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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:24 PM
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Two BLOCKBUSTER events regarding Diebold should be any day now.
Edited on Sun Sep-17-06 04:59 PM by Justice Is Comin
http://www.bradblog.com/Audio/MikeMalloy_MikePapantonio_071206.mp3





The Qui Tam lawsuit against Diebold by Robert Kennedy and Papantonio was filed July 13th. As is required in this type of civil fraud case, they had to give Gonzalez 60 days to respond as to whether the Justice Department would want to take over the litigation or participate. :rofl: It would appear that 60 days has now elapsed and Pap has promised when this gag notice on him had expired, he would reveal details about what their whistleblower witnesses have told them that will rock the world. He said he was dying to tell us.

I sure haven't heard of criminal smirk boy saying the Justice Department would love to take over this Diebold lawsuit on behalf of the American taxpayer have you?

This is the same kind of case that took down the cigarette companies. No way for Diebold to stop it or avoid the depositions. For those who didn't know, Pap was one of the attorneys who took them down. Pap, c'mon son we're cocked and loaded with these jumping smilies and we'll be all over your news.

Also, a month or so ago there was a very important hearing on the controversy of the e-voting machines held in the congress. The republicans blew my mind with their comments. They sounded more like Democrats.

Two very high powered Congressmen on this committee--Boehlert and Ehlers promised another followup hearing in "September" that would deal strictly with the topic of need for a paper trail to validate the actual votes if necessary. They acknowledged all those sitting in the audience attending the hearing that were wearing t-shirts calling for a paper trail and promised this hearing. They said that with the technology available, there shouldn't be any excuse to not accurately count the votes. That should tie in very nicely with what Pap has to say. And perfect timing leading up to the election.

Anybody heard anything about these two exciting coming attractions? I can't wait for the show to begin.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:28 PM
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1. Couple that with FOX featuring the Princeton tape and we have ourselves a
GOP issue that will be turned on Democrats.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:30 PM
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2. Bullshit! What are you talking about?
Edited on Sun Sep-17-06 04:32 PM by lonestarnot
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:37 PM
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5. Sorry, but I don't believe in coincidence with BushInc. FOX reports the
Princeton study and Republicans sounding concerned about voting machines and Gonzalez implying he might be interested in joining Kennedy's case all adds up to the GOPs covering their own deceptions; and since they control most broadcast media, they get to portray the problem as if they are the potential victims instead of having to discuss it as the PERPETRATORS.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:43 PM
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6. Getting in front of the story is not going to help them. They've been
exposed. FOX SNOOZE watchers will swallow whatever, I'm not concerned about them. It's dems that need to get the message.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:54 PM
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9. Except the entire issue RFK is bringing to court is about FUTURE ELECTIONS
and NOT about the past one.

He had no whistleblower come forward to discuss the PAST election - no doubt they were too fearful to do that. However, the whistleblowers did agree to speak to what the company KNEW about the potential for tampering that they did not impart to their state and county customers.

Once the issue is engaged on the FUTURE elections, ANY party who runs with it will OWN it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:57 PM
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15. Oh what? You think Red Rover or Dishonorable Dick is gona confess?
:rofl: Get out...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 07:15 PM
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16. I don't get what you're saying. The media is going to make it about
FUTURE elections, too. To coincide with the GOPs storyline that they are concerned about voting machines and want to make it an issue.

RFK's lawsuit is about what the manufacturers' KNEW about the machines' vulnerability, not about 2004 being stolen.

So, when GOPs and FOX start acting as if they are leading on the "issue" of machine fraud, it's not hard to see where this is going. And it isn't going back to 2004.

So, I guess I just don't "get" your replies. What did I miss?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 07:34 PM
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17. Did you listen to the Malloy link? You've narrowed the issue,
the law suit hasn't.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:36 PM
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20. Ewww contraire my friend.
Edited on Sun Sep-17-06 10:55 PM by Justice Is Comin
If you are not familiar with the name Clint Curtis, I'm guessing you soon will be. He is running for congress in the 24th district of Florida against the man who asked him to write a program that would manipulate the votes for 2000. That's right. Tom Feeney asked Clint to deliberately write him a program that would flip the votes in 2000. Clint won his primary this year to be on the ballot in a landslide.

I have a video for you that will put a big smile on your face. This is Clint's testimony before Congress. After you watch it, tell me that Pap isn't going to have this man on the top of his witness list. Clint is just the tip of the iceberg for Diebold, even though in his testimony before Congress, he said he didn't have direct knowledge of anyone at Diebold. He still verified that a voting machine can be easily compromised and explained that he could do it. He also passed a polygraph test with flying colors.

ENJOY........and thanks to the great Brad again. http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/2004/12/video-online-of-clint-curtis-testimony.html


This video is a long project for dial uppers like me, but well worth it. If you would just like to read about this whistleblower, here's a link for you though also......http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Clint_Curtis
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 08:55 AM
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23. Curtis will be called for Kennedy's case?
The initial release I saw was about the POTENTIAL for fraud, not about the fraud that occurred, and I heard it was because the whistleblowers wouldn't speak to the past fraud but WOULD speak to what the company knew about the potential for fraud that they didn't share with their customers.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 12:34 PM
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26. I understand it to be an all encompassing case.
They are taking all and any runways that lead to Diebold's money. The idea is to break them financially.

In a Qui Tam case, the plaintiff is entitled to between 15 and 30 percent of the judgment or settlement. If the Justice Department takes over the case, the plaintiff is entitled to up to 25 percent of the recovery depending on how much they contribute to the case.

