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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:52 PM
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Oh, those manly Republicans (and advice to woman on avoiding rape)

Bill Kristol Declared A ‘Manly Man’

Harvard professor and conservative author Harvey Mansfield recently published a book called “Manliness.” Some gems from Mansfield, collected by Reason.com:

As the weaker sex…women are “not in a position to ask for something directly. They’re either obliged to smile a lot and persuade, or make a scene.”

“To resist rape a woman needs more than martial arts and more than the police; she needs a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment.”

“In my experience it is difficult for a man who is attracted to a woman not to find her cute, rather than intimidating, when she gets angry.”

In a new interview with HumanEventsOnline, Mansfield was asked about fellow neoconservative William Kristol:

QUESTION: You’ve taught both William Kristol and Andrew Sullivan. Would you say that Bill Kristol is a manly man?

MANSFIELD: Yes, I would very much, and so is Andrew. To do what Andrew Sullivan has done takes a lot of courage. He came out of the closet, which was kind of a manly act. And he has been one of the first and one of the most successful bloggers. And there he takes his own path, no doubt influenced by his sexuality, but still full of reason and emphasis.

Not surprisingly, Mansfield says the “most manly politician today” is George W. Bush, who is “bold and determined, two manly qualities.”


http://thinkprogress.org/
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zcflint09 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:54 PM
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1. Bill Kristol really degrades all men when he basically compares them to
nitwits by saying that George W. Bush is the "manliest man" out there. What a prick.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:58 PM
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2. Bush, Billy, ???? Manly??? Hardly. These guys, from my perspective,
have never shown me at aspects of MANLINESS...

More like Gurly mon types....
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:00 PM
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3. BUSH Manly?? YUCK
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:00 PM
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4. Bah.
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 01:16 PM by iconoclastic cat
Idiocy.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:00 PM
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5. blech! that's all, just blech. eom
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:03 PM
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6. Yeah, the lil ladies are so *cute* when they're fending off rapists!
Who genuinely fucking thinks this way?



...oh,yeah...

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:06 PM
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7. ladylike modesty... and simply showing "taking offense" would have
prevented my rape. Who knew.

Fighting back, according to this ape, is more likely to lead to being raped than acting offended at the idea of rape?

puhleeze.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:08 PM
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8. This is a real gem:
“To resist rape a woman needs more than martial arts and more than the police; she needs a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment.”

The last guy who tried to grab me on the street ended up with at least one broken rib. Hearing and feeling it crack and hearing him shriek was a source of great satisfaction. I didn't run away. I walked away.

Every woman needs to decide for herself whether fighting or submitting will get her out alive. I'm a fighter. I don't care if I die in the process. I will damage him badly enough that he may never rape again.

Doing the ladylike thing of feminine modesty is just what rapist wants. It means he's superior, in control, and that's what it's all about.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:15 PM
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9. Wow! How'd you crack a rib?
Fist or knee?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:06 PM
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20. Elbow
with my full weight behind it.

I was a full time RN, so I was very strong at that time.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:38 PM
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10. If I were to add up ALL the bullshit written about women lately....
I've said it before and I'll say it again. 2006 is the year of the anti-woman.

Off the top of my head, I recall recent articles stating the following:

1. Women are less intelligent than men.
2. Women are weak.
3. Men shouldn't marry women who have careers.
4. Sperm makes women happy.
5. Women should freeze their eggs before they turn 30 or else it will be too late.
6. Women are happier when they are housewives.
7. Women should be payed less than men because they have babies.
8. Girls shouldn't be given the HPV vaccine because it will make them promiscuous.
9. The morning after pill shouldn't be sold over the counter because teenage girls will abuse it.
10. Anything that comes out of "Dr" Laura's mouth.


I can only come to one conclusion when a man starts declaring the weakness of women. Some men are so filled with fear that they comfort themselves by clinging to the hopes that their bicep muscles are, on average, stronger than a woman's because that is the only comparison of strength that is usually in their favor. Meanwhile they ignore their own weakness which is so visible to everyone else and they don't even realize how foolish they look to the very creatures they fear the most.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:49 PM
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12. A marketing gimmick for publishers.
Make a list like yours and print it on toilet paper. Title it "The Conservative's Guide Being a Fascinating and Modest Republican Woman".
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:52 PM
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13. oooh, good idea!
:rofl:
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:45 PM
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18. Thank you for pointing this out
I thought it was just me. The war on women has begun (again).
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:44 PM
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11. Yes, it's the victim's fault for brazenly showing her ankle to
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 01:49 PM by Cleita
any men around her. :sarcasm:

Yeesch, these guys are full of themselves. When I read crap like this I really wish we ladies could take over governance in the government, religious venues and commerce.

Let the men come begging to us, smiling a lot, persuading or throwing temper tantrums to get what they need and want. Make them wear shirts all the time because their hairy chests and beer bellies are a big turn on and we might rape them.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:55 PM
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14. what are your thoughts about plumber's butt???
is that an invitation as well?? :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:29 PM
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16. LOL!
Oh yeah, especially the hairy ones! :rofl:
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:23 PM
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15. Damn near broke my jaw when it hit the desk reading this...
:wow:

NOW is the time for all good women (and good men in the proper position*) to iniate:
OPERATION LYSISTRATA
http://www.theatredatabase.com/ancient/aristophanes_005.html


* no pun intended
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:30 PM
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17. Why do I hear the themesong for 2 1/2 men playing in my head?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:47 PM
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19. to these people; sociopaths=manly
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 02:48 PM by stepnw1f
they look like cowards to me.... look at the way they operate. They have no values at all.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:10 PM
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21. Y'know...all those "manly men"
are secretly homosexual. George Bush just needs to come out of the closet right now...seriously.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:11 PM
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22. I may be sick
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 05:09 PM
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23. and so were gathered the Knights of the Chickenhawk...
Billy the Manly son of Irving the Trot, Sir Andrew Mighty-Glutes, and Georgi O'BringEmOn...


:silly:

These are manly men?

Not in my stretch of the woods they're not!


:rofl:
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