"Dr"Laura - nudie,homewrecker,mother-estranged - decries today's females

[UTUSN]

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http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/pagesix_u.htm

DR. LAURA'S ANTI-FEMALE RANT

September 14, 2006 -- THE hypocrisy of Dr. Laura Schlessinger knows no bounds. Despite the skeletons rattling in her own closet, the acerbic radio gabber slams today's women in a new book, claiming the typical American female is a slut. "Men see women as sex objects when women act like unpaid whores . . ."

Schlessinger writes in "The Proper Care and Feeding of Marriage," due from HarperCollins in January: "Now it is difficult to find the male who values virginity, purity and innocence when females dress like babes and perform oral sex and intercourse without even having to be fed dinner . . . Who cares about vows - after all, why buy the cow when the milk is free."

Schlessinger's tirade may seem contradictory to some considering her own past behavior. In the mid 1970s, when she was in her early 20s, Schlessinger posed nude for a boyfriend, the late radio talk-show host Bill Ballance, who years later posted the full-frontal shots on the Internet. And soon after, she started seeing a married California doctor with three kids who subsequently left his wife for the homewrecker. ....

She adds that one key to a good marriage is for couples to be kind to their own families. "It is amazing to me how many people treat absolute strangers with more courtesy, kindness and sensitivity than their own spouses and families," she complains. Yet for years, Schlessinger was estranged from her now-deceased mom and she remains estranged from her sister. ....

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[Bunny]

1. She's a self-loathing female who hates, absolutely hates, women.

[Warpy]

2. That's one of the clearest cases of projection I've ever seen

She can't stand to confront the mess she's made of her own life, so she assumes that life belongs to the rest of us, not her.

She needs some serious help. She's far too arrogant to accept it, though.

[Triana]

231. I agree. This woman is messed up! (n/t)

[fasttense]

3. I can't believe this loser is giving people advice on relationships.

Don't do what I do but do what I say again. The mantra of the right wing. I can have sex with married men and pose nude but you should be chaste and virginal. She can't get along with her own family but lectures people on how to have relationships. It is like Rush Limpball telling people not to do drugs.

[Emit]

60. And I can't believe anyone would take her advice!

Who buys this crap?

[fudge stripe cookays]

150. My mother, who tried to give me a copy of her book years ago.

I told her there was no way I was taking advice from that scum-sucking hypocrite.

[Justyce]

4. She's still on the radio? I thought

she got canceled years ago! I listened to her a couple of times when she first got popular & decided pretty fast that she needed severe psychiatric help.... not to mention too obnoxious to listen to anyway!

[wellst0nev0ter]

177. No, Unfortunately It Was Just Her TeeVee Show

that premiered a few years back that was thankfully shut down by a boycott by homosexuals. But, no, it seems as if everybody but Mike Malloy can still cling to a radio program.

[movie_girl99]

5. she makes me nauseous

my ex RW husband used bring her books home and try to get me to read them as if there was something in me that needed to be fixed. He is now twice divorced. No self respecting woman should read anything that hag writes.

[madrchsod]

6. laura the unloved

who reads the shit she writes?

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[wtmusic]

10. Men give it up way too easy, too

Both sexes should be "holding out" more

[Clark2008]

17. Excellent point

BINGO.

[Sparkly]

19. I think people judge other people's sex lives way too easily.... nt

[wtmusic]

24. Aww Sparkly, now come on

nothing wrong with fetching top dollar for the merchandise, if you know what I mean

[Sparkly]

25. Am I still on DU?

:crazy:

[wtmusic]

29. Where else can you get smartass sarcasm like this?

;-)

[okieinpain]

75. not really, I don't care about your sex life except when you can't

take care or raise your children properly. but other then that folks can screw all they want. but the truth of the matter is young females today are too free with sex. hell I'm a male and would love too have all the free sex I can get my hands on, but I just couldn't live with myself doing that.

[Sparkly]

89. "too free with sex"

If you don't care, why make a judgment like that?

[Bake]

56. Men "give it up way too easy?"

That's right; there are SOOOOOOO many women out there every day just begging us loose men to slip 'em the ol' salami! LOL!!!!

Bake

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[LostinVA]

108. Oh boy

[Mandate My Ass]

124. racist and sexist

lovely :eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

127. Maybe we'll hit the trifecta...

and he'll say something homophobic, but not "offensive" just the "truth."

[Mandate My Ass]

130. no doubt

He's positively gloating about his 20-yr-old son's sexual exploits, but then again, he's the only one remotely interested.:boring:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

132. Somehow I doubt he'd be acting the same if...

his son was with a 30 year old man, who was perhaps even not white.

*gasp*

"Get me my smelling salts!"

*thud*

[Mandate My Ass]

136. *snort*

you so bad...:evilgrin:

[Der Blaue Engel]

131. What do we win if we get three across, down, and diagonal?

:evilgrin:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

135. A new rabbit. nt

[Der Blaue Engel]

129. Oh, dear god

Not just them colored folk but people older than him as well??? Next you'll be telling us he's had sex with *gasp* men!!!!

:eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Who the hell are you to make that call?

Why is what other consenting adults do even remotely your business?

[wtmusic]

81. I'm the Grand Arbiter of All Relationships

and who the hell are you to challenge me?

[Warren DeMontague]

181. Oh, I didn't know. Whoops!

Sorry. Carry on.

Sayy... Does that job come with a special hat?

[okieinpain]

76. that's true, in my opinion I believe that a male should have to give

up 50% of his income if he gets a female pregnant, but oh well that will never happen.

[Deja Q]

207. Both sexes need to value relationships - that starts by

being honest upfront.

No coyness. No games. No lies.

No flirting unless it's serious. Trust.

I'll do my part as of this moment and cut out my puerile flirty humor too. Betcha the world won't stop doing the same...

[Mandate My Ass]

11. WTF?

Women's bodies are bargaining chips to be given to the highest bidder or withheld for a rock?

Jeebus, what a twisted view of sexuality and what an assholish thing to say.

[Clark2008]

20. Sadly, though, that's what it is.

Men, whether by nature or because of society, like women who are "hard to get." Not all men, of course, but the vast majority.

I'm not condoning this in any way - I'm just pointing out that it's a fact that men would rather marry a woman who didn't sleep with them on the first date. They consider her a whore if she does.

Even enlightened men feel that way. My own very liberal, very pro-woman husband told me, flat out, that he found me MORE attractive because I made him wait for it until we were more serious.

[Mandate My Ass]

26. Quite frankly

who gives a damn what men "like" or what anybody else feels is an acceptable amount of time to hold out? It's a private matter and nobody should be judging someone else's decisions as to when a sexual encounter is acceptable.

Sex and relationships based on this kind of gamesmanship are thoroughly nauseating, IMHO.

[redqueen]

52. Gamesmanship... well put.

Makes me thoroughly sick to see this kind of shit applauded here.

[Der Blaue Engel]

55. "Holding out"

implies doing something you don't want to do, or giving up something. It's really disheartening to see that this kind of thinking still exists. I guess we haven't come such a long way, baby.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. That's ridiculous IMHO. Maybe it's a generational thing.

Generally, back when I dated, it was pretty common to have sex on date #1-#3, assuming there was a high level of mutual attraction. If there was interest in a long-term relationship, if anything it was enhanced by knowing the sex was good right out of the gate. In my mind, I'd be an idiot to write someone off because she slept with me immediately- it honestly never would have occurred to me. My wife and I sure didn't wait long.

