Bush wants article 3 changes to be retroactive, media ignoring this fact

[AlCzervik]

except for Olbermann but i did miss Democracy now last night and i bet that didn't escape Amy. Does this seem to be more egregious than other things he's demanded or is it just me?

So lets hope that Warner and the others hang tight and don't give him what he wants so when the detainees that just got moved to GITMO will tell the Red cross what was done to them in those secret prisons, lets hope Bush doesn't get his "Get out of jail card"

[liberal N proud]

1. That is part of the reason he is so desperate to get this legislation

He needs to save his sorry little ass from jail and he knows it.

If he does not get his way, we all need to be on our toes for some crazy shit from this maniac

[MissWaverly]

2. but if they do give him his way, they can also be prosecuted

most of these congress critters are lawyers and know the legal code, I don't think they're
going to be too anxious to move from the House to the "Big House" aka the "Slammer"

[niceypoo]

6. You hit the nail on the head...

...he sees that the democrats are going to take over and he is scrambling to save his ass from going to the hague for war crimes, hense the sudden urgency.

[MADem]

9. BINGO--and he's gonna stomp his foot and pout until he gets his

way....or take over the country and rule by decree...

[silverweb]

3. Three words to feed his fear:

"Crimes against humanity."

The time to pay up is coming soon.

No pass, George.

No pardons for you or your gang.

Tremble, you bastards.

:grr:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Of course he does.

That's really the main point of the legislation. Bush tells us that if we don't waterboard all those Terr'ists, they'll come and kill all our children, but that's bullshit; what's got Bush's panties in a twist is the fact that they've already done a whole lot of bad shit to a lot of people -- some of whom will be spilling the beans before long -- and that this bad shit is illegal NOW, no matter how you interpret the Geneva Conventions. So as the law stands now, somebody will be subject to prosecution for war crimes. Once he's out of office, what's to prevent him from having his sorry ass hauled off to The Hague? He's got to be worried -- I think his anger and agitation at recent press conferences is evidence of that.

[AlCzervik]

7. Jonathan Turley was on Olbermann last night and he said he thinks

that when the detainees that just got moved start talking to the red cross it's going to be ugly and that why Bush is bringing this up now, he said he thinks the WH knows somethings coming.

[MADem]

10. I think Turley hit that supposition out of the park, frankly. Right on

the money. They've got to make these crimes they've been committing "non-crimes" and toute suite, chop-chop, straight away.

[AlCzervik]

11. me too, i hadn't really thought about that angle until i heard him

i should have read my paper a little more intently when this story first started breaking the other day. It's maddening that he uses so much bullshit and bluster and jingoism all in the name of covering his ass.

[rocktivity]

8. Call his anger and agitation what it really is

FEAR!!!

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[fooj]

13. Yep. Little Lord Pissypants is SCARED shitless.

[rusty charly]

5. especially since they've now admitted to break GCs.

[abluelady]

12. Don't Count On It

I can't see Warner and the others not compromising somehow. And the compromise is probably going to be "ignoring the past, but in the future, blah, blah, blah. Remember we're dealing with Repukes.

[sendero]

14. I wish someone would explain to me..

... how you can make a retroactive law.

[Junkdrawer]

15. DemocracyNow covered it over a week ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2070962

Best hour of news on radio or TV. It's not perfect, but it's far and away the best.

[AndyA]

16. An attorney told me Bush would not be able to make the changes

retroactively. It's unconstitutional.

It's prohibited because if a person commits a crime, they are tried based on the laws in place at the time of the crime, not laws enacted or changed later. Bush will have to change the Constitution to make this retroactive.

Of course, the Constitution is just a G*d damned piece of paper to Bush. Bush would wipe his butt with it, given the chance, he despises it so.

[HockeyMom]

17. Just imagine the far reaching consequences

of declaring Ipso Facto null and void? That would mean that if they struck down Roe, every single doctor who has performed an abortion in the past 30 years could be prosecuted. They could pass a law now saying that any woman having one could be prosecuted. Again, with Ipso Facto, they could prosecute millions of people going back in time.

This concept is fundamental to ALL our laws. It is the basis of all Common Law. Damn. Talk about a Treasonous Act.