for.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:54 AM
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39. Yeah - a headline - that's the point
That's all the majority of people are ever going to hear from this guy - a stupid headline calling Bush the devil - what a waste of the world stage.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:04 AM
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41. You are already very mistaken. That is what AMERICANS
hear from him, mostly freepers, as the sales at Amazon illustrate.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:33 AM
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49. But he did all of that too
Did you READ it?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:02 AM
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24. ... "A bit of grandstanding to get his name on the news"
Something I'd expect of a politician when trying to get votes, rather than governing. Hopefully, he will send someone to take the Security Council seat seriously if he gets it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:44 AM
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35. He was "Playing to the crowd"..
He got a few laughs, with the "smell of sulphur" remark... As usual, our hypermedia overreacted.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:51 AM
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38. Notice that no one remembers what Bush said.
:toast:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:26 AM
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43. ShrubCo is spent and running out of track....quickly
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:32 AM
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44. Think how the world use to look up to America as a bastion of truth.
How sad for America right now and how humiliating for us. The whole world knows this administrations word is no good. In fact, Bush is probably the first American President to be scorned, looked down upon and viewed with distrust and suspicion by the entire free world.

As Americans its our duty to put things right again. Its our duty to repair our relationship with the world. We deserve better and were going to get better. So in November we are going to go to the polls like we never have done before! Bush must be IMPEACHED!!!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:20 PM
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55. You said it!
Indict, Impeach, Imprison!!!
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:22 AM
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48. Wrong words, should compare Bush to evil that actually EXISTS
Not to some fictional christian mythical figure like the 'devil'.

There is no devil just like there is no god. It still amazes me that some people still cling to ancient superstitions as if they were real.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:54 AM
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51. Gee, FriedPiper.
do you suppose that just maybe he was being facetitious? And that Bush is not literally the devil?
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:17 PM
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54. Appropriate, but aimed at
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:22 PM
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57. k&r - one more rec will put this on the greatest page nt
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