Of course, I've never thought sex was "nasty", "wrong", or "bad", in any way shape or form, either. Go figure.

[okieinpain]

78. that is very true, my daughter brought up this very subject. she

was very nice to a certain young man and he did not respect her. a year later she meets a guy and makes him wait and he's tells her she's stuck up. damned if you do, damned if you don't. I feel sorry for young kids today, they are pushed really hard to have sex, and that's for females, and males.

[treestar]

158. Why is it always framed about what men like or don't like

what women like or don't like is never brought into the picture.

I'm not condoning this in any way, but women would rather marry a man with a high paying job. They consider him lazy if he doesn't have one.

Not to mention that you're always damned if you do and damned if you don't. Be encouraging to a man and you're chasing him and too needy and he doesn't like that. Be aloof and hard to get and he is afraid you'll reject him and he can't risk that. Bringing it down to, every man is different, so it interests me that Drs. Laura, Phil and their followers are always trying to make it that all of each sex are exactly the same.

[Supersedeas]

57. logic is not her strong suit

[Sparkly]

12. "give it up?!"

How about in matters of private sex lives, attire, and anything else, we respect women's ownership of their bodies and their right to make their own decisions, and stop criticizing from within glass houses?

[Skittles]

28. aw, don't you know, Sparkly?

we gals are not allowed to have sex drives of our own - they take and we give. :o

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

34. Oh no! Now I don't know what to do...

I'm a lesbian, so does this mean I need to figure out, if I'm a butch or a femme and act appropriately?

I don't want to break any unwritten sex rules and "give it up (or take it) too soon" or anything.

[Sparkly]

36. You and your lover both have to "hold out" -- don't "give it up!"

Meanwhile, you should each pressure the other to "put out" or "give it up," while feeling gratified that the other is respectably hard-to-get.

You may never end up having sex, but you'll respect yourselves in the morning.

(I'd love to hear "Dr. Laura" answer your question!)

[okieinpain]

84. I'm sorry but would you folks prefer a more adult term. is sexual

intercourse better, because I know you can't be saying that everybody running around having un responsible sex is ok. I know you folks aren't saying that it's ok for your kids to just hop in bed with anybody they like because it's nobodies business. I guess it's ok for you to advise a friend to just have sex with anybody they find attractive, or whatever it is a person is into.

me personally I don't think it's good for males or females to approach sex with that type of attitude it is not a healthy thing to do, physically, or mentally.

[Nikki Stone 1]

99. I think there are two issues here: moderation and control

Anything in excess is not good. Sex, chocolate, whisky, hard work--all can hurt you in excess. What we should be teaching our kids is that the "all sex all the time" TV they watch is unrealistic.

The second issue is control. Women should control their own bodies and no one should be making sexual decisions for them. No one should be saying "No sex before marriage" or "Sex is required for everyone without or before marriage". That is up to the individual woman.

The biggest issue I see with teenaged girls is that they hear the former statement from their parents and churches and the latter statement from their friends and peers (and males with an agenda). They get caught in the crossfire.

Good sex education teaches girls and boys that their bodies are their own and no one has claim to them. A girl can say "no" without being "frigid" or "a lesbian" (as some guys like to claim) and a girl can say "yes" without being a "slut" or a "whore". A boy can refrain from sex without being less macho and can have sex without being "predatory". And of course, protection must always be used. (And yes, if you are gay, you don't have to say "yes" or "no" either. It's your body, and you get to make the decisions about it.)

The problem is that as adults we still have issues with sexuality and television doesn't help. Sex is used to sell beer, automobiles and toothpaste. Sitcoms rarely give realistic depictions of sexuality.

BTW, have to give kudos to General Hospital (soap opera) this week. Lulu's teen pregnancy and abortion is being covered realistically with a major character, not one who is going to be trucked off to some other locale. Very interesting story line.

[treestar]

157. We're boycotting ABC ;-)

[Der Blaue Engel]

The problem with the term "give it up"

is that it implies there is something to give up, as if the woman has something that she will lose, or that it is some kind of contest or struggle in which one can be conquered. This is certainly the sexist frame in which sex has been viewed historically, but it is nonsense.

As long as people are having safe and consensual sex, I can't see why or how it is anybody's business. (And I don't believe anyone was talking about kids here, unless you're simply referring to one's children in general as opposed to minors.)

"I guess it's ok for you to advise a friend to just have sex with anybody they find attractive, or whatever it is a person is into."

Absolutely. Here's a condom. Make sure you know the person(s) and everything is consensual with everyone involved. Have at it.

[Nikki Stone 1]

153. Good explanation.

I'm sick and tired of the term "give it up" myself

[Skittles]

37. LOL

I had never thought about your dilemma!!! It is a quandary!!! :o

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. It's like the conversation I once had with a straight friend.

Me: So, do you think I should ask her out?
Liz: I don't know. I think the guy should ask the girl out. I'm a traditionalist, in that way.
Me: Um...you do remember who you're talking to right?
Liz: Crap. I'm an idiot. Yeah, you should totally ask her out.

[Skittles]

187. HA HA HA

Poor Liz! You must hear my story about my coworker Carla - actually I was her boss at the time - she mentioned she was glad she had Friday night off because she'd be dancing the night away at the lesbian bar across the street - well, come Friday night, two people called in sick so I marched over there and told her to get her ass to work - she moaned she was probably the only lesbian who had ever had her straight boss drag her out of a lesbian bar (her friends just DIED laughing). I told her, WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TOLD ME WHERE YOU'D BE! :D

[lumberjack_jeff]

72. So long as your partner buys you dinner, it's all good.

:sarcasm:

[Sparkly]

97. Better be some really good Chardonnay involved, though.

Otherwise, any he OR she will think you're cheap and slutty. :rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

104. I prefer reds. Is a good merlot okay or does that send out a slutty

message?

[LostinVA]

111. Chianti is THE slutty read -- I figured you already knew that

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

115. Ah yes, those hot-blooded Italians.

I should have figured. It's a nation of sinners...the whole lot of them. I decided this during my 10 day visit there. That's all I need because I'm The Decider.

[LostinVA]

211. I'm half Sicilian... and I'm the Comforter

I like comforting those easy chicks who give it up.

[LynneSin]

126. Especially when served with Liver and Fava Beans

:eyes:

[Sparkly]

147. You're safer with Zinfandel, but...

... The important thing is to do a lot of swirling and sniffing. (Of the glass.) Then casually bring up conversation topics like how milk isn't free, the value of a good cow, etc...

[Nikki Stone 1]

156. And he'll wonder if you're a dairy farmer

:)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

159. Nah, I prefer soy milk. nt

[Nikki Stone 1]

162. Why pay for the soybeans when the....

wait, that doesn't work.

:(

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

164. I think this has turned into...

one of the most accidentally funny GD threads since "Call Congress. RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!"

[Nikki Stone 1]

165. I never saw that thread!

Do you have a link?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

167. Check your PM. nt

[Nikki Stone 1]

169. Thanks

nt

[LostinVA]

110. You're just frigid, that's why you're "gay"

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

112. Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.

I guess I just need to find the right man, but I should be careful not to "give it up" too soon...not like I have anything "to give up."

[LostinVA]

238. I'm older and wiser than you... well, older

[okieinpain]

79. if your breast are out, and you your jeans are so tight I can see

every dimple on you butt, it's public information sorry but women approach sex different then they did 20 or 30 years ago. personally I really don't care, put your shit out to the wind, but in my opinion women are going to loose that battle because they are the ones that will get hurt.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

80. Obviously you do care, as you continue to make extremely judgmental

and crude remarks about women who do not meet your "standards" of conduct.

