The attitude toward Rosie O'Donnell tells me we eat our own for no reason

[LibraLiz1973]

Rosie O'Donnell is one of a handful of celebrities who
(a) Consistently speaks out against Bush and his failed policies
(b) Consistently gives money to democratic causes
(c) Consistently tries to help people in need


and yet there are many here who don't like her & seem to enjoy attacking her at every turn.

I understand that you can't like everyone all the time and that is fine. But is it necessary to attack her?
What has she dont personally to you that makes you hate her so?

I'm really surprised more of you aren't actively trying to support her. Much like Keith Olbermann, Rosie is trying to shine a light on the injustices that the Bush admin takes part in every single day. Aside from her blog (www.rosie.com) she now is back on TV talking about this stuff. And are we supporting her? It would appear not.

The other night I saw some of Scarborough Country- he had some fruity guy on calling for a massive boycott of ABC for showing The View. He was instructing people to call, write and email demanding her termination by next Friday. Scarborough said people should call and demand that she be held accountable for her comments.


This is what Rosie said that started the fury:

ROSIE O‘DONNELL, “THE VIEW”: We were attacked not by a nation. And as a result of the attack and the killing of nearly 3000 innocent people, we invaded two countries and killed innocent people in their countries.

Elizabeth Hasselbeck: You understand that the belief funding those attacks, OK, that is widespread. If you take radical Islam and you want to talk about what is going on there you have to .

O‘DONNELL: One second. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have a separation of church and state. We‘re a democracy.

Hasselbeck: We are not bombing ourselves here in the country.

O‘DONNELL: But they are bombing innocent people and other countries, true or false.

Behar: But Christians are not threatening to kill us.

O'DONNELL: ....Iraq and Afghanistan never threatened to kill us. Ever.



Go here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ to see the video of Scarborough and Co. trashing her.

Scarboroughs comments on O'Donnell on Wednesdays show:
...."And I want to make a personal comment. Because I agree with Jennifer that extremists in any religion are dangerous. And I saw extremists up close and personal in Pensacola, Florida and it is frightening. Anybody that uses God as an excuse to kill other people who do not believe like they do either politically or religiously are dangerous.

But to try to put some sort of equality—some sort of balance between the threat that radical Islam causes to this country and radical Christianity is an absolute disgrace. ABC needs to apologize. Rosie O‘Donnell needs to apologize.

And if she does not back off of her statement, she needs to be forced from “The View.” That is not free speech. That is lunacy. And it is dangerous and it spreads hatred."



Here is some Q & A from Rosie's Blog


Here is some Q&A from Rosies Blog.... Tell me again she kisses Bushies ass!
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Tonya writes:

As the wife of a soldier who has served 1 tour in Iraq and preparing to serve another, what would you say to our 3 beautiful kids ages 11,8,4 why daddy is going there? He is a hero to them & me.

he is a hero
as r all who serve
the men who sent them into this unjust war
are the cowards
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You are sooooooooo ignorant. You liberals kill me. Large majority of you , liberals, have never served in the miltary. You still want to dictate how we should run it. I hope you fail on The View!!!!

baby bush
never served
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Rosie,
please tell me why you are always bad mouthing our President? I am a native New Yorker who was raised to show respect to elders especially the President. What is up with you?

well cath
i am an american
speak truth to power
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GoobertheCat writes:

MMoore is a genius at twisting the truth to suit his ideas.
His movies are HIS version of the truth.
Sometimes u r WAY too liberal for me! ARGH!

he is a hero to me
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katie writes:

what if secret wire tapping could help capture 1 terrorist, give us 1 piece of information regarding islamic fascists, save 1 life… I think its time to keep our eye on the ball.

u have to keep ur eye on the constitution
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Billi writes:

Rosie~
Ever feel like we are living the movie Wag the Dog??

yes
as we r
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bonnie writes:

This ” terror alert level ” thing is designed only to remind us to be afraid of ghosts and to distract attention from a failing economy, failing mission in Iraq and a failed mideast policy. Agree ?

i do
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http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23986




AFA calls on ABC, O'Donnell to apologize for comments
Sep 15, 2006
By Staff
Baptist Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A prominent conservative group is asking Christians to contact ABC and request an apology and a reprimand after "The View" co-host Rosie O’Donnell compared "radical Christianity" to "radical Islam" during the Sept. 12 program.

