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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:56 PM
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Is Bush's lobbying for torture staged?
I watched Junior's press conference today, and I'm finding it hard
to believe that a pResident work so hard for torture--against his
own party with mid-term elections drawing near.

Why would the pResident lobby for such an outrageous, unpopular,
radical idea--that makes him look like a perverse freak?

Is it possible that this is all a set up to help Republican Congressional
members win look more moderate going into the 06 elections?

Is this staged to bolster Republican chances in 60--by visibly
demonstrating that Congressional Republicans are not a rubber
stamp for this pResident?

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:58 PM
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1. No, because only four Republicans voted for the measure...
that is far from the entire party. If anything it suggests how extreme their party is on this issue, that only four of them would vote to uphold the Geneva Conventions.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:12 PM
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8. Naw, if they'd needed five votes in Congress, they would
have gotten five. If they needed six, they would have gotten six.

They gamed it so there would be 'just enough.' It's a common practice.

You figure out who can stand the heat, and they vote the way that is needed to produce the desired result.

The weaker people who need the RNC cash and fundraising for present or future campaigns go with the herd (and don't piss off the Monkey) so long as their vote doesn't make a difference.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:59 PM
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2. That is a little convoluted.
Occam's Razor suggests that he is just nuts.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:08 PM
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6. Yeah, it is a bit "convoluted"...
...I guess I'm hoping that he isn't totally loopy beyond repair.

I just watched more of the press conference and it's as if he's
coming unglued.

Possibly---Junior isn't staging this. Maybe McCain and his people
are. Maybe McCain decided he wouldn't be Bush's doormat any more
and he's putting his foot down.

That's probably what has agitated Junior so much. No one questions
the dictator.

Geez. If this is how the little fleeb acts--when someone dares to
express an opinion that contradicts his own---you have to imagine
that these lawmakers are under extreme pressure to capitulate.

BushCo governs like a pack of behavior-disordered, school-yard bullies.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:59 PM
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3. Everything they do is "Staged"...
Therefore, the answer is yes, though the reasons are often far from obvious. Thanks to old Karl, there are circles within circles within circles. Your suggested reasoning may be one of or their whole reasoning.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:04 PM
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4. He is running out of time to get some desperate radical measures passed
He knows that if it does not happen in the next two weeks his agenda is screwed and he is desperately trying to scare the nation into push congress to pass his dangerous legislation.

This is total desperation on his part, if it does not work, expect attacks.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:06 PM
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5. Could it be that he wants a RETROACTIVE law?
Maybe he's feeling a bit vulnerable to criminal proceedings in future?


Could it be that Karl's research has shown that people actually kinda like a "strong, Dirty Harry" guy who isn't afraid to pull out a few fingernails and dunk someone's head down the toilet?


Could it be that he's giving his GOP goons in Congress room to stand off to the side, pointing at the Monkey with one hand, and twirling a finger by their foreheads with the other?

Could it be that all these reasons are NOT mutually exclusive?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:39 PM
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9. No retroaction needed...however
if the key parts of the 1996 War Crimes Act are decriminalized, he can't be charged. You can't be charged with something that's not a crime, even if it was when you committed the act.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:10 PM
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7. He knows most Americans just listen to sound bites
He is probably doing himself some good by keeping his psycho base happy with his insane comments. His kind of crap goes over great in a "bar" conversation with a bunch of drunken mental midgets. They can talk about how great it is we torture those evil doers.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:08 PM
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10. The questions by the press certainly appeared to be
pre-planned..Just like some of these planted stories on the MSM..I just watched a grieving Mother that had lost a son and it certainly appeared that the Rove staff perhaps help get her story heard..
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