[okieinpain]

86. what crude remarks, and what extreme judgements. it's just a fact

[LostinVA]

114. No, it's your rather biased opinion

[LostinVA]

113. Word

[me b zola]

234. Let me try to translate

All of his friends are getting layed by the gals who are "putting their shit out there", but he is not getting any action.

[Bridget Burke]

83. Well, things weren't all that puritanical 20 or 30 years ago.....

But I guess you didn't get any then, either.

[okieinpain]

90. not sure what you mean. maybe we should list out what is ok, and

what is not ok. because I've seen references on du about oh lets say mrs. harris in florida using two of her assets, that were quite rude. yet no one seemed to have a problem with that, actually it seemed everyone was really upset that she did that.

but I make a reference to a women walking around displaying those same assets and now I'm weird. ok can someone explain that please.

[sandnsea]

98. I'll ABC it for you

Sex good. Everybody like sex. Honest.

Whore bad. Nobody like manipulation. Dishonest.

Get it?

[okieinpain]

100. ok what makes a whore. I'm not sure any more.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

105. The true definition is the same as it's always been...

sexual acts for money. Prostitution, the oldest profession; unfortunately, it's illegal in many places.

[LostinVA]

120. Come on and admit it -- you write for the Onion, right?

Because this is just too, too giggleicious if you're on the up and up.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

122. It reminds me of the time when a Freeper went to the dictionary to look up

"sodomy," then came back to tell me I was right.

:rofl:

Nothing says, "sexually healthy adult" like having to look up the simplest of things in the dictionary.

[LostinVA]

237. giggle

[okieinpain]

188. well it's half bullshit, and half serious. what I don't get is the big

deal is.

[Cerridwen]

143. A "whore" is usually

what a woman is called when she refuses to have sex with a man who thinks he has it "coming to him".

A "slut" is the same woman who "puts out" for his best friend and refuses to "share" and he still thinks he has it "coming to him".

A prostitute is the woman (or man) the aforementioned loser pays for sex because he can't figure out why the whore/slut can't see he has it "coming to him".

[bobbieinok]

200. interesting that the terms all refer to women, except prostitute

I think all originally referred to women and then definition was expanded.

In the 70s when there were many discussions of language and women, someone wrote an essay pointing out that nearly every term denoting a woman has been used to say she is 'loose.' Some examples I remember (from the 17th and 18th centuries) are 'seamstress' and 'milliner.'

It was also pointed out that the same slide does not occur to terms denoting a man. The best example was 'master' and 'mistress.' Originally each term meant someone of higher social status. But now, compare 'a wall of old masters' to 'a wall of old mistresses.'

Also, 'spinster' originally meant a woman who spins; it was later used to describe a woman's sexual condition/desirability.

[Cerridwen]

243. If you're at all interested, have the time and such,

there's a great book that talks about not only the language used about and against women, but how rhetoric and sentence structure is used to further place women in the roll of victim, or to hide women from discussion, and so on.

For example; using the phrase battered women which obfuscates the batterer's role in the battering, using battered rather than brutalized is another example, or domestic violence which has such a nice civilized ring to it, using abortion clinic rather than women's health clinic to place the focus on abortion which may or may not be the prime service offered, news articles that place the focus on the rape victim rather than the rapist, and so forth and so on.

It has to do with what is now called "framing the debate" though it was in print long before I'd heard of Dr. Lakoff.

The book is Speaking Freely: Unlearning the Lies of the Fathers' Tongues by Julia Penelope, 1990. link

I recommend this book to anyone I think might be interested in how language is used to create "reality" which in turn is used to create language which in turn ...

edit: add link to book

[bobbieinok]

248. thanks

Robin Lakoff wrote one book about women and languge....she may be George's wife

[sandnsea]

148. Money over integrity

People are that confused about ethics and values??

[Der Blaue Engel]

139. Dishonest bad. Whore good.

I mean, I'm sure there are bad whores, but you get what you pay for. :evilgrin:

[sandnsea]

149. hehe

I wouldn't know from personal experience.

Thinking about it though, some in the sex industry are more honest and ethical than others.

[Cerridwen]

146. Just to clarify a misunderstanding

"no one seemed to have a problem with that"

Then you didn't see my posts in response to some here who would reduce a woman to her body parts (assets?!).

So, you see, someone has in fact had a problem with that and posted such.

[LostinVA]

117. I was in college then, and I betcha things were "worse" then

This was right before AIDS became known to us. Girls were dropping their undies left and right -- white, black, black, brown, Asian, Albanian, Palauian... it was just crazy! And the tight tapered jeans they worse -- why, you could read the label on their undies, their jeans were so damned tight -- that's IF they still had their undies on -- you know how they were dropping 'em in the 90's.

[riderinthestorm]

123. Remember Brooke Shields? Nothing comes between me and my Calvins?

[Sparkly]

87. "it's public information" -- WHAT is?

What "battle" will women lose?

In what way do women "approach sex" differently now than 20-30 years ago, and how do you know?

[okieinpain]

91. women sleep around a lot more freely then they did 20 years ago

if you don't know this then you need to get out more.

[Sparkly]

95. Really?

First, let's go back 30 years or more, when the Pill was available and HIV/AIDs wasn't a scare. Got any surveys on that?

Second, IF women are "sleeping around" (!) more today than 20 years ago, whose business is that?

Third, are men "sleeping around" too, or has there been a massive exodus of lesbians from the closet?

[okieinpain]

192. I'm sorry, but I thought I made it clear that I really don't have a

problem with males, or females doing what they want to do. I just don't think it's healthy for a person to be so open with that aspect of their lives. that goes for males or females, but out of the two I believe that the problems are worse for the female then the male.

and if anyone is upset by me using the terms male and female please feel free to substitute men and women as you see fit. :~)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

199. Two questions:

1. Why would the "problems" be "worse" for "females, and what are these "problems?"

2. Regarding, "I just don't think it's healthy for a person to be so open with that aspect of their lives," I haven't seen anyone advocating anything except healthy discussion of sex. What are you referring to that is "unhealthy?"

[LostinVA]

119. No, they don't -- I suspect maybe YOU didn't get out much back then

I was almost out of college, and those panties were being dropped so fast the bed was a'spinning.

[okieinpain]

193. so they had girls gone wild back then, I don't think so. if you were

getting plenty back then, then you would need viagra now buddy, and not because of your age.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

201. I think you are either seriously overestimating sex today or

underestimating sex in the past and "Girls Gone Wild" just a strawman, you're throwing into the argument.

[okieinpain]

213. no I'm not. come on now you're going to say that what goes as

normal today is what was going on 20 years ago. man look my son is having sex like it's going to go away, and he's only 19, he's had more partners then I've had in my whole life. sorry but it's way different then when was twenty..

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

215. If you're basing it just off your son and his friends, then perhaps...

they're just unusually sexually active, if you find the trend that bothersome? Or perhaps you just never got laid much?

And as long as he's using protection, then what is the big deal really? He is an adult and hopefully so are the women.

[okieinpain]

216. ok, you guy's win man. whatever......

[eridani]

235. I slept with my husband on our first date

Moved in together a few months later. Married a year later, and just celbrated our 36th anniversary. Neither of us has ever been with a virgin.

[LostinVA]

240. You dropped your panties pretty fast there

I am TEASING.

