President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't strike me as "combative"

[Lone_Star_Dem]

His speech so far is articulate and fairly well done.

I did notice that the US is missing as I heard Iran was from shrub's speech.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. Articulate yes.... shrub should be quite jealous of his use of

vocabulary.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

7. He's a more skilled speaker than shrub

That's for sure. I shudder to imagine what he would have done to him in an open debate.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Better speech writer too n/t

[ShaneGR]

53. And the very first question... do you support the destruction of Israel...

Which Amawhateverhisnameis does.

The bottom line is that they're both extremist radicals and they both deserve to be locked in a room together on the 7th floor of hell for eternity.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

58. And with bush he wears his extremism on his sleeve

My point is that Ahmadinejad didn't. He said the right things in the right tone and came across as more sincere than bush.

I feel as if I'm comparing two used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust either half as far as I could throw them, but the fact remains that most people buy their used car from the one that delivers the more sincere line of crap, no?

[135th]

49. What language was his speech in?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

50. Dunno, but it was Greek to me... n/t

[Tin Man]

2. He got kinda "fundy" at the end - talking about "God's return"

Did I hear him correctly - "all those who await God's return" ??? Maybe Ahmadinejad is onboard with the Rapture? :shrug:

[eleny]

3. I hear an echo

[Lone_Star_Dem]

4. Yes, that was what I thought also

However, he still didn't come off as they've been portraying him. If nothing else he did seem to be well spoken capable of getting his message across.

[razors edge]

17. rapture is christian, and not even in the bible.

[Tin Man]

22. I was just joking about Ahmadinejad awaiting the Rapture, BUT...

Ahmadinejad did finish his UN address on a stridently religious note. I'm hoping there'll be transcripts available soon - I'll post a link if/when I find one.

[razors edge]

27. sorry, and thanks I missed all but 5 min.

on NBC, I like to hear a man in his own words before I decide for myself.

[bdamomma]

55. transcript here

people can think whatever they want about Ahmadinejad but the man is not stupid like Mr. Bush. Ahmadinejad had some good points in his speech about our policy.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14911603/

one snip from article

Brian Williams: How do you think the discussion has been allowed to get that far, that we're discussing possible war between the U.S. and Iran?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: I think we need to ask this question from American, U.S., politicians. The world has changed. The time for world empires has ended. The U.S. government thinks that it's still the period after World War II, when they came out as a victor and enjoyed special rights. And can rule, therefore, over the rest of the world. I explicitly say that I am against the policies chosen by the U.S. government to run the world. Because these policies are moving the world towards war.

[Tin Man]

64. transcript of Ahmadinejad's speech to UN General Assembly here

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2006/iran-060920-irna02.htm

Below are the final 3 paragraphs of his address. In particular, the last sentence is what originally caught my attention - appears Ahmadinejad beseeches God to send a new prophet to earth ???

"The Almighty and Merciful God, who is the Creator of the Universe, is also its Lord and Ruler. Justice is His command. He commands His creatures to support one another in Good, virtue and piety, and not in decadence and corruption.

He commands His creatures to enjoin one another to righteousness and virtue and not to sin and transgression. All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?
"I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

O, Almighty God, all men and women are your creatures and you have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by you, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause. "

[arewenotdemo]

36. He's just trying to appeal to the American Talibornagain

Give 'em something they can relate to.

You know, like Kerry did.

[malaise]

41. Aside from the religious clap trap

it was a very good speech. Indeed he Bslapped Bushco big time by exposing the utter hypocrisy of the war criminals..coherent and well written.
Edit -add.

[Opusnone]

5. Why do you hate America so much?

Liberals are embracing this lunatic nutjob as their new messiah.

Sarcasm is definitely ON

[leveymg]

6. Maybe he should stick around for a few weeks

and answer some more questions. Maybe, he isn't the head of the Eastern Chapter of the Big Tent Church of the Apocalypse.

Maybe?

[Opusnone]

8. I hear he's gooing to Spamalot later

Then out to dinner in the Village.

