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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:12 PM
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Digging More Holes In Iraq
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 03:46 PM by bigtree
September 15, 2006


The occupation of Iraq has taken a back seat to the Bush administration's 'Battle of Baghdad'. Defending the decision to pull troops out of the volatile al-Anbar province, which is in a state of anarchy, Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli told AP reporters that "The main effort is Baghdad, and we must ensure that we weight the main effort."

Bush, in a Rose Garden news conference Friday, declined to set a threshold for determining the state of the Iraqi violence, deferring instead to the 'people on the ground' who he said, 'do not believe' that Iraq is in a civil war. "They believe the Baghdad security plan is making progress." he said. "I measure progress against the resilience of the Iraqi people . . . is the government intact . . . are they dividing?"

"I can only tell you that I will make decisions on force levels based upon what the commanders on the ground say," Bush said. "In other words, if you say, I'm going to rely upon their judgment, the next question is, how good is their judgment; or is my judgment good enough to figure out whether or not they know what they're doing? . . . And this is not a science, but an art form in a way."

Bush would have been well served by listening to Col. Pete Devlin, who was cited in a WaPost report this week, describing the western Anbar province of Iraq as beyond the control of the U.S or Iraqi military; the vacuum quickly becoming filled by resistance elements who align themselves with al-Qaeda.

He should take heed of the Pentagon's Sept. 1 quarterly report to Congress on the situation on the ground in Iraq. “Death squads and terrorists are locked in mutually reinforcing cycles of sectarian strife,” the report reads. Even as the sectarian violence overshadows it in importance, however, the Sunni-led insurgency, mainly against U.S. forces and the sitting Iraqi government, “remains potent and viable.”

Nonetheless, Bush told reporters that his main priority is to, "Make sure unity government is able to defend itself . . . make certain that the Iraqi government is sustaining itself . . . that government take root to the extent that it can't be overturned by those who want to stop democracy from taking hold in Iraq . . . Stand up, stand down still holds."

"There was a violence spike in Baghdad in June," Bush explained.

Seven to eight thousand U.S. soldiers have been diverted to Baghdad since Bush's last visit to the Green Zone. Bush and his general's strategy now reportedly includes a plan to build a "berm" around Baghdad; a trench that would surround the entire 50mil circumference of the Iraqi capital, where the new government's home sits precariously at the center of the U.S. 'green zone' of defense. "A berm around the city to make it harder to bring explosive devices in," Bush told reporters.

They can fill the trenches with alligators and screaming eels . . . build a fort with towers to pour boiling oil down on the insurgents . . . build a fence around the city, make Baghdad a gated community, complete with the new palace they're building there for our ambassador . . . yet, the same officials 'on the ground' report that insurgents and explosives are already in abundance inside of Baghdad.

The tighter occupation of the city has not produced the reduction in violence that the increase of troops intended. In the past two days over hundreds of bodies of executed Iraqis have been found dumped on the streets of Baghdad. Over 20 of our own troops have been killed in the last couple of days as the violence continues to escalate. Bush's increased occupation of the city is clearly not working.

In a congressional hearing Wednesday, State Dept. witness David Satterfield warned about the increasing sectarian violence, describing a state of war among factions in Iraq; a civil war in all but name. "If sectarian violence cannot be demonstrably, tangibly reduced," he said, "and that reduction sustained over the next several months -- an Iraq that represents all of its people, is a partner against terror and is at peace both at home and with its neighbors, will be difficult if not impossible to achieve."

"Killing is taking place at the hands of insurgents, he continued. "Killing is taking place at the hands of al-Qaida terrorists. Killing is taking place at the hands of extra governmental armed groups that have a sectarian color to them and a criminal color to them."

Killing is taking place everywhere in Iraq; most prominently in the one area that Bush and his generals have chosen to mass our troops and resources. 'Bring them on' remains Bush's mantra as he persists in using our troops as a terror magnet under the pretext and justification that they're defending democracy by defending the Maliki regime . . . even as significant elements of the new government are rejecting that assistance and asking our forces to leave.

"You measure progress based upon the resilience of the Iraqi people;" Bush said, "do they want there to be a unity government, or are they splitting up into factions of people warring with the head leaders, with different alternatives of governing styles and different philosophies.