[LostinVA]

239. I'm not a buddy, nor do I need Viagra -- I'm female

And, as I said to my BIL once: I betcha I had more cute, sexy girl;s give it up to me than you ever did.

The 1980's weren't exactly the 1950's. Oi.

And, what the bloody hell does "Girls Gone Wild" have to do with it??? Do you SERIOUSLY think that's what most 18-22 years old women are like??? What a sad, sad thing to say. And disrespectful. Young women that age are going to college, working hard, raising kids, serving in our military, etc. Jeebus. What misogynistic tripe.

[riderinthestorm]

128. 45 years old here. I can't even count how many times I "put out"

on the first date in my teens and twenties. STDs were about the only thing anyone really worried about.

It was a wild time. And dinner?? ROFL!!! How about sharing some weed and a bag of popcorn for the munchies?

By the way, I "put out" on my first date with my husband (moved in with him that night actually). We just celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary. I'll have to tell him he shouldn't "respect" me at this stage of the game since I didn't "hold out" on him way back then...

[Mandate My Ass]

134. I've initiated sex on first dates several times

They put out. Now I only date men who are easy lays. :evilgrin:

[riderinthestorm]

138. .

:toast:

[Nikki Stone 1]

154. LOL!!!

Mandate, you're my hero today.

:D

[Mandate My Ass]

174. Who me?

A woman of loose morals? Aw shucks. :evilgrin:

[Nikki Stone 1]

175. Loose is good. Tight is pinchy.

Or inebriated. Both of which can hurt the digestion.

Unless you're off dairy and can sell your cow so nobody gets free milk.

:)

[LostinVA]

241. gigglegigglegiggle

[okieinpain]

196. man you guy's are killing me. everybody that been fussing at me

all day knows that what's acceptable today is way different then just a few years ago. it's crazy out there, for both adults, and younger people. I would bet serious money that every last one of you that have been calling me dumb stupid names would say the same thing I'm saying here.

I just wish someone would be honest about the whole deal.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

202. Sometimes when no one agrees with you...it's not because you're the only

one being honest. ;)

[okieinpain]

212. funny, I hear ya.. but I just can't believe that everyone around here

is just so cool with todays sexual norm's

[Mythsaje]

236. I don't see a problem with it...

though I DO wish they'd cure AIDS or create a working vaccine. Then we'd get to have a second sexual revolution and that would be pretty damn cool. Of course, I'm getting too old to really enjoy it.

What you're seeing, really, is a relaxed attitude toward sex...in certain circles. Very European. Sex is natural. And any problems caused for the woman are caused by the attitudes about sex, not the sex itself, assuming proper health precautions are taken.

I've had sex on the first date several times, and remember all those women fondly. My respect for a person, or lack of same, has nothing to do with whether or not they're going to have sex with me (on the first date or otherwise). I had sex with my wife on our first date, and we've been married for six years now.

I'm certainly cool with a more relaxed attitude about sex.

[philosophie_en_rose]

242. True. We should long for the golden moral age of 1986.

:sarcasm:





:rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

252. You're right! I wasn't "giving it up" in 1986.

Of course, I was three...

[newspeak]

170. twenty or thirty years ago

hey, I remember those good times often..... and many at my high school at the time, we're rather sexual. Now, that was a time when we had to where dresses, no slacks-of course, there were tight jeans after school. Let's see, in my mother's day, it was drive-in movies and hanky panky. So, I really don't think there's any good ol days of sexual purity, unless you go to the Victorian days, the days of sexual perversion and hypocrisy-where socially sex was so repressed, that it came out in a very patriarchal sexual perversion,

[newspeak]

194. okay, I got to edit the above

it's "were" and "wear"

[Bucky]

249. I agree we live in a crude society, but so much of the blame is antifemale

I don't like the trashification of our pop culture. I don't like the way pop media encourages young girls to dress trashy or the way music and TV have started to sexually exploit childhood. But the same media encourages young boys to regard females as sex objects and only value "conquests" and hardly anyone ever turns their anger toward boys--much less the media stars who are propagating these unhealthy attitudes.

Dr Laura is feeding off the moral panic and isn't doing a damned thing to make the world a better place. Castigating young ladies solely doesn't help a bit. If a woman dances butt nekkid on my front lawn, I still think I have an obligation to treat her with respect (while calling her parents).

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

22. "Give it up way too easy?"

I'm sure women are "giving it up" no easier than men. So where is your outrage over that? Also, I do believe women should be allowed to dress how they want, without someone passing judgement over their percieved reason for the woman's manner of dress. People of all genders dress to impress for various reasons, not just women, and adults should be allowed to "give it up" with other adults without your judgement.

You might be comfortable in Saudi Arabia. I hear men get to totally decide what women wear and who they have sex with there.

[okieinpain]

92. then if there is no judgement why get upset with bush, or chaney,

or rice, shit they are just doing their thing. I'm not understanding the response for this thread, it kinda weird. I would bet serious money that if a repug was to get on the tv tonight and have on a low cut blouse and make a pass at a couple of the guest on tv. alot of the folks in this thread would be all over that person's behavior, and everyone would agree.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

103. Umm...your sexist remarks have nothing to do with the "leadership"

of the current administration.

I would bet serious money that if a repug was to get on the tv tonight and have on a low cut blouse and make a pass at a couple of the guest on tv. alot of the folks in this thread would be all over that person's behavior, and everyone would agree.

Well, if someone of either political party just randomly started hitting on someone else during an interview, it'd deservedly have a :wtf: reaction. Wearing a low cut blouse does not equal a pass though to mature adults.

[okieinpain]

190. yeah, well I do belief that making a pass and being so-called

easy is what the original post is about. why would you say what the wtf if someone made a pass at someone. I thought it was nobodies business who someone slept with. man this topic is really deep and confusing.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

204. If they did it during a national newsbroadcast (which was your scenario)

that would just be an absurd situation, which is highly unlikely to ever occur. You make up a ridiculous scenario and I say most people's reaction to that ridiculous scenario is :wtf:. It is nobody's buisiness about who is sleeping with who, but the scenario you provided is so off-the-wall, it is really not pertinent to any reasonable discussion. By the way, I'm not surprised you find it deep and confusing. Actually thinking can be hard for some.

[okieinpain]

214. yo, come on now, there was a post a while back with k harris talking

to some young dude on one of her campaign stops and there were quite a few rudddde comments made about it. now say I'm crazy.

[Skittles]

27. and some of them have their sluttish exploits out on the web

like I need this hypocritical piece of garbage to speak for me:
http://www.bartcop.com/mengidx.htm

[Warren DeMontague]

67. What's most upsetting about those pictures

is that it really looks like once upon a time, she was an actual human being with a spark of fun in her eyes. No more.

[Der Blaue Engel]

46. Did I just go back in time 30 years?

Give? It? Up?????????

And how would you know why women dress any particular way?

P.S., News flash: HUMAN "FEMALES" ARE CALLED WOMEN.

[Sparkly]

61. "Females"

Thank you!! :thumbsup:

That makes me crazy...

[okieinpain]

94. ok women, geez I'm sorry for upsetting you.

[Der Blaue Engel]

106. This isn't about me n/t

[redqueen]

50. ...

:puke:

[Warren DeMontague]

70. Yep. It's not like the good old days, that's for sure.

[okieinpain]

96. funny.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

168. No, you didn't find it funny. I did, though.

And gee, I'd love to know what you said in that initial deleted message.

[okieinpain]

189. what they deleted one of my posts. what the hell did I do....

