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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:19 AM
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How long before Senators Graham and McCain betray their principles?
They say they support the Geneva Convention. They say the President is wrong with his ideas to legalize torture. They say they will stand up for their principles and what is right for our country. But, will they? How long before they fold their cards under the pressure of this radical White House? I would not bet too much on these horses.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:22 AM
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1. Hmmm - I would say about a week before the final vote. Sooner if necessay
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:24 AM
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2. I give them until Wed. or so....nt
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:26 AM
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3. Coulter called them “the al-Qaeda contingent”
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2006/09/17/an_evening_with_ann_and_lynn.html

Republicans eating their own - Wonder if Stephanie Miller* will include this on her segment titled the same.

* www.stephaniemiller.com
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:26 AM
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4. I think McCain will stand up to this
He experienced torture himself. He can't distance himself from it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:22 AM
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17. Think again.
Did he say boo after Bush issued his infamous signing statement that disemboweled McCain's anti-torture law? I think not.

He and the other 'renegades' will agree to torture and kangaroo kourts. The real question is will the Opposition Party stand up and say no.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:26 AM
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5. McCain?!? Principles?!?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:28 AM
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9. Yeah, that's the same thing that confused me.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:26 AM
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6. As soon as Dick presents them with their wiretaps.
They will have an epiphany.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:27 AM
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7. Tricky question
I suspect McCain at least will hold out for a fig leaf. He has to be able to present himself as a change in 2008, and this is one of the key ways he supposedly differs from teh Bush camp.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:27 AM
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8. it depends on the level of info that NSA has on them
all our Senators are being blackmailled IMO
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:28 AM
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10. I'm no McCain fan but didn't he stick to his guns on previous...
...torture legislation? If I recall correctly, after agreeing to McCain's terms, Bush turned around and issued a signing statement.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:23 AM
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18. And McCain, that man of principles then...
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 10:24 AM by endarkenment
sat down. Oh, and he shut up.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:30 AM
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11. Maybe McCain will sellout for a nice head of lettuce picked at 50 an hr.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:31 AM
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12. As soon as the RNC threatens to cut their campaign funding
Then they'll cave.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:33 AM
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13. Principles - Which ones? This bill is nearly as bad as Bush's .
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:34 AM
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14. A couple days till a deal is cut
Then they will go back to same old, same old.
The trouble is that nothing can be clarified enough for dubby to understand. If he can't make out the Geneva Conventions now, he never will get it.
McCain will lose his presidential preference from dubby if he ever had it, if he doesn't kowtow.
Don't trust BFEE John!
:freak:
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:37 AM
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15. Neither actually has "principles"
They have both demonstrated that. McCain in ways too many to list, and Graham by his eagerness to impeach a President for a private matter that hurt only his wife, daughter and that young intern and then followed up by ignoring the crimes of this grotesque, flat out criminal admin that have hurt the entire world and outright scream for impeachment AND his deal with Bush previously, on these very issues, when he caved on habeus corpus.

Anyway, both will cave to Bush's demands this week, as will Warner and Collins.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:55 AM
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16. These People Don't Have Principles
If they did, the country would not be in the place it is. This is just another ploy they are using as elections get closer.
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