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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:49 AM
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Why I’m a Democrat: Moral Values of the Democratic Party Vs. the GOP
The most important reason why I choose to be a Democrat is that I believe in the moral values proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe that moral values are and should be closely connected with politics because the purpose of politics should be to work towards a country and a world civilization that exhibit the moral values that are necessary to make the world a decent place to live for people. Paul W. Kahn said something similar in “American Exceptionalism and Human Rights”: “Our deepest politics, that which defines our political self-understanding, merges into our understanding of ourselves as a people under the rule of law”.

Specifically, our Declaration of Independence says that all people have unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that it is the purpose of government to secure those rights, and when government becomes destructive of those ends it is the right of the people to abolish their government. Our Constitution represents an attempt to put those rights into practice, starting with its preamble, which notes the purposes for establishing the United States of America as a country, including the need to provide for the general welfare of its citizens. The first ten amendments to our Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights, established specific rights for the citizens of the new country, and were meant to put into practice the unalienable rights specified in the Declaration of Independence.

For me the difference between the two major parties in the United States today is not a matter of mere preference. Rather, it is a difference – and I realize this sounds harsh – between a Party that stands and fights for the moral values proclaimed in the founding documents of our country and a Party that has little or no respect for those documents and the values that they proclaim. I don’t mean to imply that individual Republicans aren’t decent people. But certainly the leaders of today’s Republican Party demonstrate through their behavior values that are not at all consistent with those proclaimed in our founding documents.

In providing examples of the different value systems of the two major parties, I frequently refer to the presidential administration of George W. Bush and to our current Republican Congress. Why is it fair to refer to a single presidential administration in comparing the values of two political parties that are represented by tens of millions of American citizens? Because the agenda of that presidential administration has been supported by a rubber stamp Republican Congress for several years now; their values have had profound effects on the current state of our country and our world; and that administration, that Congress, and those who continue to vote for them (or not) will have profound effects on the future of our country and our world, perhaps for generations to come.


The right to an opportunity for a decent life (or economic justice)

Things that are essential for a decent life for American families and individuals include wages that keep families out of poverty, medical care and an opportunity for a good education.

Both our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution say that it is the responsibility of government to secure the opportunity of its citizens to obtain those kinds of things. But the Republican Party believes that government should not involve itself with those issues. Instead, they say that the so-called “free market” provides for those opportunities.

I started to write this post a few days ago, and right from the start I went into a discussion of the Democratic Party’s belief that a major purpose of government is to help people in need, versus the Republican Party’s vehement objections to that idea. By the time I finished writing about why the “free-market” model is unfair and totally inadequate to address many important needs of American families, why government is needed to address those needs, and how the dismantling of pro-family and pro-people programs by a Republican Congress and President have hurt our country, the post was so long that I couldn’t add any more to it, so I posted it as a separate article. So I won’t repeat those arguments here, and instead I’ll just reference that post, which I titled “How Republican “Free Market” Ideologues Are Ruining our Country”.

Suffice it to say here that the poverty rate in America is increasing under the Bush administration, 46 million Americans have no health insurance as of 2004, infant mortality has risen under the Bush administration for the first time in more than 40 years, the cost of a college education is sky-rocketing so that many teenagers and young adults can no longer afford to go to college, and millions of Americans work full time and yet cannot rise above the poverty level because of a minimum wage that has not risen (and therefore has lost much ground to inflation) in almost ten years.

What have our Republican Congress and President done about all this?