[larrysh]

9. He doesn't have to be combative, like Bush, he won't be fighting

[Lone_Star_Dem]

12. Yes, but the media and the WH have been portraying him as being

"combative" not to mention extremist, dangerous and radical.

He didn't come across as any of those tonight. Actually, he pretty much said all the right things and he said them rather reasonably.

[razors edge]

19. but unlike bush

he won't be targeting his opponent with stealth bombers flying at 15000 ft.

[partylessinOhio]

10. I LOVED IT! Put a fork in him, Bush is done!

Peace is the answer - take your war and shove it!

[johnfunk]

11. Ahmadinglenutz, like W. Chucklenutz, was speaking to his core constituency

I would be very worried about the next few years -- until these two religious fanatics can be run out of their respective capitals on a rail.

[maxsolomon]

13. he's a douchebag as sure as bush is

screw him. he's merely an ignorant front man for a repressive theocracy. don't believe the hype.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. I never said I bought what he was selling

What I feel is that we are in desperate need of better leaders in the WH, those we currently have are out of their league, painfully so.

[pointblank]

16. amen brothers and sisters!

haha

really though, this guy is just as big a douchebag as shrub...

he does speak much better..hell i understood more of what he said without the translator than i do shrub.

screw him though, make no mistake, he hates amurka and would love to see all of us fry.

fug em.

[karlrschneider]

18. Here's a link to Brian Williams' interview with him

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14912050/

I know the conventional 'wisdom' is that he's nuts, dangerous, or both...but so far I haven't seen
any conclusive evidence for that claim. I am here to learn. ;-)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

20. Thank you

Very much, actually. I had missed that and would like to gather as much information as I can before I form an opinion of my own.

I wish I had seen it with my own eyes, I find the impression you get from a person's body language to be quite valuable in deciding their intent.

Again, thank you for the link I'll enjoy reading it. :)

[karlrschneider]

23. It's not the best translation or transcription but I think it gets the

gist of it fairly well...
:D

[Cleita]

44. I agree with you. So far from what I have seen of him, first

on "Sixty Minutes" with Mike Wallace and on down the line, he has tried to present himself as logical if nothing else.

Has he the same record of genocide that our President has? I'm not accepting any more labeling of people we aren't supposed to like from either party. I'm done with that. For years we have been told how evil various leaders of various countries are to suit the agenda of the American corporate interests.

IMHO we have the biggest and worst in our own house, the White House.

[FearofFutility]

51. Evidence that points to nuts.....

Isn't he a Holocaust denier?

[stepnw1f]

21. He Sounded a Hell of all More Legit Than Bush

and he was not what our media (and some DUers) tried painting him as.

[sufrommich]

26. Well gosh!

If he Sounds more legit than Bush then he must be.Lets ask these people what they think:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irn/index

[stepnw1f]

28. I'm Talking about His Personality

snort

Oh... he still sounds a hell of a lot more legit than the maniac we have. Sorry if that upset you, but I think the rest of the World agrees with me on this one.

[Balbus]

32. Especially that part where he wants to eradicate all the Jews.

I hear you, man! Rock on!

[stepnw1f]

34. PS... don't try turning my post into something it isn't.

[PsychoDad]

54. Perhaps you could link...

To where he states that he wishes to "eradicate all the Jews". I don't think he has ever stated that.

Peace.

[sufrommich]

33. What "upsets" me

is people who naively believe that one theocratic goon is any different from another.Do you also believe that were he in the position to use massive military power to "spread his faith"that we would all be living in Hunky Dory land?He's a frickin' nut.Edited for spelling.

[stepnw1f]

35. Do You Have Reading Comprehension Issues?

I SAID PERSONALITY... He's not the man I thought he would be... first time I've seen him speak.

Second: I could care less how you feel about him. Sorry...

Enlist... maybe you can shoot him when nutboy Bush starts another war he can't manage, nevermind win.

