Torture and Death

[undergroundpanther]

1 in 4 people are sociopaths and ALOT of sociopaths get off on torturing people,emotionally,physically,financially or sexually.Sociopaths contrary to popular mythology are NOT created by childhood abuse. They are an anomaly some think it's genetic or something wrong with their make up..
http://ill-get-there.blogspot.com/2006/07/abuse-myths.html

It's empathy that makes us as human as we are, while helping us to manage our most violent feelings.
We don't kill others or ourselves because we still see the human being in others, and ourselves and feel sympathy or caring.
When our sense of connection is gone, then any kind of violence can be unleashed.

People who torture others have lost touch with their own humanity. No longer able to care about themselves, they grow to hate others. Desperate to have any kind of feeling, they torture feelings out of others.

Sociopaths have NO EMPATHY,They DO KNOW right from wrong and do not care..That is WHY they can torture people and sleep at night..

Serial killers frequently have extreme sadistic urges. Ones who lack the ability to empathize with the suffering of others are frequently called psychopathic or sociopathic, terms which have been renamed among professional psychologists as Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Some serial killers engage in torture murder, a loosely defined term involving killing victims slowly over a prolonged period of time. How many of the torturers at Abu Gharib were deliberately selected for the job by the US military? A military that KNOWS the soldiers personality profiles,keeps dossiers on everyone? How many sadists were selected because the military KNEW they WERE sociopaths and liked to torture people?

If you are observant you can detect who's a sociopath by observing his actions ,his lies and history of crimes.

To stop them you must KILL the sociopaths. Don't torture ,don't trap,Don't give them dramas, they will not reform,just kill them quickly for there is not many other options that will stop sociopaths.Killing is giving a torturer much more mercy than he gives his victims. It does not diminish your character to kill a torturer I think .I think it shows you DO have character and you DO care about yourself and protecting others who do not cause harm and their quality of life as well from a dangerous individual with no conscience who will not stop torturing others until they themselves are dead...

Killing isn't evil if it is done quickly with minimal pain,it really isn't.People kill fleas and pests quickly. Animals get euthanized,as did Terry Shiavo who was hurting nobody. Alot of people felt no remorse over Terri. They don't feel remorse over killing spiders..

A sociopath has no CONSCIENCE they are a clear DANGER to humanity and to kids as long as they exist.At some point you have to disregard WHY they got that way and realize they will not change,and DO something.. It's strange because are charismatic,glib,are often attractive,are awake and look alive and appear the same as we look to US. Some People feel shame killing someone who would gleefully torture us to death? But don't feel shame over Terri Shiavio who was hurting nobody and was no danger to anyone. This makes NO sense to me.

I myself would rather die than face torture again.Quality of life matters more than mere existence to me. I think quality of life makes the difference between suicide and contentment in life. Life is or should be more than existing and suffering.20 years of therapy has not taken away the pain and despair and symptoms of PSTD I face everyday.My life has been ruined by sociopath people I have encountered. If they were not alive for so long,maybe I and others would not be in such a mess now.

Torture and its effects do not stop when the victim is safe from the sadistic assholes. Torture keeps on going on inside the person long after the event is passed,and it keeps wounding the person.Trauma scars the brain.It shatters the self and destroys the feeling the world is manageable forever. That is why torture is evil.It destroys a person's perceptions the world is safe or coherent forever.This is why DEATH is preferable to torture IMO. Death is mercy.
To prove this I ask why do
Torturers desperately(to the point of using medical doctors to supervise torture) try to not LET THEIR VICTIMS DIE? They do this for a reason..They do not want to give any mercy to the victim.

TORTURE is evil and WRONG always..Torture is designed to destroy a person and make them live through it..and die slowly from the inside out.
Death is mercy compared to torture.

Torture and the people who do it MUST NOT BE allowed to continue to torture people and get away with it .Torturers must be killed because they don't stop torturing people on their own initiative because they have no empathy or conscience inside them to understand WHY torture is WRONG...Torturers get off on it ,they like it, they make a career of it all to get away with it. they are sociopaths and sociopaths do NOT reform.Sociopaths lack empathy the very component that makes us human..They will cause suffering wherever they go and they will not cease until they are dead. That is reality.

[MadMaddie]

1. Thank you for sharing your pain....

This is what the supporters of torture do not want to see....it is ironic that they call themselves Christians..but is it really....throughout history religions have condoned their torture....

I agree with you about Sociopaths....we have many in the WH and Congress......they have no place in Society....

[mmonk]

2. That should be sent to members of congress.

Nothing justifies it.