This post summarizes Congressional voting on several health care issues, including such things as expanding Medicare enrollment and prescription drug benefits. Here are ratings by the American Public Health Association (APHA) of the health related votes of Senatorial candidates running in close elections this November:

Republicans: DeWine (OH) – 0%; Santorum (PA) – 0%; Kyle (AZ) – 0%; Allen (VA) – 0%; Talent (MO) – 0%; Harris (FL) – 0%; Chafee (RI) – 75%; Kennedy (MN) – 0%
Democrats: Brown (OH) – 100%; Ford (TN) – 86%; Menendez (NJ) – 89%; Nelson (FL) – 100%

Would you think that with all the enthusiasm of Republicans for our war in Iraq that they would at least be inclined to support health benefits for veterans? Well, if you said yes you’d be wrong. A March 2006 bill for increasing much needed veterans’ health benefits was voted down in the Senate with only two Republican votes (Snowe and Specter) for the bill and only one Democrat vote (B. Nelson) against it.

A bill to increase the current poverty-level federal minimum wage was voted down in the Senate, with 100% of Democrats voting for the bill, along with 8% of Republicans. And a bill that substantially reduced bankruptcy protection for American families (who are usually pushed into bankruptcy either by the loss of a job or by a catastrophic illness) passed with every Republican Senator and House Representative voting for the bill, along with 42% of Democratic Senators and 37% of Democratic Representatives.


Holding corporations responsible for their actions

The Democratic Party believes that, in addition to helping American citizens directly, government also has a responsibility to regulate powerful corporations in the public interest. Furthermore, they recognize that the Earth’s natural resources are finite, that many of them are non-renewable, that the well being of the world’s population depends on them, and that if care is not taken to preserve them the consequences will be catastrophic for future generations.

In the case of the energy industry and many other industries, government regulation is required in order to reduce pollutants that impair the health of Americans and contribute to potentially catastrophic global climate change, and to prevent monopolies which reduce competition and raise prices beyond the means of many Americans. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 substantially relaxed controls over the energy industry. As expected, we find substantially more Republicans than Democrats voting for this Act in both the House (87% vs. 20%) and the Senate (89% vs. 57%). Similarly, on a Senate vote on corporate average fuel economy (CAFÉ) standards in 2002, only 12% of Republicans voted for improved fuel efficiency, compared to 62% of Democrats.

Other examples of sucking up to corporate interests include the failure to pass an amendment that would have allowed Medicare to negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical industry (95% of Democratic Senators voted for it, compared with 11% of Republicans), a law to limit the possibilities for class action lawsuits against corporations (100% of Republicans in both the House and the Senate voted for it, compared to 41% of Democratic Senators and 25% of House Democrats), and the job outsourcing Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), which 88% of House Republicans voted for vs. 7% of House Democrats and 78% of Republican Senators voted for vs. 25% of Democratic Senators.


Military intervention

The Democratic Party recognizes the catastrophic consequences of war, in terms of lost and ruined lives and debt burdens that preclude the possibility of other much needed government functions for current and future generations of Americans. Therefore it is inclined to believe that war is justified only for self-defense and to stop impending catastrophes such as genocide, as discussed by former General and Democratic presidential candidate, Wesley Clark.

The Republican Party has a much more cavalier attitude towards war, as demonstrated by the Bush administration’s lying and manipulating intelligence data to provide an excuse for war in Iraq, accompanied by almost total Republican Congressional support for those efforts. That cavalier attitude is further demonstrated by the way Republicans talk about war. They tend to speak only in terms of “winning” and “losing”, as if war is some sort of a game, the purpose of which is to prove the machismo of those who order thousands of men and women to their deaths. And to further compound this cruel attitude towards war they automatically accuse Democrats of cowardice whenever they express objections to military intervention. The reasons for the objections do not matter, and most Republicans are not at all interested in discussing the merits of the objections. They simply see any objection to war by a Democrat as one more opportunity to gain political points by imputing cowardice to the Democrat.

It is hard to understand how they get away with this. Does anyone seriously believe that it takes courage to order other people into battle? To the contrary, it takes much more courage to vote against war, when doing so often jeopardizes one’s political career, given the enthusiasm with which Republicans jump all over Democrats who do that. As George McGovern once said, it took more courage for him to speak out against the Viet Nam war as a junior Senator than it did for him to fly combat missions during World War II. And yet the Republicans who are so eager to accuse Democrats of cowardice, including all the Chicken hawks in the Bush administration, have rarely actually participated in war, except to give orders to others from their comfortable offices in Washington D.C.


