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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:53 PM
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Rosie O'Donnell's Remarks on 'Radical Christianity' Draw Fire

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060914/24518.htm

Rosie O'Donnell's Remarks on 'Radical Christianity' Draw Fire


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During a discussion on the 9/11 anniversary on Tuesday, O'Donnell expressed her clear opposition to the war in Iraq but also made parallels between "radical Christianity" and "radical Islam."

"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have a separation of church and state. We're a democracy here," she said on the show.

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The Rev. Rob Schenck, founder of Faith and Action, a Christian ministry on Capitol Hill, responded in a statement, "Miss O'Donnell's comment was recklessly irresponsible and even dangerous. To equate 'radical Christianity' to mass murder is outrageous. A 'radical Christian' is one who takes his or her faith seriously - a faith that has as one of its primary tenets, 'Blessed are the peacemakers.'"

Similarly, Michele Combs, director of communications for the Christian Coalition of America, said, "This is America, and everyone can have their own opinion, however, we do disagree with her opinion. Christianity is all about faith. Christianity is all about humanity and equality. That was the core of the life of Jesus Christ"

After O'Donnell's surprising comments, Hasselbeck said, "We are not bombing ourselves here in the country. We are being attacked."

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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:54 PM
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1. Not bombing ourselves? What about the abortion clinic bombings?
give me a break.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:56 PM
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4. Yeah, they always forget about this
And the danger of a Christofacist state is not lost on many of us.

GO ROSIE!
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:12 PM
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19. Psycho christian shooting the MD in Buffalo a few years ago.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 03:13 PM by bluerum
Psycho killing in abortion clinic in Boston a few year ago.

It is funny how they forget about these tragedies.
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:13 PM
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21. Good one didn't some crazy whack a doctor too?
I mean shit they threaten the doctors kids isn't that terrorism goddamn 101.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:55 PM
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2. NO ONE EXPECTS THE INQUISITION!! (radical Xtanity kills millions)
and they didn't stop there--More recently the genocide of native Americans was justified by Christianity.

Go Rosie!
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:24 PM
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43. You got it!
Amazing how these fundies 'conveniently' forget that.
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crankybubba Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:56 PM
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3. interesting article.
we need to look at radical christianity like the type that brought us the crusades, and the inqusition,and many other atrocities on people in the name of god. they seem to ignore thier past.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:18 PM
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23. If you had a past like theirs wouldn't you try to ignore it?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:56 PM
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5. Peacemakers?
Like Eric Rudolph? And Tim McVeigh? Those peacemakers?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:00 PM
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10. And the guy who rammed his car into a clinic the other day
He thought it was an abortion center when he rammed it.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:00 PM
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11. Don't forget the big peacemaker: George W. Bush!
Thousands of innocent lives have been lost (including the lives of small children) in the name of peace and freedom and Christianity.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:59 PM
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6. Oh, yeah, those poor radical right wing Christians are so persecuted
Boo hoo hoo, poor babies. Excuse me while I :puke:

Christians in China are persecuted. Christians in Darfur are persecuted. I would strongly suggest any Christian who whines about being persecuted in the US check other places around the world out and find out what the word means before they wrap themselves in it every time they're criticized.

Oh, and if they want to claim those words in red in their bibles for their own, how about a whole lot less sanctimonious yapping and a whole lot more action?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:59 PM
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7. ...just bombing other countries
"We are not bombing ourselves here in the country"



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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:59 PM
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8. Hate crimes against gays and lesbians
are not killing?

We are killing people in this country because of the fundamentalists (be they Christian / Hindu / Muslim....)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:00 PM
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9. radical Christians sure as shit aren't the peacemakers
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:00 PM
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12. Fred Phelps, poster child for Radical Christian
And lets not forget some charming things Pat Robertson has said and/or suggested in the last few years.

And by the way Tim McVeigh... wasn't he a Christian?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:06 PM
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17. The RW so Called Christians are lapping this up.
They just bathe in being persecuted. Rosie just gave them their fave grist for their grind.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:02 PM
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13. The best thing we can do is write the view and tell them how you
feel about what Rosie said....anyone have a e-mail address???
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:03 PM
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14. They conveniently forget Jim Jones, don't they? He's the dude
who took his Merkan flock south of the border for a mass suicide. How life-affirming.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:04 PM
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15. A radical christian is not someone who takes faith seriously
It's someone who uses religion to commit acts of violence and wants religious law.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:24 PM
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32. Actually, that's not true. A "radical", as I explained elsewhere,
honors the "roots" of the religion.

IN most cases, including Islam, that's a very good thing.

Ever since my dirtyhippiecommiepinkobum days, I've called myself a "radical". Why? Because I honor the vision of our founders, the Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights.

Wadda concept....

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:05 PM
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16. Bill O'lielly and Scarborough are upset...
and slowly building up the momentum to get her thrown off of the View.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:08 PM
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18. It always amazes me to see how they all get whipped up into a frenzy
and start making false accusations, "Miss O'Donnell's comment was recklessly irresponsible and even dangerous. To equate 'radical Christianity' to mass murder is outrageous.".