"O'Donnell was saying there is no difference between the radical Muslims who kill in the name of Allah and Bible believing Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus," a statement from the American Family Association says. "Neither O'Donnell nor ABC apologized for the comments. Had she made similar comments about minorities or homosexuals, there would have been an apology and she would have probably been fired.

AFA concluded that the "message from ABC is that bashing Christians is acceptable, even comparing them with murderers who kill in the name of Allah." The organization asked conservatives to e-mail "ABC asking for an apology and a reprimand."

O'Donnell, who joined "The View" this season, was discussing President Bush's address to the nation delivered on the fifth anniversary of 9/11.

"We were attacked not by a nation," she said. "And as a result of the attack and the killing of nearly 3,000 innocent people we invaded two countries and killed innocent people in their countries."

Moments later she added: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have separation of church and state. We're a democracy."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck, another co-host on the program and a Republican, responded, "We're not bombing ourselves here."

O'Donnell retorted, "But we are bombing innocent people in other countries. True or false?"

Another co-host on the program, Joy Behar, then said, "But Christians are not threatening to kill us.... There's a difference."

O'Donnell's comments sparked a strong reaction from conservatives on Internet weblogs, radio and television.

"Apparently Rosie believes that the federal government is a branch of 'radical Christianity,'" Scott Whitlock of Newsbusters.org wrote. "... as she never heard of World War II and the innocent civilians that unfortunately died in the struggle against Nazism? Was that war wrong? ...

erhaps Ms. O’Donnell is unaware of exactly where the Taliban trained and plotted."

On MSNBC's "Scarborough Country" Sept. 14, two hosts defended O'Donnell's comments by labeling abortion clinic bombers as "radical Christians." But host Joe Scarborough said the last abortion bombing was in the 1990s.

"e're talking about Rosie O'Donnell saying that Christian extremists are as much a danger as Islamic extremists, and The New York Times just reported a few months ago that Muslim radicals killed on average 110 civilians every day, on average, in Iraq," he said. "That's 110 people killed every day not by American bombs but by Muslim extremists. And if you add up all of the people that have been killed by Muslim extremists through the years ... there's no proportionality."
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[Maat]

1. Well,

I love Rosie, and emailed her a letter of support!

[LibraLiz1973]

2. I'm just stunned by some of the other attitudes

What she said took guts... what she says EVERY DAY takes guts...... and yet some here are finding something wrong with that

[zanne]

3. WE fall for right-wing propaganda, too.

If something is said often enough, we start to believe it, too. The latest propaganda we're falling for is the Republican attempt to minimize the influence the Democratic Party will have this November. If enough people say in on CNN, or write enough opinion pieces in the newspaper, we'll start repeating it here on DU.

[Maat]

5. Yes, I'm afraid this is true.

For God's sake, she called attention to the ramifications of invasion and occupation (massive civilian deaths of PEOPLE). Ameicans should care about the safety and fundamental rights of ALL PEOPLE. That used to be what we were about.

[seabeyond]

4. yes we beat up our own, for little reason, more than we do the repbl

it seems to me. and odd that is

[acmejack]

6. There are people here that find something wrong with everything.

Doesn't matter what it is. They are such good & proper folks that no one else can measure up their standards and they so enjoy letting the rest of us know about it.

[hlthe2b]

7. I've always wondered why some outspoken LIB/Progressives

are such an ultra target for anger/disdain/hatred among the RW, above all others. BUT, even more puzzling, is that these same "mega-targets" often elicit almost as much criticism or antipathy among some on the Left..

