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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:42 PM Original message |
Devil's advocate - why shouldn't states be allowed to secede? |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. They should at least be allowed to succeed. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. expulsion should be allowed, too |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. That defeats the whole concept of a United States of America. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. The original concept was of united sovereign states, who |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. The original concept sucks |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Doesn't say they can either... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. The north was glad to have the cotton for their mills. They didn't |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Slavery was the central issue...and the South made it so... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. I stand corrected, and |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Then I suggest that you go reread your history texts |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. I did go look it up and you are right and I was wrong. Thanks for the |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. Don't turn this into a debate on the Civil War and slavery, please! |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Not really |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Ironically, it's about freedom |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. The military presence in Texas, remember, is the U.S. military |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Not necessarily true |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
52. But does that freedom exist? |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Okay - here's how it could happen |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. um, did you ever read the articles of confederation? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Good points. I've had a bad run of |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. They should be allowed to secede, according to the articles of |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Those rules are determined by the victor |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. We seem to be in agreement. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. I had the impression that people like Jeff Davis et al. |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. Okay, here's a scenario - try this on for size |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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terryg11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. Federal policies not inline at all with state goals |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sure, there is good news at the end of the rainbow |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. According to my Texan husband |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I've never heard of CA or VT being independent countries |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Thanks for reminding me of Hawaii |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. You are correct |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. California was a republic after being freed from Mexico |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. because some of us have oil |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Do you think that as an independent nation |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Corrupt politicians in Louisiana? |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. LOL - glad it wasn't me that brought that up ;) |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. Say it, pito! You could also add: |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. In the case of the Baltic States |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I understand that, but it's still the principle involved here |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
25. I Have A Simple Take On It |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Again, it's the victors who determine the rules |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I'm Not Looking For Prior Precedent |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Hmmm...read the writings of Thomas Jefferson |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You're Switching Gears Now |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Agreed, just looking at the different approaches |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is settled law |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Thanks for the link |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. My Constitutional Law professor would be proud that I remembered that case |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That decision was in 1869 - less than 4 years after the end of the war |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I doubt that they will ever overtun Roe |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. But the mere fact that they could overturn it proves my point |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Plessy v. Ferguson was essentiall overturned |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. So this Supreme Court is going to overturn this case? nt |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Didn't say that at all |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. What we need is a new Constitutional Congress. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. We can already do that - through amendments. nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Ammendments go through Congress and the President |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
37. More recent example, since Civil War: Conch Republic... |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Marketing gimmick - nothing more, really |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. That's cool, buts its fun regardless, and the federal government's |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. A lot of it would depend on the circumstances |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Yeah, Hawaii already has an independence movement after all... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. No, for a number of reasons |
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gordontron (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
55. as lincoln said: |
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