Who the hell equated Christianity to murder? She said radical christians can be dangerous. I agree wholeheartedly. Radicalism is generally a bad thing. Radical christians would have us living like the taliban had the Afghanis living.

"A 'radical Christian' is one who takes his or her faith seriously ..."

No a radical Christian is one who forgets the actual tenets of their faith and preaches a scorched earth kind of religion. A radical christian would pretend to be Godly while preaching death and hatred to their masses.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:12 PM
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20. Money Quote from our brethern at (not so)Free Republic
To: MikeA
When and if Islamofascism triumphs over the West, she and her ilk will be the very first to be publicly hanged by them, for--as viewed by the Islamofascists--in her and their disloyalty to the the jihadists' previous enemies, they will have proven their inability to be trusted in the future, too. It is always the same when tyrants take over; those who appeased them, the Rosie O'Donnell types, are dealt with the most severely.

26 posted on 09/13/2006 5:22:42 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.) :silly:
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:18 PM
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22. Rosie speaks the truth and
they can't handle it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:22 PM
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24. 'nuff said. n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:24 PM
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25. don't tell warrior jesus about that blessed are the peace makers thingy.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:35 PM
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26. Tell it to roberts and fartwell - both have called for the death of people
who are not as nuts as they are...

The shoe fits, definitely, and my how they squeal like stuck pigs!
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:11 PM
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27. She spoke the truth so fuck him if he
didn't like hearing it!
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:18 PM
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28. Rosie is on the money!
I don't see Rosie staying on The View for long. She pisses off WaWa every day. She told Joy this week that she used to have control of her own show and didn't have to consult others (as on The View.) Wham Bam!
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:19 PM
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30. Right, Rosie is too foot loose for WA-WA
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:19 PM
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29. Guess he missed "Oklahoma" -- what religion did McVeigh follow? nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:21 PM
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31. This is the problem with the misuse of words. "RADICAL" means
"root". To be a radical Christian, then, would mean to return to the roots of Christianity, which, considering it's about love, peace, and honoring poor folk, would be a damned good thing!!

"Christians" (and I use the term loosely) who bomb abortion clinics, churches with little black girls, and kill doctors, etc., aren't radical anything -- they are common criminals.

I know it won't happen, but if we could just use the words in the correct way, it would be much clearer.

sigh...
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:28 PM
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33. Looks like the right wing fundamentalists have forgotten
about Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh and that other murderer who went around killing doctors. As usual, they have a selective memory and tunnel vision.
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Brian Stevens Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:32 PM
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34. Knowing how ABC is working now a days....
I don't think Rosie will last 2 months.
:grr:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:38 PM
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35. she's right, though
She was speaking as a lesbian, and in this country the radical extremist Christians pose a far greater threat to her than the booga-booga "Islamo-fascist" Bush loves to scare us with.

The Christian right wants to deny her the right to marry, to adopt children, wants to make it legal to discriminate in employment and housing, whips up intense frenzied hatred that links to hate crimes and yes, even murder.

Her comments need to be put in context and she was absolutely right. They pose a far greater threat to her security and liberty than any other group on the planet.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:40 PM
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36. Oh where to begin
First of all, shall we ask Michael Schiavo about the "good" Christians who threatened to kill his girlfriend and children?
Shall we ask people who work in family planning centers if they fear for their lives from the "good" Christians?
What about people who lose family members to "good" Christian cults?
What about the "good" Christians who molest little children then fall on their faith to save them?
What about the "good" Christian men who troll the internet downloading kiddie porn?
Nobody ever said ALL Christians--however, the radical ones? They are in a class by themselves. She completely differentiated between the two by the label radical.
If the Bible fits...
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:43 PM
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37. He's the one that's equating it to mass murder!
Look at what O'Donnell said - she equated radical Christianity to radical Islam. Schenck is the one saying that radical Islam is the same thing as mass murder. He's the bigot.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:46 PM
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38. the way she worded it, she is right
she says it's just as THREATENING and she is right. however, had she said they caused as much damage as radical Islam, I would have to disagree with her. not these days, anyway. O'Leilly and the others are twisting her words to make it seem like she said that.

boy, that dim-witted hasselback chick is finally going to be challenged...i love it.


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"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have a separation of church and state. We're a democracy here," she said on the show.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:48 PM
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39. So I take it the Crusades never happened?
More fiction by the evil Left, eh? :rofl:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:51 PM
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40. Bombing clinics, initimidating health care providers and patients--how
blessed
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:53 PM
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41. Hitler's interpretation conflicts with Rev. Schenck's version.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 04:53 PM by Hatalles
... today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. -- (Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Ch. 2)

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. -- (Munich Speech, April 12, 1922)

There's a ton of quotes like that in his speeches and writings. It's funny how Hitler's religion is almost always ignored. "Oh, he's not a real Christian." Then, who's to say Osama Bin Laden is a real Muslim? Dangerous fanatics exist everywhere.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:55 PM
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42. NO REPUBLICAN A CHRISTIAN
I do not consider any Republican a Christian. Not when they use the excuse that jesus never meant for government to help the poor and the less fortunate. When they say that, they excommuincate themself in my view.

I consider these ministers followers of Tomas de Torquemada and Ayn Rand.



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