[sufrommich]

37. Yeah,that's it.

My distaste for the Iranian nut job surely must mean that I'm a big Bush bot.Nice try at deflection.

[stepnw1f]

38. It Really Is a READING COMPREHENSION ISSUE

with you... good night.

[The Stranger]

45. It really is telling though to hear the "enemy" in his own words.

Even better than having Amnesty's words on the matter.

[Roxy66]

24. me either... he actually sounds... ummm not sure if I should say....

Big brother is watching

[Justice Is Comin]

25. C'mon he's got 3% enrichment on his uranium.

the bush goon gonads tryed to turn it into 95%.

Thank God the IAEA had enough of swamp dwellers bullshit. They were ready for him this time.

All Mahmoud wants to do is have a source of energy to help power his country. But keep screwing with him bush and he's gonna make you into mincemeat.

[AntiFascist]

31. Maybe you should catch his complete interview with Mike Wallace...

if its still available somewhere. He was talking about jihad, equating it with the need of soldiers to (violently) defend their nation, and also spoke on behalf of more than just the "nation" of Iran. He sounded very much in line with the fundamentalists who are in control of Iran.

[pampango]

52. I am glad that you know what Ahmadinejad wants.

I am not sure whether he just wants nuclear power for his country or would like to eventually have a nuclear weapon in Iran's arsenal. I respect those among us who believe that the world would be fairer if every country that wants nuclear weapons was free to have them, but I do not agree with them.

The fact that Ahmadinejad will stand up to Bush does not earn him my uncritical support. The benefit of the doubt, sure, but I reserve the right to make up my own mind about him based on what he does for, not to, his countrymen, not just what he does to Bush. Most anti-Bush politicians and world leaders have my respect, but not all.

[newyawker99]

59. Hi pampango!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[tinfoil tiaras]

29. Mahmoud is the middle eastern face of Ralph Lauren

Theres a facebook group called that & i thought it was :rofl:

:rofl:

[Balbus]

30. Rumor has it, that after his speech,

it's dinner with Mel Gibson.

[goforit]

39. I didn't hear any hostility at all. Only from Bush.

[geek tragedy]

40. A sociopath like him can seem very reasonable.

The prisons are full of such people. As is the Hague. As is the Bush administration.

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[geek tragedy]

48. Holocaust denial as a political maneuver.

Sociopathy.

[The Stranger]

46. Gratuitous statements like these are very unreasonable (and baseless).

And, right now, trying to prevent dialogue is the same thing as trying to foment war.

[geek tragedy]

47. Well, you can defend the far-right Holocaust deniers of

the Islamic world, while I'll treat them just like I treat the far-right Holocaust deniers of the Christian world.

[The Stranger]

60. Holocaust denial is not causus belli.

Holocaust denial is not causus belli. That is where this is headed. That is what the war-mongering Right Wing wants.

The U.S. cannot invade nations and cause the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people just because someone engages in Holocaust denial.

So you can defend the war-mongerers, hate-mongerers and others who want more illegal war, while I will continue derailing the effort in seeking peace.

[rinsd]

61. What a shameful mentality

Its the DU version of Bush's bullshit about criticism = aid and comfort to the enemy

[geek tragedy]

63. Mirror image of Bush's "with us or with the terrorists."

"Either you're with Bush's enemies or you're with Bush."

[geek tragedy]

62. Except that I explicitly oppose an attack on Iran of any kind.

I do support the work of Iranian patriots and modernizers to replace the regime from within.

Do you?

[The Stranger]

43. The CNN whores tried to insert phrases like "he attacked," "he assualted,"

but he outsmarted them, I am afraid. Whore Paula Zahn and Anchor Whore Leslie Blitzer were left with trying to insert verbs into his speech that were pure, unadulaterated fabrication. It was quite worth watching. I would bet the CNN Whores never air an entire speech again.

[MagickMuffin]

56. He seems like someone you'd want to have

a BEER with:rofl:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

57. It'll be a great day when America no longer uses that as a gage

in regards to politicians.