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

203. Hmm...racist? Check! Sexist? Check! nt

[LostinVA]

107. You know different straight females than me, then

All the ones I know would laugh you out of the room after hearing a comment like that.

And, "females give it up way too easy"??? Been reading some 1959 sociology book or something?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

109. Of course, it does appear that he's being laughed out of the room right

now. He doesn't give up, though. He's holding on to it, even if the women are giving it up too easy.

[LostinVA]

121. I wish Kate Winslet would give it up too easy -- to me

Damn her for not being a slut and wearing jeans that you can see every dimple through!!!!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

125. I wish Gillian Anderson would give it up too easy -- to me.

And here she is in her latex outfit...


Although, I prefer her as Agent Scully. I'd make her work awhile to get the answers out of me though.

[Der Blaue Engel]

140. Yowza

*Swoon*. Thank you for posting those! :D

[LostinVA]

210. She already gave it up to me once -- haha

Well, I was daydreaming, but she dropped those panties pretty quick!!!

[Greyhound]

144. Puritans on the march.

How sad that so little has changed in 400 years.



Is it merely coincidence that those that would impose their mis-named "morality" on the rest of us are the very people nobody wants to be around, let alone have genital contact with? Except, of course, for the other repulsives,.

[Jacobin]

8. If you have eye bleach handy, you can go see DrLaura in all her 'glory'

Here's a link to her, um, porno shoot:

http://www.bartcop.com/mengidx.htm

Warning, X-rated pics

[Cerridwen]

9. Does this person have any friends?

Are any of them female?

Why haven't they done an intervention?

Where do these types of self-hating women come from; her, coulter, malkin, schlafly, le haye, et. al.? (it's a rhetorical question; I know of the psych 101 that covers this).

[Phredicles]

13. Her views make sense if she's the only woman she knows:

After all, if 100% of the women in her experience are vicious, amoral skanks, you can where she'd come to the conclusions she does.

[Ilsa]

14. She and the Ann Coulters and Bill Bennetts will

write or say anything to make a quick buck, no matter how hypocritical their own behavior is.

What scares me about some of these books is that editions may last beyond our current time when we can blast them for their hypocrisy. Let's hope and pray the anti-Laura (etc) blogs about them last beyond their own print.

[Supersedeas]

176. did you forget Flush Limpbod?

[Avalux]

15. The only ones who listen to her are those just like her.

She's a hypocrite - and does it ever occur to her that a woman might WANT to perform oral sex before being fed dinner? :eyes: She's says that like we're animals or something - "being fed dinner" - sheesh.

[Withywindle]

218. I find it's better to do it *before* dinner, myself

Acid reflux + BJ = bad combination. :evilgrin:

[Dogmudgeon]

16. She was pretty back then

Like Katherine "Don't call me Kathy, call me Katherine" Harris.

It only goes to show you that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone.

--p!

[Brewman_Jax]

18. The only true statement is that she really is a Ph.D

but that's all. Her deep philosophical hypocrisy, add that she found religion after being a homewrecker, puts her in bad company with Limpballs, O'Leilly, Whorowitz, and the rest of the lying neo-con RW scum.

[UTUSN]

40. "found religion" - Last I heard,yrs ago,she aborted her conversion n/t

[Brewman_Jax]

68. You are correct

She left Judaism a few years ago. She couldn't do that right.

[ProfessorGAC]

54. Another University That Should Be Ashamed

How do know-nothing, shallow thinking twits like this get a Ph.D. in ANY subject?
The Professor

[CoffeeCat]

69. but remember....her Ph.D is in physiology...

...not psychology, social work or any related field.

She's on the radio, because her her shrill, snarky, demeaning personality is sensational
and entertaining (to some).

[Nikki Stone 1]

85. Yep. And a damned shame she didn't stay in the field

She was apparently quite promising in it and God knows she's not qualified for what she's doing now.

[AlienGirl]

209. If you ever need rat bladder advice, she's the go-to person on that!

[Nikki Stone 1]

219. Actually, if I remember correctly, it was fat pads in rats

Don't ask. I just remember fat pads.

[mwb970]

21. I heard her show for a few minutes once.

It was awful. Right up there with Nancy Grace! I continue to be amazed by the continuous, unending supply of troubled, sick right-wing wackos. Is there a factory somewhere stamping them out 7 days a week? Can we send them all somewhere?

[MindPilot]

23. She's just saying that because she found out that Tom Leykis has

better ratings.

[Nikki Stone 1]

45. Does he really? I've always liked Tom

I always wondered why AAR didn't pick him up.

[kurth]

30. Dr. Laura would never do anything like spread her legs for a camera

Nah.

http://www.bartcop.com/mengidx.htm

[cwydro]

59. OMG

:puke: why oh why did I click on that link....

[Nikki Stone 1]

66. Actually, I don't have a problem that she did those pix

I have a problem that slutty Bill Balance put them online.

[hunter]

171. It was an ugly feud, a Dr. Laura special.

She kicked an old man in the ego and he retaliated with the pictures.

:puke:

[Nikki Stone 1]

180. Really? I never knew there was a backstory to that

I'd like to know about it if you would be interested in telling it

[mark414]

31. men have always seen women as objects no matter what laura

the average man is probably a bigger whore than the average woman, anyways

[Nikki Stone 1]

53. You hit the nail on the head

....

[Beausoir]

32. Her mother's corpse rotted in an apartment for weeks. What a great role

model for young women today.

This pig is very very mentally ill.

[Nikki Stone 1]

152. Her mother's condo was just over the 405 freeway

1/2 hour drive maybe. Laura's mother was dead for 3 months before she was found. Laura wasn't even paying someone to check on her.

edited for typo

[Beausoir]

186. Yes! She let her mother mummify. What kind of evil does that?

3 months of rotting corpse.

[Nikki Stone 1]

220. And she was so close by--it wasn't like she was in another city or state

I can't imagine just leaving your mother like that. No matter how much you hate her, you keep an eye on her. Or pay someone to keep an eye on her.

The woman had more money than God. What would it take to say to someone in the condo next door, "I'm Laura Schlessinger--you know, Dr Laura--and my mom lives next door to you. Here is my card. If anything happens to my mom or your suspect something is wrong, please call me right away." God, a celebrity asks you to watch her mom? I'll bet lots of people would do that. Or, you hire a housekeeper who goes in once a week to clean house. You give her keys and pay her extra to keep an eye on your mom. How hard is it???

I never understood this, never.

[area51]

33. "... perform ... sex ... without even having to be fed dinner"

Ah, I see, Laura. So it's just a matter of prostitution, because YOU have a price, & that price is dinner. Gee, you're cheap. :evilgrin:

[Mandate My Ass]

35. I'd rather be labeled a whore or slut

for "putting out" too quickly than actually become one by holding out until the guy I was with spent enough cash wining and dining me.

[gkhouston]

88. and here I thought I had sex when I chose to and not

because someone "paid" for it with food or money or fake endearmeants. Must inform husband that we're not screwing according to Dr. Laura's Great Plan...

[Mandate My Ass]

116. first time for food, then hold out a second time for a rock

Hmmm, although now that you're married, I guess according to Dr. Laura you should only have sex to procreate, and don't go enjoying it either. :spank:

[gkhouston]

142. but it's okay

if my husband enjoys it. :eyes:

[Nikki Stone 1]

160. Actually, Mandate, Laura once counseled a married couple with older kids

against using erotic literature in their foreplay.

Seriously.