So, now, what is it, that might be the common factors? Let's compare just two-- say, for instance: Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donell:


Outspoken? Check
Direct (unafraid to call a "spade" a "spade?") Check
Extremely critical of Bush* and the RW? Check
Successful? Check
Intelligent? Check
Articulate? Check
Celebrity/"Hollywood connections?" Check
Baby Boomers? Check
Willing to put money towards political causes? Check
Speak out on multiple hot button issues? Check
Strong following of supporters? Check
At times previously critical of Clinton/Gore? Check
Advocate limits on assault weapon sales/limited gun control? Check
Advocate homosexual rights? Check

Now where are they dissimiar?

Both Gay or homosexual? NOPE
Both associated with NYC (born & raised & long residence) Nope
Both "bitchy, aggressive females?" :sarcasm: NOPE
Both have children? NOPE
Both hang out with Madonna? Nope
Both prize-winning documentarians? Nope


Hmmm..........
One more similiarity comes to mind:

Both (unapologetically) overweight/obese? Check






I wonder..... :shrug:







(forgive me for cross posting this response to the earlier and this thread... It was so buried, I doubt anyone will read it on the earlier thread and I am interested in any response)

[LibraLiz1973]

34. I really HOPE it isn't because they are overweight

because if it is.... that's Bullsh#t

[gaspee]

8. McVeigh

Was a member of "Christian Identity."

I'm kind of disappointed that woman on Scarborough's show didn't mention that.

Right-Wing fanatical Christians *are* dangerous. And there are quite a lot of them out there. Remember Atlanta?

Rosie's right but I'm sure she'll be fired or forced to apologize. Because Christians are so powerless that they're continually oppresesed. It must be us atheists opressing the 90% of Americans self-identified as Christians.

[lonestarnot]

9. Who ate Rosie?

just asking...

[datasuspect]

33. ***BURRRRP***

(smack, smack)

[lonestarnot]

10. These people are not "our own." They are part of the problem.

[hlthe2b]

12. Which people are part of the problem? Rosie?

:shrug:

I don't follow your post....

[lonestarnot]

13. Not Rosie! Someone ate her! The people at the table!

[hlthe2b]

15. Ahhhhhhhh, gotcha........LOL

[Finder]

11. I have not seen any progressives diss her...

where did you see/hear that?

[lonestarnot]

14. Thank you!

[Giant Robot]

16. I am not sure if this is what you are talking about

but I don't think just because this person supports some of the same causes I/we do, means that I must stand with them and like like them always. That lockstep mentality is not what I think a free thinking society should be about.

Personally, I do not like Rosie. I think she is unfunny, abrasive and at times detrimental to the progressive cause by *constantly* having to get in your face on everything. I agree with most her values, from what I understand, but I disagree with her methods. And I don't understand why she is popular, but that is another matter I think.

Like I said, I am not sure if that was what you are talking about. I am not sure if that means I am shooting myself in the foot but not loving Rosie, but this is what I think and feel, and I hope I made my position clear at least.

[lonestarnot]

17. Personally I don't find abrasive offensive, nor detrimental.

:rofl: Especially when directed at the Nazis

[Giant Robot]

22. But abrasive may give us a visceral thrill

and it may be fun to see Conservative jerks get a verbal lashing, but it certainly does not always get us what we want, which is real change in political power. In fact I would be willing to say that abrasive gets us what we want the least. And that is how I am looking at it.

To me, referring to the Bush administration as "nazis" certainly may have truth in it, and they both may share those same wicked tendencies, but it will not convince anyone but the usual Progressive about who to vote for. It will not further any dialog, or promote any agenda other than the Conservatives. I can already see the media leaking out how those evil Democrats are calling Bush et al nazis. That will have a good impact (sarcasm noted).

Again those are my thoughts on it. I am as wrong as the next person.