It was reported today that more than 100 Iraqi MPs signed a resolution which set a timetable for the withdrawal of the coalition troops. The resolution received the backing of 104 of the 275 MPs. "We do not want another kitchen in which decisions are cooked away from the representatives of the people, and away from the hearing of the Iraqi people," resolution sponsor Falas al-Mishaal told reporters.

Bush, though, intends to make his determination of Iraq's security needs by "listening to the words" of the terrorists. "The enemy has said that it's just a matter of time before the United States loses its nerve and withdraws from Iraq. That's what they have said," Bush warned reporters. "I take them really seriously. And I think everybody in government should take them seriously and respond accordingly."

Respond to the terrorist's words? What sort of nonsense is Bush selling which would have us strike out with the same reckless abandon he's demonstrated in Iraq every time some thug threatens us? Why should anyone care at all about the voice behind these terrorists' violence?

"They've declared Iraq to be the central front," Bush exclaimed. "Therefore, we've got to make sure we win that. So, on the word of the fugitives who've been on the run for five years, since the 9-11 attacks, Bush will commit the bulk of our nation's resources that are intended for our defense, and the main pride of our nation's military, and pour these into Baghdad; pour them into the trenches they're digging around the Iraqi capital.

"The unseen trenches where the foes lay cooped
Through that unending battle of unseen,
Dead-locked, league-stretching armies."


Iraqis are ahead of us in digging trenches. Most of the Iraqi's trenches, however, serve as mass graves for the hundreds of thousands of their friends, neighbors, and family members who have been killed throughout the three years of Bush's occupation. Iraqis, government loyalists and insurgents alike, will not be surprised to see Americans digging more holes for themselves.

This is what losing looks like right before total collapse.


-Ron Fullwood
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:16 PM
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1. "Is the Iraqis dividing?"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:00 PM
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2. he'll wait till the generals tell him
they're waiting for him to decide
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 05:21 PM
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3. aww
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:02 PM
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4. drunk
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:50 PM
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5. Nice.
He is not listening to his generals - he is telling them what to say.

Joe
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:37 PM
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6. kick
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:43 PM
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7. Who is going to guard all these miles of trenches.
:kick:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:16 PM
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8. Soldiers
SOLDIERS are citizens of death's gray land,
Drawing no dividend from time's to-morrows.
In the great hour of destiny they stand,
Each with his feuds, and jealousies, and sorrows.
Soldiers are sworn to action; they must win
Some flaming, fatal climax with their lives.
Soldiers are dreamers; when the guns begin
They think of firelit homes, clean beds, and wives.

I see them in foul dug-outs, gnawed by rats,
And in the ruined trenches, lashed with rain,
Dreaming of things they did with balls and bats,
And mocked by hopeless longing to regain
Bank-holidays, and picture shows, and spats,
And going to the office in the train.

-Sassoon
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 03:08 AM
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9. My Grandfather was in combat in WWI, he talked about being in the
trenches.

Rats were a major problem.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 09:38 AM
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10. mine too.
wet feet was his gripe
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:35 PM
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11. final and link
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:54 PM
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12. $1 trillion in war costs and they are down to digging ditches? nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 05:39 AM
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13. under seige
apparently expects to be for the forseeable future . . .



Trenches? Berms? It's all dirt moving anyway...

The Iraqi's are saying that the new defenses around Baghdad will be trenches. Bush claims they will be berms. Evidently they can't figure out what page they're on, but that's par for the Administration of Incompetents.

I'm just wondering why they didn't talk about boiling oil and catapults with cows, or maybe a trojan rabbit, as long as they were talking about medieval defensive measures.

http://allspinzone.com/blog/index.php?itemid=3366
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:01 AM
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14. Kick (n/t)
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:11 AM
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15. so now we're going to be BERMing Baghdad?
road signs next?

here's a little ditty
'bout a wall around a city
to keep terrorists out
is what's it's all about
BERMA-shave...


meanwhile - if we're making all this progress - why are we building berms?
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:31 AM
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16. I can't imagine what the decider is up to?
Moats and palaces make him happy as long as the peasants continue to die.
The war is Iraq is a complete loss and someone should have the heart to pull out of there.
:argh:
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