This man called Laura's show. He and his wife had been married for 14 years and had two preteen kids. They had a good marriage and now that the kids were old enough for sleepovers and things, the couple had more time for each other. The wife of the pair had bought some erotic literature and had her husband read it to her apparently--it all seemed pretty tame, but it definitely was doing it for them. The husband called Laura to ask if this was OK. (I don't know what his motives were for asking Laura about his sex life, but that's another story I guess.)

Laura asked if they were Christian and the man said they were. Then she told the man that the use of erotic literature was wrong because it didn't represent Christian sexual behavior. (Guess she never read the Song of Solomon.)

I remember just being aghast. I mean here was this faithful couple with two kids that was actually having some fun. Sex isn't the biggest part of a marriage, especially after having 2 kids, but it's the part that can keep the other parts moving smoothly. Laura was all for keeping couples married (divorce=bad) but was unwilling to let them use some imagination in their sex lives to do it.

[AspenRose]

179. Oh my gosh!

"Laura asked if they were Christian and the man said they were. Then she told the man that the use of erotic literature was wrong because it didn't represent Christian sexual behavior. (Guess she never read the Song of Solomon.)"

You are so right. I'd like to know what, in her mind, is "Christian sexual behavior," especially since she's NOT a Christian....

[Nikki Stone 1]

182. I don't know what "Christian" sexual behavior is.

And of course Father Andrew Greeley isn't any help writing all the "smut" that he does. :)

Seriously, I thought that was the worst advice Laura could have given that man. If you can't experiment with your spouse, then what the hell is left?

I just hope that fighting over sex didn't land that couple to affairs and divorce court.

[newspeak]

197. why, would that man even call her ?

it's there personal choice. Gee, when I read one of those fictional erotic books, I start looking at my hubby, like eye candy... He loves those books, knows where it's going to lead. We've been married for over thirty years, still enjoying each other!!!!!:smoke:

[Nikki Stone 1]

222. I have no idea. Maybe he was having too much fun

and wanted someone to yell at him. Lots of staunch types feel the need to be scolded.

Personally I think your husband's got the right idea. Congrats on the length of your marriage, BTW. I hope that couple ignored Laura and go on to have a marriage just as long.

:)

[valerief]

38. No one really, really listens to her, right? She's just a RW machine

gog. The airwaves are filled with them, and no one really stops the dial to listen. When a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it really, really make a sound?

[Nikki Stone 1]

44. Sadly, people do listen

I know people who take Laura as gospel.

[valerief]

58. I know. Sometimes I like to go off to Denial World where I can

believe people are reasonable and fair and not blinded by irrational fear. That's where I posted my previous msg. Silly me!

[Nikki Stone 1]

63. Well, Laura's television exposure has been much less in recent years

So I don't blame you for thinking of her as fringe.

And actually, she's been having problems getting her books launched in the normal ways. For her "Care and Feeding of Husbands" a few years ago, NOBODY came to her publisher's luncheon. She mentioned this on her show at the time. I found that appropriate since the ideas in the book did not gibe with the lives of the working media women the publisher was trying to court.

The truth is that Laura is still trying to make her mommy behave so her childhood can be a happy one. Her mom was miserable--a war bride, Italian Catholic who was rejected by her secular Jewish husband's family in America. Laura was considered non-Jewish by her dad's family even as her parents were trying to raise her that way. She talks about a time when some Jewish kids at a religious summer camp threw her into a lake because of her "half-breed" status. (Of course, she might have just pissed them off--there's no telling.)

My take on Laura is that she was rejected on the basis of religion and so, now, she rejects others on that same basis, be it the Orthodox (more Jewish than thou) religion that she espoused earlier, or the religious hodgepodge that she seems to have fallen into. She rejected Orthodox Judaism because she wasn't accepted--she actually read something on her show that was posted on the internet to that effect. What that means is that her religiousity is connected most strongly to her need to belong and not necessarily to her sense of moral rightness.

Her relationship with both of her parents was very problematic. There was a lot of violence in the home: she described her parents as being "slap happy" at one point. There was constant fighting from what I gather too.

In the end, Laura is trying to repair her childhood by correcting everyone else's behavior. She really does need therapy because there is a lot of pain there. Barbara Walters kind of tapped into that in an interview she did with Laura during the peak of her career in the late 90s.

[AspenRose]

41. If you look up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary

You'll find Dr. Laura's picture there.

[OregonDem]

42. A bitter old woman who is upset that other women are having sex

while she doesn't get any. Fundies are all miserable people cause they are sexually frustrated and they want to prevent other people from having sex so we all can be miserable with them. After all misery loves company. This would explain their infatuation with Clinton's BJ and other people's sex life.

[Nikki Stone 1]

43. For a heroine of family values, she never talks about her stepchildren

When she took Lew Bishop from his family back in the 1970s, he had three small children. Laura never talks about those children or having been a stepmother to those kids.

Yet, she's always telling women who marry divorced men with previous kids "when you marry the man, you marry the children." I believe this is true, by the way, but I find it odd that Laura NEVER mentions her stepchildren or how she interacts with them in their lives.

[redqueen]

47. Is her main problem that the sluts aren't paid with dinner first? n/t

[Marr]

48. I'd love to get on her show so I could ask her

"you say these problems; promiscuity, indifference to marriage, disrespecting one's parents, etc.- are big problems now. But you've stopped doing them, yes? Maybe there's hope for other sluts!".

[gollygee]

49. I hate the cow/milk comparison

For many reasons, but mainly because if some guy thought sex with me without marriage was akin to getting milk from a cow without paying for the now, NO WAY would I want to be married to him. That is like a hallmark of someone who would make a bad husband anyway.

[Withywindle]

217. UGH, yes - talk about degrading to women!

Agree with you totally. Anybody who actually says that with a straight face ain't getting no milk, no cow, and certainly no leather!


Doesn't make sense to me anyway. Sex is an fair and even exchange in and of itself...well, unless your partner is a lousy lay.

Hm..wait a minute.


Right-wing women tend to have sex with RW men....


Oh NOW it makes sense why they say that!

:think:

[warrens]

51. Is that moron still around?

I haven't heard a word about her in years. She hasn't gotten any smarter in the interim, it appears.

[cwydro]

62. I think she is atrocious

but WHY do we always call the woman "the homewrecker" or say she "took" him from his wife...doesn't it take two to tango? Even at Du, some still blame the woman. For shame.
Still, Dr. Laura is an ass.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. What the hell is an "unpaid whore"?

I agree that society is sex-obsessed, but her rabid prudishness is just the flip-side of that obsession.

And God forbid that women agree to sex without dinner as compensation. To agree to sex without pay is whore-ish. Uh, wait a minute...

[begin_within]

73. Bill Ballance died???? He was a good radio host.

[shanti]

101. i remember bill ballance too

he was hecka funny!

[CoffeeCat]

74. Other Dr. Laura views...I've listened to her a lot.

Dr. Laura holds a plethora of contradictory and hypocritical viewpoints.

I've listened to her and heard her say these things.

She believes that if a woman has a child, that she should NOT work---EVER. Even if the
children are in school. Many of Dr. Laura's fans/callers begin their calls with, "I
am my kids' mom." Dr. Laura says that you can only say, "I am my kids mom" if you raise
your kids YOURSELF---stay home and raise them. If your kids are in daycare, she has
stated--repeatedly--that you are not your "kids' mom"--because you are not raising them.
The daycare workers are. Interesting that Dr. Laura works. She has one child (Derek) who
is in the Marines. While he was growing up, she was working, earning a Ph.D., doing a
radio program, writing books traveling all over the country. Yet...the rest of us are supposed to stay home and nothing else.