[undergroundpanther]

3. Go ahead send it

On a side note ..A bad childhood touches many people in this world.
Not all abused kids grow up to abuse others. Why is that? The cycle of violence is an INCOMPLETE idea because it insults victims of abuse who NEVER abused others with it's assumption that abused kids make for criminal adults and this is not TRUE.

So, What IS the crucial difference makes an abused kid become an abusive adult? I think abusers as kids were already sociopaths born that way, born defective in their conscience or made that way through physical factors too early to be caused by abuse itself,That is why I think the majority of abuse victims do NOT grow up to be Abusers...

1 in 4 people already carry something in the spectrum of the personality traits that are in the realm of sociopath.Sociopath traits can be observed in kids as young as two. Some sociopaths come from homes where they were NOT abused.And they grow up to abuse others,despite a safe nurturing childhood environment. The cycle of violence mythology does not explain this.

An abused sociopath kid will definitely grow up to use torture others as a way to get off,get power,get a thrill and dominate others. Because the kid NEVER had a conscience or empathy, they don't have it as an adult,all they saw from being abused is they wanted that kind of power over others for them self..
Abused kids who are not anti social personalities to begin with,they don't grow up to be torturers. The kids with a conscience and that can feel empathy who get abused tend to NOT want to suffer or watch suffering in their adult lives because they do not LIKE it and they seek escape from the pain in their memories in their lives.

Not all abused kids will grow up to be abusive adults.SOME do,So what is the deciding factor?

I think it is the personality, of Sociopathy.

A sociopath will harm others regardless of what his childhood was like. People need to look at the sociopath factor and the flaw it is when they look at whom becomes abusive and why.
Strangely this separation of traits has been slow in coming in the psychology field. Too slow if you ask me.

[mmonk]

6. Could be some sort of problem

in the genetic strand that pops up every once in awhile. While I'm sure bad environmental situations play a factor occasionally (I've seen some grow up to make the same mistakes or do some of the same things and some that don't), you are correct. There is a probability that something else is going on with many where conditions have obviously not been a factor.

[intaglio]

4. Orwell; The object of torture is torture n/t

[sui generis]

5. Sociopathy is a survival mechanism

The last coupla thousand years were a cakewalk compared to how things were before, and having a conscience about what you had to do then to stay alive would have gotten in the way; would have meant that hardly any of us would be here today. It is only in larger social groups that "empathy" becomes an emergent positive trait to select for because sociopaths are dangerous to a cohesive community, except perhaps as soldiers, the king's torturers, and executioners. You also need some form of empathy to give a damn about raising your kids and protecting your gene line.

I think it's still a switch you can flip in many more people than just one in four, if you keep convincing their hindbrains that they are in mortal danger.

And that's what republicans do. They want a nation of sociopaths, because the perk of having a bunch of sociopaths running around is that they don't give a damn about blowing children to bits in foreign countries, nothing stirs at pictures of dead families murdered as "collateral damage", they would happily burn every GLBT at the stake or at least make them as utterly miserable as humanly possible, they have no use for social programs that actually help people, no use for the "experience" of art and other liberal values, and nothing matters so long as it's "legal", or approved of in the bible. They didn't have any problem lynching teenagers in the south just a few short decades ago, and they don't have any problem at all playing sniper games on their Playstation in highschool and for real against Thuh Enumy, and mostly just because huntin' big game is fun. A nation of sociopaths who will slash your throat to steal your baby, who will shoot you for cutting them off in traffic, who will beat someone to death and claim gay panic. Even celebrities who will strangle and stab their ex-wives and their boy-pals wearing tiny little gloves that do not fit, who hire hit men to shoot their wives at dinner at a restaurant.

The problem is, I don't think people can really ever flip that switch back to the "off" position once it's powered up and active. A real sociopath really doesn't have any social mores at all. Of course the most dangerous kind are the ones that really don't behave noticably different from anyone else. If it's easier to shove a stranger off a platform in a busy subway station than walk around that person, THAT's what a real sociopath does, nothing personal, but because you got in the way, in their mind. That's scary.

You want to know who is telling you they're a sociopath? Everybody who uses the phrase "thuh enumy". Just pay attention - the first step in practicing to be a sociopath is to dehumanize and abstract a class of humans. Thuh Enumy. They're all around you. They're everywhere. Thuh Enumy.

Can't you just feel the warmth draining out of your soul right now?

[aikoaiko]

7. 1 in 4 are sociopaths? where did you get that?

that seems like an absurd statistic.