Rights of accused persons

Amendments V, VI, VII, and VIII to our constitution require, respectively, that a person cannot be held or punished for a crime without being charged, has the right be informed of the nature of the charges against him and to face and answer one’s accusers, has the right to a fair trial by a jury, and shall not have to endure “cruel and unusual” punishment. The purpose of each of these amendments is to ensure that government does not engage in arbitrary punishment against people. Whether or not the individual in question is an American citizen is not the issue. These are basic human rights recognized by our Declaration of Independence, as well as by international law, and all human beings are entitled to them.

Yet the Bush administration continuously denies those rights to those whom it accuses of terrorism. It holds terrorism suspects indefinitely without charging them with a crime, under barbaric conditions. It insists on the right to torture those suspects or render them to secret prisons where torture is routinely practiced. And our Republican Congress for the most part simply accepts all this. When Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) on the Senate floor roundly criticized the inhuman conditions under which these people are held, he was lambasted by Republicans, as exemplified in this speech by Karl Rove.


Election integrity

For various indefensible reasons, most Republicans believe that it is ok to have our votes counted by computers using secret vote counting code, with no means of determining whether or not the vote count is accurate. After all, these are private companies that supply the machines that count our votes. What right do we have to regulate or investigate their activities? – or so goes Republican logic.

In 2000, after George Bush’s brother, the governor of Florida, illegally disenfranchised tens of thousands of African Americans from voting in the presidential election on the grounds that they were close computer matches to felons, after a Republican orchestrated riot in Miami-Dade County stopped the vote counting there, and after various other types of election fraud as well, five Republican Supreme Court “Justices” stopped the manual recount of the votes in Florida on grounds that had no Constitutional justification whatsoever, thereby declaring George W. Bush our 43rd President.

In 2004, electronic voting machines using secret vote counting protocols replaced the punch card machines in much of Florida. This time there was no need for a hand recount, nor could there have been one had it been needed, since the electronic voting machines produced no material record of their vote counting. In south Florida a multitude of voters reported seeing their vote switch from John Kerry to George Bush, in many cases repeatedly following several attempts to vote for Kerry. This was after a Florida computer programmer working for a voting machine company had been told by his boss, who had been told by a Republican operative to write a vote switching program. The programmer, Clint Curtis, later testified before Congress that he was told by the Republican operative, Tom Feeney, that the program was needed to control the vote in south Florida. A state investigator, Raymond Lemme, later told Curtis that he had traced the problem “all the way to the top”, but unfortunately Lemme coincidentally was found dead in a hotel bathroom two weeks later, having purportedly slit his wrists.

On that same Election Day, in Ohio, the only other state that would have given John Kerry an electoral victory, numerous “irregularities” were discovered, including the same type of electronic vote switching noted in Florida and the purging of probably more than two hundred thousand legal voters from the voter rolls. Representative John Conyers (D-MI), minority Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, led an investigation of these numerous irregularities, but since the Republicans refused to cooperate in any way, the resulting 100 page report was produced only by Democratic staff.

One would hope that all of this, and much more, would lead Congress to work towards a more accountable voting system. Yet little or no progress appears to have made in that direction, with Republicans in Congress steadfastly blocking efforts to enact a federal law such as the Count Every Vote Act, that would ban or minimize secret electronic vote counting in the absence of a paper trail to verify the vote count.


The right to privacy

Many controversial privacy issues involve a balance between privacy and some other value, upon which reasonable people may disagree. To make things simple here, I’ll talk about a couple of privacy issues that involve no other values to balance against.