I find that very hypocritical, and I am a stay-at-home mom. We don't need people like her
leveraging stay-at-home moms. She creates dividing lines between working moms and SAHMs that
cause resentment.

Furthermore, I called Dr. Laura once. I guess I was curious about what she would say.
I had an infant and a 15-month old and I was going nuts. My husband and I talked about
me taking 2 hours off on Tuesday and Thursday, while he watched the kids. I planned
on working out, taking an art class---something to remind me that I was "Twosparkles"
as well as a mom. Dr. Laura blasted me into the next century. She said I had
no business "abandoning my kids." She told me to "jog with them in a jogging stroller during
the day, or do crafts while they were napping." (crafts? helloooo). She told me that I knew
it was going to be demanding when I had them and to suck it up. I said, "So, I can't even
leave them alone for an hour to go jogging?" She was so outraged and she cut me off, "Do you know how long TWO HOURS is to a young child?!"

What I don't get is....why does Dr. Laura get to work, realize her full potential and have
a successful career---when the rest of us are supposed to stay home 24/7? We aren't even
supposed to leave for AN HOUR for a short run, when she built her entire career as her son was growing up!

Anger and rage fuels her energy. She's not operating from a positive position. She's highly dysfunctional and rage-driven--probably because of the dysfunctional family from which she hails. She has a very vitriolic relationship with her own mother--who sounded like a miserable person. Dr. Laura had no contact with her mother, several years prior to her mother's death.

I think Dr. Laura hates her mother and that she has extrapolated that hatred onto all women. It's like she's trying to control all women in the universe by relegating them to the house.

Has everyone heard about how she teaches women to treat men? It's like something out of the "Donna Reed Please Your Man" handbook. We're supposed to make elaborate meals, put on make-up and change clothes before they get home--and most importantly--no complaining. She's often told overweight women that their husbands are justified in having affairs and getting divorced from them. She's also said that women who withhold sex for any reason (even if their husbands are being jerks) are women who deserve to be alone. Women being available for sex AT ALL TIMES is a major issue for Dr. Laura.

I listen to her sometimes--if I'm in the car and I can't find a good song. She's so over the top that it's like a form of entertainment for me. What's most sad is her callers. They buy into this stuff and read her books, praising her and telling her that she's changed their lives. Working mothers are the enemy and anyone who doesn't subscribe to her bizarre formula--is what's wrong with the world.

I believe she continues with the show, because it allows her to exist is a very enclosed bubble--talking mainly with really pathetic people who don't know any better. It's like a rat existing on its own feces.

She's also got major neocon tendencies. She always has. Now, her son is in the Marines and she can't say enough about the amazing war in Iraq and how the anti-war groups are destroying this country.

She's a piece of work--for a multitude of reasons.

[Nikki Stone 1]

82. Wow, Two Sparkles! What a rotten answer to you.

But then, Laura's the queen of rotten answers.

There is one phone call I will never forget. It was the 3rd of March, 1995, somewhere around 2:00 in LA. A young woman who was getting married in Laguna (south of LA) called Laura because she did not want her parents to come to the wedding. They had been very abusive--I think molestation may have been involved as well, but I can't remember. The young woman was in her early 20s and had found a nice guy and just wanted a happy wedding. What she wanted to know from Laura was what she should say when wedding guests asked her why her parents weren't at the wedding. (I imagine that underneath it all, she wanted some tacit approval from Laura for what she was doing as well.)

Laura told her to tell anyone who asked that her parents "couldn't make it." That would have been ok. There's not really much you can say without opening a can of worms. My problem is what happened afterwards.

Laura asked her when the wedding was and if she was serving chicken. She then told the girl that she would come to the wedding. Now, at first the girl thought she was joking (as I did) but Laura kept insisting and even my old cynical self thought that the radio host might actually travel the hour from her home in the LA Valley (Sherman Oaks at the time, I believe) to Laguna for this girl's wedding. I remember the young woman saying "Would you really come?" with this amazement and gratitude in her voice.

Then Laura said, "Only joking."

I can tell you that even I felt sucker punched--I mean Laura had insisted she was going to go and it certainly was a possibility geographically.

But was worse was the girl's reaction. She just said, "Oh." but it was that kind of "Oh" where you know that she is embarrassed and hurt, like an open door closing. Laura had basically pulled the rug out from under her, humiliated her in a public forum.

I thought to myself, "You rotten bitch. First her parents and then you."

That call happened over 11 years ago and I still haven't forgotten it. Everytime someone tells me how much they like Laura, I remember that phone call. Ultimately, Laura is all about Laura. She doesn't care about the harm she inflicts on anyone else.

That girl from Laguna is in her early 30s now. I hope she didn't let this radio narcissist ruin her wedding.


--On edit, I think the phone call was actually March 3, 1995 sometime between the hours of 1 and 2

[VaYallaDawg]

93. Wow - that is some pitiable s**t. Why do something that

hateful to somebody you don't even know?? I guess it tells you a lot about "Dr." Laura's understanding of humanity.

[Nikki Stone 1]

102. I don't know. I never understood that phone call or why Laura said that

except that she had no clue that she was actually hurting someone. That's where the narcissism comes in. She just had no clue.

[NorthernSpy]

118. from young skank to senior shrew: another bottle-blonde harpy of the right

:eyes:

When her mother was found several weeks dead in her apartment, "Doctor" Laura's response was to make sure that her radio audience understood that Laura's estrangement from mom was all mom's fault:

"I'm horrified by the tragic circumstances of my mother's death, and so sad to learn that she died as she chose to live -- alone and isolated. My mother shut all of her family out of her life over the years, though we made several futile attempts to say connected. My God rest her soul."

Okay: you don't do that. You don't criticize your mother in public. And you especially don't go on a nationwide radio broadcast to blame your poor, sick ma for dying alone.

I'm just kind of stunned that anyone would do a thing like that.

[Nikki Stone 1]

133. "she died as she chose to live -- alone and isolated"--Boy is that COLD!

yikes. And that was her mother she was talking about.

[dr.rock]

137. she's the worst possible role model for anyone, NT

[Le Taz Hot]

141. "Women act like unpaid whores"

Oh, I don't know, I kinda like to look at it as CELEBRATING OUR SEXUALITY! For hundreds of years, we weren't allowed to do that openly without suffering all kinds of nasty consequences. The fundies and mysogenists in power STILL would prefer we engage in sex only in procreation.

[Missy Vixen]

145. I know for a fact

I'm more virtuous than Laura Schlessinger. Does this mean I get my own radio advice show now?

>Who cares about vows - after all, why buy the cow when the milk is free.<

"Do as I say, not as I did."

I wonder if Laura Schlessinger would have married a man she had not previously slept with. I advance the thought that she didn't, and she wouldn't.

Julie

[schmuls]

151. I still remember when my boyfriend and I used to listen to "Dr"

Laura just to see how outrageous she would get. I remember an older woman calling in to talk about some estrangement she had had with her daughter and grand-daughter, and the woman starting to cry, and Dr. Bitch just blasting this woman, pretty much calling her a whining loser, getting what she deserved, etc. GGGGGRRR!!!!!

[Nikki Stone 1]

155. Yeah, she has a tendency to blame (and batter) the victim

Mad at mommy....