[lonestarnot]

26. Variety is the spice of life. Takes nuts, sluts, whores, and those

who administer, instigate, undersee, oversee, stand on top, sit on the bottom to promote the comeback from the bushitler agenda. I do not criticize any form of truth, no matter what it's form or delivery. Forms of communication in all shapes, sizes, meak, loud, "shrill," bass and tenor, matters not to me.

[Giant Robot]

31. Huh?

I am not criticizing her message or truth, I just believe she could get it out there in ways that are much more effective. I am not calling it good, bad or otherwise. I just do not think it is the most helpful way to get her points across. Attempts at communication are to be encouraged, but that does not mean that we can't learn what makes up effective communication and use that more. If what she is doing is driving more people away from the Democrats, than her communication SHOULD matter to you. Just having an intense drive for a new administration and hatred for the current one are not enough. We need to be smarter about how we communicate. If, like you say, you want Bush out of office, looking at ways to do that most effectively and quickly would be in your best interest.

[LibraLiz1973]

36. The thing is that thus far trying to get the message across gently

is clearly not working. Being BLUNT, FIRM and straight out might help.
Keep in mind, the Repubs attack us in a MUCH MUCH MUCH harsher way than anything Rosie has (truthfully!) said.
I dont see a problem with what she's doing- she is shining a light on ignorance

[lonestarnot]

39. You just don't get it. Everyone, anyone can put forth a message in their

own way. I prefer not to criticize the messenger for how they choose to put out the message. Now do you get it?

[LibraLiz1973]

35. To be blunt at this point we just need to be "in their faces"

Nothing else has worked yet- maybe the in your face approach will work.

[Trajan]

18. I think you are overstating the problem .....

We see this assertion constantly here ....

Let's do the math :

HOW many have 'attacked' Rosie ? ...... I counted at least > 2, possibly 3 posters ...

Now : How many posters have joined DU ? ..... I show 94,811 have joined .....

(3/94811)*100 = 0.0031641898091993545052789233316809 %

IF 30 posters did so, it would be 0.031641898091993545052789233316809 %

IF 300 posters did so, it would be 0.31641898091993545052789233316809 %

------

I counted 3 .......

What is the problem ? .....

DU, Democrats, Liberals or Progressives dont have problems with Rosie ..... a 'few people' do .....

[Smarmie Doofus]

19. She's on the money but won't last long on ABC.....

>>>Hasselbeck: We are not bombing ourselves here in the country.

O‘DONNELL: But they are bombing innocent people and other countries, true or false.>>>>

... I'm afraid. The network of "The Path to 9-11" and other 'reality shows' doesn't want exchanges like this aired.

*Actual* reality confuses folks.

[DeBunk]

20. She has a didactic tone. No one likes to be lectured.

She doesn't help, she's not entertaining, she isn't convincing.

I defend her constantly at work because there are a couple ladies who tevo the view. These ladies aren't right wingers.

I'm getting tired of it.

[qanda]

21. Exactly right

There's a way to say things where people will respect your opinion and even they don't agree, they will give you the benefit of the doubt for being reasonable.

[bigbrother05]

23. It is just a distraction

get people talking about it, and they forget the main issues.
If Rosie is all they got it's pretty weak.

[sandnsea]

24. I heard her say that

I never watch The View but I had it on the morning she said that. I cringed, I knew it was going to be trouble. I understand her point, but wonder why she doesn't understand that you lose more people than you gain when you make statements like this. It's as offensive as equating gay marriage to marrying animals. But I like her and I hope she figures out how to speak politically to the mainstream, that would be worth more than scoring random political points anyway.

[earth mom]

25. How are we eating our own? 'Cause I see a bunch of freepers

attacking Rosie. It's TOTALLY obvious. :grr:

[lonestarnot]

29. That would be what I see also.

:grr:

[LibraLiz1973]

37. Your right... I am also sensing freepers

[RandiRhodesArchives]

27. vive rosie!

:kick:

[bobbolink]

28. Culturally, we love divisiveness, more and more. We are part of this

culture.

If we DON'T look inside of us, and recognize how much we eat up what the culture feeds us, we're doomed to keep repeating it.