What could be less controversial than the right of adults to engage in consensual sex within the privacy of their own home? Well, believe it or not, that is a very controversial issue to George Bush’s favorite Supreme Court “Justice”, Anton Scalia. Writing a minority opinion in Lawrence v. Texas, involving an appeal against Texas’ anti-sodomy law, Scalia said that the Court’s decision entails “a massive disruption of the current social order” and “dismantles the structure of constitutional law …” If George Bush or another Republican gets to appoint one more Supreme Court justice, Scalia’s opinion on this issue, as well as on Roe v. Wade, is likely to hold sway.

Then there is the issue of George Bush’s warantless wiretapping of American citizens, which clearly violates our Fourth Amendment’s prohibition against unreasonable searches. Bush would like to have the American people believe that his warantless wiretapping program is part of his “War on Terror”. But he has never explained to the American people how the “War on Terror” prohibits him from obtaining warrants for his wiretapping, which are clearly required by law. Oh, sorry, he did explain that – it’s because sometimes, in order to catch a dangerous terrorist, time doesn’t allow him to obtain a warrant. But since the law allows for retroactive seeking of warrants, what can time have to do with it?

Anyhow, what is just as scary as Bush’s wiretapping program itself is the fact that our Republican rubber stamping Congress, rather than investigate the issue, initiate impeachment hearings, or even consider censuring Bush, feels that it’s more important to change the law in order to bring him into compliance with it.


Our First amendment’s protection of freedom of speech and of the press

The First Amendment to our Constitution is absolutely necessary for the functioning of democracy. If people cannot criticize their government, and if a country lacks a free and independent press there can be no democracy. The primary individual action of democracy, voting, is dependent upon the information that we have, which in turn is dependent upon the free speech of others, especially the press. Without that, citizens have no basis upon which to make the decisions necessary to uphold a democracy.

But we are now gradually losing the right to free speech. The intolerance of the Bush administration to bad news or criticism has resulted in “first amendment zones” whenever Bush goes out in public, and journalists who don’t play ball with the administration are denied access. Dick Cheney accuses Iraq war critics of “abetting terrorists”, and our administration is now justifying the need to criminalize the reporting of news that it considers unfavorable to itself. The Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force has even spoken of testing out new weapons for use in crowd control of American citizens.

Our Republican Congress not only accepts all this, but they support the Bush administration in their efforts to destroy our First Amendment and therefore our democracy, thus emboldening them to complete the process.

As a corollary, our current national press corps is but a shadow of its former self, in many respects having become more of a propaganda machine for the Bush administration and other Republicans than a free press. This is evident by their failure to report on major concerns about our election system or the administration’s lies about weapons of mass destruction in the run-up to the Iraq war, and by numerous other major failures. ABC’s recent revisionist history of the September 11th attacks, just two months before the November mid-term elections, is perhaps the most obvious evidence yet for the hidden agenda of our so-called free press.


Final thoughts

Do our Republican leaders really believe that “free market” ideology is so sacred that our government shouldn’t work to provide for the general welfare of our people? Do they believe that corporations should have free reign to do as they like, even to the extent of being protected against lawsuits? Do they believe that our Bill of Rights should be ignored or destroyed, and that the votes of American citizens should be counted by secretly programmed machines? I don’t believe that they really believe all that. Rather, I believe that they simply pretend to believe those things, and maybe even force themselves to believe them because they are richly rewarded in campaign contributions and with other perks for doing so. In short, they are morally bankrupt.

Many DUers have accused the Democrats of being simply a light version of the Republican Party. Though there is probably some truth to that accusation, I believe that overall it is not justified. In the first place, the overall voting record of the two parties is vastly different (as discussed above), as are the public pronouncements that parallel those voting records. Yes, I would like to see a more liberal and aggressive Democratic Party, and so would many other people. But I think that we should recognize that today’s Democrats, given the arch conservatism of the corporate news media, are in a very precarious position. I for one am willing to see them move somewhat to the right if that helps them to get control of Congress and the Presidency, so as to give them a chance to break the vicious cycle on a road to Fascism that we are now in.