[NC_Nurse]

161. All you need is arrogance

to be on the radio or TV these days. :eyes:
It's great that she and Rush and O'Lielly and Dr. Phil and all these know-it-alls have such perfect lives that they can tell all of the rest of us what's wrong with us.
Thank Gawd for these sages. :sarcasm:

Maybe Laura just needs to get laid.

[youthere]

163. Sounds like Dr. Laura isn't getting any...

sour grapes.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

166. "difficult to find the male who values virginity, purity and innocence"

Of course. We now care about much more important things. Decency. Compassion. Intelligence. LOVE.

Well, some of us do, anyway.

[newspeak]

173. so, does she have a degree in psychology?

Hell, I'd rather listen to Ann Landers over this hypocrite. At least, Ann doesn't harm people with her suggestions!!!

[Nikki Stone 1]

178. Nah. Her PhD is in physiology

She got a master's in marriage and family counseling after being on the air. She was told it would give her credibility. In the early 2000s she let it lapse.

[CarlVK]

172. I saw her photos. Needed a wire brush for my mind's eye afterward.

As they say - some people, well, need to keep their shirts on.

[knitter4democracy]

183. I'm a slut. That's me.

Yup. I'm just a typical American female. I waited to have sex until I met my husband and knew we were going to get married. I dress in tight jeans and shirts. I'm a sahm with two kids. Yup, I'm a slut. :eyes:

Well, that's what my MIL thought when we got married, and she listens to Dr. Laura, so it must be right. Right?

[Nikki Stone 1]

185. What's a sahm?

Sorry, I just don't know.

[knitter4democracy]

208. Stay-at-home mom

It's the preferred term to "housewife," since housewife doesn't necessarily mean mom. Then there's wahm, work-at-home mom, too.

[Nikki Stone 1]

227. Thanks. I wasn't sure

Appreciate it.

[Jack Rabbit]

184. Leave the poor lady alone

Dr. Laura? Now there's a blast from the past.

Her 15 minutes were up years ago.

[Roxy66]

191. I heard her tell a Woman...

not to even mention to her husband that she knows he is having an affair if she loves her kids. She told her if she did she would ruin her family. She puts it all on the wife!!! I just about flipped out listening....i never listen to her...just flipping channels

[Nikki Stone 1]

224. Yeah, she's famous for that

Keeping silent about affairs, pretending nothing is happening for the sake of the children.

I hate to tell Laura but the kids often know too. I speak from experience here.

Somehow, I can't see her keeping quiet if Lew Bishop decided to have an affair.

[sendero]

195. What amazes me..

..is that anyone would call in. I mean, her M.O. is pretty set - if you get through the screener and get on the air, after you've gotten two sentences out of your mouth "Dr." Laura passes judgement and slams down her gavel.

The fact that anyone would actually call to be abused makes me sad, because (back 10 years ago when I heard her), I heard not one single call in which she didn't abuse the caller.

I guess there are more masochists among us than I thought.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

198. One Of The Reasons I Dated My Wife Is Cause She Gave A BJ Without Needing

dinner.

So Laura can go fuck herself.

[Deja Q]

205. Men see women as objects? What do women see men as?

Toys to be played games with?

Schlessie has a point, but both sides are to blame for the lack of solid relationships in this country. People too readily dump each other for even the slightest inconvenience. That's not right either. (some things are justified. Not all.)

[Nikki Stone 1]

225. The ones who kill the bugs and take out the garbage.

:evilgrin:

Only kidding.

[Ptah]

206. DU this usenet news group

alt.radio.talk.dr-laura

[lonestarnot]

221. This bitch isn't a doctor is she? She has some counseling cert.

or something and hung out a shingle. Anyone ever looked for her credentials and verified them?

[Nikki Stone 1]

228. Check post #178

nt

[lonestarnot]

244. Yeah, I knew she was a crock.

[Nikki Stone 1]

245. The problem is that a lot of people don't know

or don't care.

[MrScorpio]

223. Maybe she took the HYPOCRITE OATH instead?

Seems like it

[Triana]

226. who cares about virginity, purity and innocence?

...unless they just want someone they can CONTROL. WHO wants a man like THAT? Most WOMEN do NOT. Men need to get over their control issues. "Dr. Laura" wants to help them perpetuate them, instead. Laura is a slut herself and a hypocrite to boot. AND an idiot. WHAT a pisspoor example of a woman - period. Talk about "morally confused" (©Dick Cheney). HERE is a woman who is the EPITOME of moral confusion (and that's putting it NICELY).

Women who are strong, intelligent, independent, sexy, who cannot be controlled by men, and who will tell them where the bull shit in the buckwheat can help protect themselves from attracting control freak domineering men - like the ones Dr. Laura fawns over and wants to help.

[Nikki Stone 1]

230. Hey Triana. Tell us how you really feel!

:evilgrin:

:)

Fun post!

[Triana]

232. It's where the bull (named Laura in this case) shit in the buckwheat...

...that's all. It stanks too! Ya cain't miss it.

Phew!

[Nikki Stone 1]

233. Very, very smelly.

:)

[Keepontruking]

229. DR. Laura

Anyone know a good therapist???????????????/Circus girl

[Nikki Stone 1]

246. "Dr" Laura trashes Planned Parenthood (re: Prop 85 in CA)

"Dr. Laura Says You’re Cruel

Dr. LauraJust in case you thought the fight over Prop. 85 wasn't being watched carefully by conservatives across the country, Dr. Laura Schlessinger clarified the issue for all of us. In an op-ed that ran in the Santa Barbara News Press last week, Dr. Laura—famous for her vitriolic rants and spastic advice—suggested Planned Parenthood is somehow threatening the future well-being of our daughters.

Kids are traumatized by so many things: pimples, fat, learning problems in school, bullying and so forth," Schlessinger wrote. "I don't think it helps our daughters' future well-being to have the memory of terminating the lives of their never-first-born children… But this is exactly what Planned Parenthood and the League of Women Voters want for your daughter: that indelible, ugly memory for the rest of her life."

[Nikki Stone 1]

247. Prop 85 : Evangelicals for Social Action

Groups like “Evangelicals for Social Action” say there’s a provision in Prop. 85 called “judicial bypass” to take care of those teens who don’t or can’t talk to their parents.

The Truth: Judicial bypass won’t work in California. Studies show that in states with similar laws, courts give teens misleading and incorrect information, creating dangerous and unnecessary delays. The New England Journal of Medicine found that some teens wait until they are 18 and well into their second trimester so they don’t have to tell their parents– further causing real harm to all involved.

From No on Prop 85

[Nikia]

250. In some cases that might be true

I grew up in a more socially conservative area, although it may be true in other areas as well. Many men saw certain women as sex objects who they would never marry, who might be attractive but who they saw as socially inferior, and other women as potential marriage material who didn't usually sleep with guys right away. For a young woman wanting a relationship, it might be smart for her to wait to have sex in order to avoid putting herself automatically into the sex object category and to determine his opinion (whether he views her only as a sex object or a potential mate) of her before investing in him emotionally. I have had a number of female aquaintances who I gave this advice after they complained that men only seem to want them for one thing. I think as people get older, this sort of categorization is less common though, especially amongst more educated people (when both partners are college educated). Unfortunately, the double standard is still with us so women, especially young women, should be aware of it if they want more than sex.
Perhaps I am a hypocrite though, I ended marrying a man who I had sex with on the first date and I was his first.

[boobooday]

251. Mommy Issues

These Republicans are embarrassingly, publicly neurotic.

All they do is project, all day long . . .