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eccles12 Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:25 AM
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I do believe that if the Republicans win in Novermber the draft will not
be far behind. They will want to continue wars and start new ones. That means they will need much more than an all volunteer military. People who can't see this are nuts!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:26 AM
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1. Uh...
Wasn't this same thing said before the '02 and the '04 elections? I just don't think they'd ever have the stones to outright do it, just like they don't have the stones to outright do any of the crap they do. They'll just figure out end runs around everything.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:32 AM
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3. Maybe not so much an end around as a different strategy.
With the current direction of our economy, there has to be some consequence. The job market is shrinking, the poor are getting poorer. Eventually, there will be a landslide of enlistment by virtue of bad economic policy. Make 'em hungry enough, they'll do anything for 3 hots & a cot.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:36 AM
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8. I know a US Marshall that is going to Iraq to guard the embassy
Is this normal?
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:31 AM
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2. Nah, with any luck
they just outsource it to india. The draft would mean their spawn might have to serve, they'd rather have some poor third world people do their dirty work.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:33 AM
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4. The draft will be the straw that broke the camels back
This is something they need to do to continue their conquest of the evil doers but something that will be their undoing if they exercise this option.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:34 AM
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5. A war to conquer such a big area as the middle east
and to garrison it will require a draft no matter which party wins in '06.
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Options Remain Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:34 AM
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6. They dont need to win to spend money
in fact the more wars they lose the more they will spend.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:35 AM
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7. That is their third rail..
.. and they know it. Can you imagine how unpopular this "war" will become if there is a draft?

The shit-for-brains Republicans didn't learn much from Vietnam, but they learned THAT.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:48 AM
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9. I was just thinking about the same thing. It is a solid equation -
A Bush win = draft. Why? PNAC has not yet succeeded. Succeeded in what? A successful invasion and takeover for the control of the Middle East for a variety of purposes that are very important to them as they were born unable to negotiate except with each other for a division of the spoils, sharing of or passing on of blame, sharing of strategies, sharing of covering up tactics.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:48 AM
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10. I think we'll see an immigration policy that promises citizenship
to aliens before we see the draft. They know the draft will bring their never ending war to an end. The backwash may support bushco with their votes & their voice but they are not giving them the blood of their sons & daughters.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:50 AM
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11. It would be worth losing in '06 to see that happen...
It would poison young voters for many, many years to come.

They would probably open up military service up to violent criminals... (they're 1/2 way there already)
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:09 AM
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12. I don't think so ....
That would mean all their friends children will have to sign up - and a new wave of scandal if any dodging goes on. Putting their money where their mouth is one of their weakest points.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:16 AM
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13. I have an idea ... if the Dems win the House, they should put forth a
proposal re-introducing the modified draft ... everybody who is on record as supporting the war and is of recruitable age should be drafted ...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:21 AM
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14. The Republicans will be routed in
November.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:22 AM
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15. They aren't going to implement a draft..
this is one issue Dems that keep sayng this truly and clearly don't understand..

If we had a draft today, we wouldn't be in Iraq today... period, end of story.

When the people with money in this country have to actually back these clowns with their childrens lives... well, it won't happen.

They do know this, too.. I promise you that.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:40 AM
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16. Repugs starting the draft after 2006 would guarantee utter rout in 2008
Repugs that I know who still don't quite see the light are absolutely against a draft. Even they know it would be a disaster.

But if the Repugs want to drum up the draft, I'm all for it. They would get utterly destroyed in 2008.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:48 AM
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17. if we have anything to do with November we will get our butts
out there in massive numbers and get the Dems in, no matter what, either in the Senate or in the House.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:59 AM
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18. Interesting Dynamic - A Great Deal to Consider
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 09:00 AM by TornadoTN
The draft is a lose-lose for the Republicans. It's all about make someone else do the sacrificing but not their own. The draft would be the single-most devastating thing that would affect ALL Americans - the six degrees of separation rule, if you will. Right now, the "volunteer" military has the unfortunate mantra of "you asked to be in it, so do what we say and don't complain" attached to it, so people are more willing to accept military losses as a consequence of our flawed international policy.

Think about it, average Americans probably don't think much about Iraq because they percieve it as not affecting them directly. They go about their lives, paying little more than lip-service to the war(s) and attaching yellow ribbon magnets to their vehicles. That's how the war is affecting them day to day (they don't realize all of the associated costs and consequences they have or will affect them). Now imagine if those same people were asked to send their children -involuntarily - to fight these wars. I would wager that the vast majority wouldn't be so supportive of these military actions if they were asked to make a sacrifice that directly affects them.

There are now only two options to increase recruitment or at sustain it at current levels - First, drum up the fear and trumpet fierce nationalism. This is already happening, but it remains to be see how effective it is in the long run. My local news just did a show last night about all of the local high school kids that lived through 9/11 and are now enlisting. It was a pure fluff piece that trumpeted the usual talking points, but the most striking thing to me was that the kids had absoloutely no idea about anything that was going on in the world.

The second, and most disturbing option for the Republicans, is to hope (or stage, depending on your philosophy) for another terrorist attack to ratchet up the drums of war. Remember all of the people that wanted to enlist after 9/11 and their stories? Yeah, the Republicans do too.

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