The bottom line for me is that the Democratic Party as a whole believes strongly in the core values that I’ve discussed in this post, and they’re willing to work, though cautiously, to see those values incorporated into the laws of our country. That is why I’m a Democrat.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:14 AM
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1. On a quick read through it looks like you put a lot of thought & research
into this unfortunately I need more coffee & for the cold meds to kick in before I can reread it and fully digest it all.

Bookmarked & Rec'd B-)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:22 AM
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2. Very good post
I especially agree that health care is a basic human right, also.

The GOP can no longer frame their issues on a moral basis (as Condi was trying to justify torture on tv this morning). We've seen what they consider moral behavior and its anything but.

Free market ideology is not a moral concept and was never intended to be included by the framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Remedies for all the issues and problems facing our country today can be framed with moral arguments and the GOP has been shown to be a fraud in their claims of pursuing moral solutions.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:38 PM
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19. "The GOP has been shown to be a fraud
in their claims of pursuing moral solutions."

So true, And yet, diffciult to fathom as it may be, a sizable minority of U.S. citizens buy the whole thing, thinking that the GOP is the Party of morality :puke:

It reminds me of the psychological principle that those who are most lacking in a quality are the most likely to attack others for presumably lacking that quality.

And with the help of our corporate news media, a sizable minority of people actually buy it.
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zcflint09 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:46 AM
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3. Excellent post
You really put your finger on very well the reasons why we need to support the Democratic Party even if they are a bit more centrist than we'd like to see currently as a party. Very clear and concise post. K and R.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:33 PM
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24. Thank you -- I think we're in real good shape for taking back at least
one house of Congress -- if we can somehow keep the cheating to a mimimum.

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jackpan1260 Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:00 AM
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4. Great post!
:kick:
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:19 AM
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5. I was with you 100% up to here:
"I for one am willing to see them move somewhat to the right if that helps them to get control of Congress and the Presidency, so as to give them a chance to break the vicious cycle on a road to Fascism that we are now in."

I agree that this might be part of the solution in the short-term to regain Congress. BUT it has to be coupled with moving back left after taking office otherwise the whole goal of breaking the fascist cycle will not be accomplished long-term. Not to mention that moving a little to left will actually undo some of the long-term problems introduced by the Administration, such as removal of Constitutional rights and the bankruptcy bill and the preemptive war doctrine. We need someone to undo the damage, but a centrist will mostly accept the status quo and fight to keep us there.

By the way, excellent post. I like your value arguments and I think it does the Democratic Party good to talk values with people. We can disagree on a small point. It's cool.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:34 PM
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18. I agree with you about that
Once the Democrats get back some power they need to move quickly, especially with regard to election reform, media reform, and campaign finance reform, so as to put elections back on a somewhat even footing. Then they will be free to move more to the left and accomplish some really great things for our country.
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:26 AM
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6. Superb Summary! Thank You
When I was about 20 in 1982 I read a similar letter about the difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. The issues were a little different but the basics haven't changed much. I've voted Democratic ever since.

I don't save or forward many posts form DU, but this one is a keeper. Its too long and has too many big words for most Republican voters, but for someone on the edge, this post might bring them into the light.

Thank You!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:36 PM
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23. Thank you bonzotex -- I think that many Republicans are Republicans simply
out of ignorance, and if they knew what they were voting for they would switch.

I think that the early 1980s was a turning point in American politics. Somehow Reagan made the "mean and selfish", using different words, sound like virtues, and we've been paying the price every since.

I hope that this has some influence on someone whom you send it to.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:27 AM
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7. Do you really believe this part??
"The Democratic Party believes that, in addition to helping American citizens directly, government also has a responsibility to regulate powerful corporations in the public interest."

I really think you are confusing what Democrats as everyday citizens believe with what elected or even appointed party officials believe because in the end, they are not demonstrating agreemant with much of what you speak towards here.