If you listened to Mike on the audio link, they are sitting on some bombshell information. This certainly suggests to me it is going to go to provable past fraud on the part of Diebold. My guess is that they have insider Diebold whistleblowers.

A Qui Tam case is a private individual or individuals suing on behalf of the government. If the damages were in the future, the case would be moot. How do you quantify an amount of damages for something that hasn't happened?

Clint is someone who can interact as an expert witness in preparing depositions, questions they won't be able to answer. Most likely the machine he was asked to "fix" for the 2000 election was a Diebold.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 12:46 PM
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28. That would be great - I know RFK was speaking cautiously and I understand
why. If there is a whistleblower about 2004, then it's better for them for it to remain quiet.

Should we even be discussing it here publically at this point? There's alot to be said for flying under the radar.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 12:41 PM
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27. Strange things going on with posts here this morning.
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 12:45 PM by Justice Is Comin
Got two identical for the price of one.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:32 AM
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24. '06 & '08
I can see them floggin' this into a bloody froth ahead of losing their stranglehold on every branch of gov't. They know that we can flip the machines back to the true numbers and they're trying to get their brainless base up in arms.
Diebold is going under the bus. Bu-bye!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:36 AM
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25. Or use Diebold to distract from their use of OTHER companies. With this
crowd and their mediawhores you have to watch out for EVERY angle.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:31 PM
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3. Waiting and watching.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:32 PM
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4. With DRE Machines in many states like Maryland what good does a
"hearing" in September do about the November midterms? And another question: Why would Papantonio feel "free" to divulge all he knows because the Justice Department hasn't responded. And...was the Justice Department "required by Qui Tam" to respond? Why file a suit that gives "60 Days" if no one is "required" to respond in 60 days?

I didn't understand your post...is what I'm saying. Thanks, if you can explain more.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:46 PM
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7. I'm not understanding this either. Was a Complaint filed in federal
court? If that is the case check the federal rules of court for time to answer Complaint. If they don't answer in the time allowed by the Rules, then a request for default can be filed. I don't know if that is what we are talking about though. So why am I saying anything.... LOL
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 05:04 PM
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11. Link added in my OP for you too buddy.
Listen and enjoy.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:53 PM
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13. Woohooo! Thanks Justice is Comin!
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:47 PM
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8. Link added to original post.
Edited on Sun Sep-17-06 04:57 PM by Justice Is Comin
You will hear what I heard. According to what Pap said, it shouldn't be long now.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:58 PM
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10. A lot of BradBlog's stuff has checked out
even if the predicted time frame hasn't always been accurate.

I just hope all this stuff is happening early enough to get rid of those machines, go to paper ballots and slow counts, if necessary.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 05:38 PM
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12. Entire BBV book available for download
here: www.BlackBoxVoting.org

Black Box Voting Book
Chapter 01
Chapter 02
Chapter 03
Chapter 04
Chapter 05
Chapter 06
Chapter 07
Chapter 08
Chapter 09
Chapter 10
Chapter 11
Chapter 12
Chapter 13
Chapter 14
Chapter 15
Chapter 16
d - Appendix
Footnotes
Index
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 04:25 PM
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29. Does anyone here really trust Bev Harris after her 2004 antics?
I sure as hell don't.

Now the issue of electronic cheating machines is dire, but I will look to other experts for my information.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:19 PM
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30. Please note that this version of the book
has been altered to glorify Bev's actions, and reduce other's contributions to the investigation.

Here's an example:

Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century by Bev Harris with David Allen

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-...

Chapter 9, page 88

...I clicked all the links, including the link called “FTP,” which took me to a page full of files.

I called David Allen. "What am I looking at?"


The link above links to the REVISED edition of the book.

The next graf of the REVISED edition reads:

Allen admitted that the file names, like “BS4” and “GA-062802” meant nothing to him, but we both knew that this was an online file stash. He snorted and offered a comment: Incredible stupidity.”

What follows is the first detailed look — ever — into a secret voting system.


In the ORIGINAL version things are written a BIT different:

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/bbv_chapter-...

Chapter 7, page 122

...I clicked all the links. I clicked the link called “FTP” and it took me to a page full of files.

I called my publisher, David Allen. “What am I looking at?”

He took one look at the page and snorted incredulously. “Incredible stupidity.”

“Click ‘Pub’ ” he suggested. We did. What follows is the first detailed look — ever — into a secret voting system.


So, you see Bev HAD to go back and add her little comment about my not being sure. In fact, I identified all the file types by their extensions and told her which file to concentrate on (.pdf, .doc, .txt, .asc, etc) and which to skip.

A prima facia example of Bev playing up her part while diminishing someone else.

Also, my actual words when Bev asked what we were looking at were: "The keys to the candy store". Bev re-wrote that to "incredible stupidity" because she feared prosecution because she then knew the true importance of the files.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:55 PM
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14. My Mr. Malloy! Woohoo!
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 08:20 PM
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18. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the audio!
Real hope!

THIS is what fighting back sounds like.

GO PAP!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 09:16 PM
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19. a good interview
thanks for posting. Everyone take a listen to this, even if you can't believe there's any hope on the election front.

And what do we do if these qui tam lawsuits don't work? Why should fair elections be left up to these kamikaze legal devices? By these means will it take as long to litigate as it has for going up against tobacco companies? Don't get me wrong--I'm glad to see RFK jr. doing something out of what I THINK are the best motives...

Lawyer Papantonio has some interesting perspectives, although you may not be as optimistic as he is...
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:31 PM
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21. K&R!
:woohoo:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 04:08 AM
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22. here's a
:kick:

Whateevr happens, these elections are going to be an interesting roller coaster ride. Buckle up.
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