One quick glance at DU shows the violence we all harbor.

We can chose to go a different path, or we can chose to keep repeating it, and blame it on the RW.

Our choice.

Rosie is only the latest example of our choice.

[creeksneakers2]

30. I don't like wingers saying Rosie speaks for all of us

Rosie makes some great points but the day I watched her she also made some wild throws. The View has a right wing lady on who makes some incredibly stupid comments too. The righty lady is rude.

Rosie was even ruder than the right wing lady because she hogged the show, which is bad because the show is supposed to be four women having a conversation, not one woman making a speech. The View is not a shout show like Hardball. Its not even all about politics. Rosie must have turned off many of the viewers of The View.

I think Rosie would improve if she'd be more respectful of other opinions and stopped trying to add shock value to her statements. Unfortunately, many women watching will associate Rosie's conduct with the left in general and she could end up hurting the left.

[tlsmith1963]

32. She Only Said "Radical Christianity"

She wasn't attacking *all* Christians. I don't know what people are so upset about. I agree with what she said. If she had said all Christians, I might have felt differently.

Tammy

[LibraLiz1973]

38. I agree. It's like no one understood what she said

The next thing you knew it had turned into "Rosie said ALL Christians are bad killers!!"

[David Zephyr]

40. Rosie has more courage than most Democrats in office.

Thank you for your post. I also get pissed at the cheap shots here from those who are not worthy to tie her shoes.

[Montauk6]

41. This COULD be a key to why some O'Donnell is loathed by her own

This is from a past Bartcop commentary (date unknown but probably sometime in '02); granted, this could be the opinion of just one person or several or many.

You be the judge...

"(Clinton) disgusts me, and I know I'm not supposed to say this because I'm a good Democrat, but he lied to me when he said, 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman,' and then put the scarlet-letter blow job on her for the rest of her life... I hate you."
--Rosie O'Donnell, attacking Clinton to get publicity for her stand-up career


Rosie, you ignorant slut, allow me to set you straight.

First, you're a "good Democrat" the same way that James Woods, Judas Maximus, Pat Caddell, Chris the Screamer and Ralph Nader are "good Democrats."

Second, he told the truth when he said he'd haver had sexual relations with Monica. That's why she called him "a big creep," remember? Do you ever think before opening your slut mouth?

Third, he didn't put shit on Monica's forehead - Monica went yapping to everyone she ever met that she was blowing the president. Clinton tried to keep it quiet, remember?

http://www.bartcop.com/rosie-the-slut.htm

[LibraLiz1973]

42. True, many people do hate him for that

I don't- but, I was VERY angry at the time.


I understand why he didn't want to fess up because frankly it was none of anyones business but his and Hillary's.

But he really needed not to come out and say emphatically that he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Sexual relations isn't just actual sex- he ejaculated in her mouth and banged her with a cigar... They had
sexual relations. He shouldn't have gone on National TV and said anything. And if he decided he had to say something he should either have said none of your business or yeah, I did dally with her but we did not have sex and thats that. What happens now is between me and my wife.


I know alot of women were let down by the way he handled things. I was also dissapointed. He's a good man who did something ridiculously dumb.

[Montauk6]

43. Normally, coming clean (no pun please) would've been the right thing

However, without excusing his idiocy, he was under the gun of a well-run, fine-tuned, high-buck campaign to DESTROY him (which I don't think has subsided fully to this day) by a right-wing cabal. Perhaps the man just cracked under pressure. I definitely sport a tinfoil helmet on this but I still think Miss Thang was a setup that he fell for. Yes, it was an embarrassment (the kind of which most of his accusers and condemners were equally guilty, btw); but my guess is he decided that he couldn't give the Starr Chamber one iota.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. Isn't she on ABC? Would be pretty ironic if the freeps decide to boycott..

I don't know what I'd do then. I'd say ABC has been much worse to the left than to the right in last few years. They have one ouspoken liberal who is balanced by that wing-nut survivor woman.