Sure, they do speak of all this, but their votes rarely match, especially if the vote really matters. As bad as these rubber stamp republicans have been, they certainly have had a lot of help.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:06 AM
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14. I certainly do believe it
This is not simply a black an white issue. To say that Democrats believe that corporations should be regulated in the public interest does not mean that all Democrats will side against corporations on all votes. It simply means that they believe this as a general principle. There may be good reasons on individual votes to side with corporations, including a belief that doing so will increase employment or result in the production of superior products that will benefit consumers. And in addition, Democrats who normally vote in the interests of their constituents may on occasion feel the need to vote against them for political reasons (i.e., to prevent a Republican from taking over their seat.)

On the one hand, you have the extremist Republicans who side with the corporations always, even when doing so goes beyond free market ideology, to corporate welfare. On my opinion, those Congresspersons are simply morally banrupt.

Then you have the free market ideologues, who almost always side with the corporations against the people, but draw the line at obvious instances of corporate welfare. I believe that most of those are morally bankrupt as well, but less so than in the above category.

I don't believe that you will find any Democratic Congresspersons in those two categories, or at least they are very rare.

Then you have a big grey area, of Congresspersons who believe in the general principle that corporations have some responsibility to the public, and therefore must be regulated by government, but are more likely than we are to see reasons for voting for relaxing regulations in individual instances.

Anyhow, consider the Clear Skies Initiative, which couldn't get out of Committee because of Democrats who refused to let it get out:
http://www.pbs.org/now/science/clearskies05.html

I think that that is as clear an example as any that Democrats generally do feel that there should be at least some accountability to the public on the part of corporations.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 12:01 PM
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15. In some of the environmental cases, I do agree...
As far as passing laws that aid corporations but cost consumers, I disagree.

maybe I'm too cynical any more... I don't think it has much to do with ideaology... They vote for their biggest donors best interests just like every other politician.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:28 AM
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8. An excellent post!
I hope you don't mind but I used excerpts from it to send to my evangelical, wingnut MIL who has been harrassing me lately.
Thanks for putting it all down so succinctly and clearly!
:thumbsup:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:29 PM
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17. Of course I don't mind - That's the main reason I posted this
I hope it does some good :)
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:31 AM
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9. Excellent post, with a ton of research.
I have to admit that my decision to register as a Democrat was greatly influenced by the political climate of the day when I came of age to vote ~~ which was 21 years at the time. This was in 1969. I simply did not wish to be in the same party as Richard Nixon. I therefore registered as a Democrat in protest against Nixon. That judgment has, IMO, held me in good company since first presidential election vote against that asshole in 1972.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:47 PM
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26. Thank you - My first vote was also against Nixon in 1972
And since then I haven't once found a Republican nominee for president who I thought would make a decent president, nor have I once seen a Democratic nominee who I wasn't happy to vote for.
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calltoliberty Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:46 AM
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10. Fantastic Post!!
Excellent post - articulate and reasoned!

Cross posted from: http://www.calltoliberty.squarespace.com/blog/
Optimistic and Not
Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 07:48AM

It has been good to see Republican Senators display their humanity in recent votes on torture and the Geneva Conventions. For once, the likes of Olympia Snow and John McCain are thinking through serious issues and not providing a rubber-stamp to the President. It is good to see, but I doubt it is the crack in Republican unity some would like it to be.

If more Republicans displayed such independence and did it more consistently, we would not need to hope for a Democratic win in November. But six years are enough to convince: Republicans have no ambition to display independent thinking.

On the other hand, a Democratic win of the House or the Senate is far-fetched at best. It’s not that they won’t have the votes; it’s just that they won’t have access to the voting machines in the middle of the night to change the vote counts. Call me slanted, but cheating is the biggest risk to the Democratic win likely to come from voters in November.

