Ex-UK Intel Officer Wylde: "Liquid Bombs a Fiction, Plot--lies and deceit"

[Dems Will Win]

IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A LIQUID BOMB ON A PLANE

I had a previous thread saying the same thing a couple of weeks ago. We were duped--again! You can't make these chemical bombs in a plane lavatory.

Plain and simple.

Lieutenant-Colonel (ret.) Nigel Wylde, a former senior British Army Intelligence Officer, has suggested that the police and government story about the "terror plot" revealed on 10th August was part of a "pattern of lies and deceit."

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But Lt. Col. Wylde, who was awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal for his command of the Belfast Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit in 1974, described this scenario as a "fiction." Creating liquid explosives is a "highly dangerous and sophisticated task," he states, one that requires not only significant chemical expertise but also appropriate equipment.

Terror plot scenario "untenable"

"The idea that these people could sit in the plane toilet and simply mix together these normal household fluids to create a high explosive capable of blowing up the entire aircraft is untenable," said Lt. Col. Wylde, who was trained as an ammunition technical officer responsible for terrorist bomb disposal at the Royal Army Ordnance Corps in Sandhurst.

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"So who came up with the idea that a bomb could be made on board? Not Al Qaeda for sure. It would not work. Bin Laden is interested in success not deterrence by failure," Wylde stated.

"This story has been blown out of all proportion. The liquids would need to be carefully distilled at freezing temperatures to extract the required chemicals, which are very difficult to obtain in the purities needed."

Once the fluids have been extracted, the process of mixing them produces significant amounts of heat and vile fumes. "The resulting liquid then needs some hours at room temperature for the white crystals that are the explosive to develop." The whole process, which can take between 12 and 36 hours, is "very dangerous, even in a lab, and can lead to premature detonation," said Lt. Col. Wylde.

If there was a conspiracy, he added, "it did not involve manufacturing the explosives in the loo," as this simply "could not have worked." The process would be quickly and easily detected. The fumes of the chemicals in the toilet "would be smelt by anybody in the area." They would also inevitably "cause the alarms in the toilet and in the air change system in the aircraft to be triggered. The pilot has the ability to dump all the air from an aircraft as a fire-fighting measure, leaving people to use oxygen masks. All this means the planned attack would be detected long before the queues outside the loo had grown to enormous lengths."

A lot more:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_0918.html

''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'' - Senior Bush Advisor


RECOMMEND TO GET THIS TO KO!

[htuttle]

1. "Fakes on a Plane!"

[Hugin]

4. I was just waiting for that one...

:eyes:

( :rofl: )

[maxsolomon]

the word of the day is 'UNTENABLE'

is you learning, murka? put down the corn syrup & pick up a dictionary.

[acmavm]

2. Hence all the MacGyver jokes here at DU. I don't think too many people

believed that one.

[leftofthedial]

3. The "War" on "Terror"

is a marketing campaign

[Hugin]

5. That's ' War©®™ on Terror©®™ ' if you don't mind...

;)

[leftofthedial]

7. sorry.

I wonder if State Department lawyers are allowed to torture trademark infringers.

[Hugin]

9. Good question...

For now it's best to dot every tee and cross every eye!

... or something like that.

:thumbsup:

[leftofthedial]

10. eyes crossed

[louis-t]

11. They have a trademark on torture, too

[Hugin]

15. Oh, yeah... ' Torture®©™ '

That's a biggie.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. They have set the trials for those people far into the future.

If they are eventually let go it will have no effect on the current politics.

[bluerum]

8. One problem is that people do not have even a passing

understanding of the (relatively simple) laboratory procedures that are required to pull something like this off. Saying that

"The liquids would need to be carefully distilled at freezing temperatures to extract the required chemicals, which are very difficult to obtain in the purities needed."

just causes most peoples eyes to glaze over. They have no basis on which to judge when they are being deceived. This multiplies the fear factor effect put into play by their leaders.

[Gregorian]

12. The Daily Show did a great bit on this.

Or am I confusing it with a great post here? I think it was TDS.

Basically, if you see someone with a five gallon bucket of dry ice on his lap for 8 hours, mixing toxic chemicals, you might want to notify the stewardess.

We were never fooled here. There are too many chemists who know better. Hell, even in high school, in a decent laboratory, Drew Pettigrew had a hell of a time getting nitroglycerine concocted to the point where it started fuming away, and half the school had to be evacuated. But it took some real doing. Oh, 1973 was a fun year.


People who are determined to blow things up are going to find ways to do it. We need another approach. But if it requires changing our lifestyles, it's out of the question. But that is what is driving this problem. Our lifestyle demands that we invade and occupy countries.

[rman]

13. UK suspended article 5 of the European convention on Human Rights

(partial transcript)

...(since the 7/7 bombings) police powers have risen considerably. These include the right to detention without trial. The UK is currently the only European nation to have suspended article 5 of the European convention on Human Rights, which prevents detention without trial.
How can a supposedly free, moral and rational society allow the imprisonment of human being without having the evidence to actually charge them with wrongdoing? What happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty? When was it decided that it no longer applies to every one of us irrespective of race or background?

Consider the cases of the following terrorists:
- Walter Wolfgang, 82 year old pensioner removed from the labor party conference in september 2005 for hackling Jack Straw. And then, after trying to gain reentry detained under the Terrorism Act.
- Eighty year old John Cat, stopped by police for wearing a t-shirt suggesting that Bush and Blair be tried for war crimes; searched under the Terrorism Act.
- Sally Cameron, arrested and held for four hours for walking on a cycle path in Dundee, under the Terrorism Act.
- Isabel Alice Cockrof, stopped and searched under the Terrorism Act, despite being eleven years old.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said in a GMTV interview in february 2005: "I don't think people should distinguish to easily between crime and terrorism".

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from
Ludicrous Diversion - 7/7 London Bombings
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2771569
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4943675105275097719

[Stand and Fight]

14. Recommended! Number Seven...

[donco6]

16. I read the earlier thread and have thought about it ever since.

I agree with you. This is just completely out of all realm of possibility. And now we have rules where people can't have caps on their pill bottles, no lip gloss or water or anything else that might make traveling a sane experience. I'm all for being safe, but we have to draw the line somewhere. This is just out of control.

[mom cat]

17. I knew it was wierd when it was announced. Glad it is being exposed.

[tk2kewl]

18. Impossible... I don't think so

Diet Coke and Mentos

[Cha]

19. And to think of all the little

repukes this news had shivering in their timbers. :scared: :scared:

[mhatrw]

20. Kick.

Great story!