Why? Because the nation has done nothing to stop it. Cheating need not be widespread, but carefully focused in only a few districts, to prevent a change in the balance of power. It is so easy and so fast: demonstrations of altering vote counts require 90 seconds of access to alter the will of the people and disenfranchise us from our government.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:23 PM
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21. Hi calltoliberty!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:43 PM
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25. Thank you - I agree with you that the danger of election fraud
is very real, and I can't understand why the Democrats haven't apparently paid much attention to it.

I like your site -- especially "How do we know they were guilty?" I've written about that a lot on DU, including in this post:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/67

So, did you write "Call to Liberty?"

And welcome to DU :toast:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:42 AM
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11. I think it's importants to state that we have values too
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:45 AM
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12. Sorry, wrong thread...


There is no evidence Canadian officials were involved in the U.S. extradition of Syrian-Canadian engineer Maher Arar to Syria, according to a public inquiry report released Monday. The report's author, Justice Dennis O'Connor, said Arar was an innocent man with no ties to al-Qaeda when he was detained in the U.S. and sent to his native Syria, where he was tortured and imprisoned for a year.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/18/maher-arar.html






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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:24 PM
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22. Hi Drops_not_Dope!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:47 AM
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13. My bumper sticker design on "Party Values"


Political Party Values Bumper Sticker @ CafePress.com

Democrats stand for peace, progress and human rights.
Republicans, for war, bigotry, torture and greed.
What party represents YOUR values?


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:36 PM
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30. That's great, but they left out hypocrisy and election fraud
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 12:35 PM
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16. With these words the Great American hipocrisy began...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

and all that was needed to correct it was this: ....these truths should be self-evident...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:19 AM
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31. I think that most of us tend to talk in terms of things BEING self-evident
rather than should be self-evident. For examptle, most DUers, including me, would say that it is self-evident that Bush and his Republican cohorts are fools and hypocrites, rather than say that it SHOULD BE self-evident.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:52 PM
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20. Excellent, I have always wanted to put together the reasons why
I am a Democrat, but never found the time and I am not that good at writing long pieces like this. I am too technical, guess that is why I am in engineering.

Outstanding post!

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:58 AM
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32. Thank you very much
I've had the same problem -- I'm an epidemiologist. I found that when I write for a non-scientific audience I need to go light on the technical stuff in order to write effectively, otherwise I think people get bored with it.
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:57 PM
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27. Excellent Post - Well Articulated Ideas
During the 2004 campaign I posted similar thoughts on this forum and challenged Democrats to take the moral issues intiative. Yet, this forum's Dems refused to do so at that time. Somehow, they were intimidated by the word "morality" and felt it was not in the best interest of the party to do so. I pointed out that this was the Dems strategy during the 1960s but, somehow, my words were not accepted by the forum's posters.

For years I have said that it was the Democratic party that had the moral upper hand. But unless you use it, it is of no value to you, me, or the USA.


Perhaps there is now a change. And if so, it is long overdue.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:08 PM
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29. Thank you USA
I think you're right that we need to speak about morality, for a number of reasons.

It's a winning issue for us once the issues are clarified, and in any event, just the fact that the Republicans speak about it so much wins them a lot of votes.

I think that the reason that some DUers shy away from it is that they are repulsed by the hypocrisy with which the Republicans use it, and they don't want to be associated with that. It is certainly
true that those who doubt their own virtues are the ones most likely to attack others on those issues. For example, almost all the Republicans who are calling Democrats cowards for suggesting that we withdraw from Iraq have never served in the military themselves.

But that is not a good reason for us not to talk about this. Morality is a very important issue IMO, and the fact that Republicans talk about it a lot (hypocritically) doesn't mean that it's not an important issue. In fact, one of the main reasons why I voted against Bush twice is that I believe that he has no morals. In other wordys, even if he had advocated during the campaigns everything that I believe in, I still wouldn't have voted for him because I couldn't trust him.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:55 PM
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28. Kicked for time
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