Americans Declared ENEMY for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement

[Land Shark]

On Tuesday September 12, 2006, Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne announced, and AP reporter Lolita C. Bandor calmly reported, that military weapons should first be used on Americans exercising their constitutional rights in the course of demonstrations before they are used against mere enemies in war:

Nonlethal weapons: For Americans first?

Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

-Associated Press, Plain Dealer (Cleveland) September 13, 2006 Wednesday

More detail: Air Force Chief: Test Weapons on Testy US Mobs
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index.html

A lexisnexis search on September 14, 2006 at 2 a.m. reveals that over a dozen American papers picked up this AP story, but none commented or criticized on the implicit notion that American citizens (whether in "mobs" or otherwise) should be guineau pigs for military weapons, "nonlethal" or not, in order to avoid BEING "VILIFIED IN THE FOREIGN PRESS," the exact stated rationale of Air Force Secretary Wynne in the extended versions of this article.

Could it be any clearer that we have NO FUNCTIONING PRESS? The military can put out something like this on the AP wire and it gets no media protest to speak of. The foreign press is literally feared more, and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne says essentially that.

The "nonlethal" adjective is hardly reassuring. All forms of torture are by definition "nonlethal" since the victim's death is neither intended or likely because of torture.

But Wonkette picked up on some of the intended inferences from this story:

The latest victory plan in the War On Terror {...is...} sure to succeed! Wynne wants to use "non lethal weapons" on civilian populations in the United States! It gets better. Wynne actually announced that the Pentagon should "test" these death-ray machines on Americans in "crowd-control situations."

That's right, hippies: Your next march on Washington is going to be a leetle bit painful. But then your brain will explode just like the space monsters in "Mars Attacks!"

In closing, if you have any big ideas about storming the White House and hanging them all, you might want to put down the bong and get busy.

Fear Will Keep Them In Line ... Fear of This Death Ray Wonkette September 13, 2006 Wednesday,

So, right out of the gate we have at least three extremely extraordinary direct implications:

1. Americans, or at least those americans exercising constitutional rights of speech or assembly but perhaps getting somewhat out of order, are the appropriate test subjects for military grade "nonlethal" weapons.

2. The foreign press is more of a force in terms of checking and balancing Pentagon behavior than the American Press and the American public and all bloggers combined, and Secretary Wynne SO FAR proves this point by the SO FAR meek reaction to the idea that Americans have a lower status than enemy soldiers such that they can have weapons tested on them... FIRST.

3. Secretary Wynne and perhaps others would like to chill upcoming mass demonstrations with fears that microwave weapons might be used.

These microwave weapons, if used by state and local officials, would lead to things like the $180,000 settlement reported September 13, 2006 in the Miami Herald for an independent journalist hit in the eye with a beanbag "nonlethal" weapon during protests at the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit in 2003. Miami Herald, September 13, 2006 Wednesday, SECTION: B; Pg. 1

But there was yet another story whose facts commenced on Tuesday September 12 (and was published thursday, September 14). It was written by the same AP reporter as the microwave testing on Americans story: Lolita C. Bandor. This second story concerned the rules of engagement for US Forces.

Rules of engagement are largely secret. MSNBC notes: "The rules of engagement are some of the most closely guarded secrets in the U.S. military. Once revealed, they may allow the enemy to modify its tactics, techniques and procedures to make itself less of a target." <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14823099/>

Nevertheless, rules of engagement as to attacking cemeteries are now fodder for the press, starting on Tuesday September 12 when the Pentagon leaked a photo to MSNBC Reporter Kerry Sanders of a Taliban formation that commanders refused to allow an attack on because of alleged rules of engagement prohibiting attacks during funerals:



Which led to this report "US Declines Taliban Funeral Target":

The U.S. military acknowledged Wednesday that it considered bombing a group of more than 100 Taliban insurgents in southern Afghanistan but decided not to after determining they were on the grounds of a cemetery.

The decision came to light after an NBC News {correspondent Kerry Sanders published on his MSNBC blog a photograph of the alleged Taliban funeral formation.} Defense department officials first tried to block further publication of the photo, then struggled to explain what it depicted.

NBC News claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by an unmanned Predator drone but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.

Associated Press Online September 14, 2006 Thursday

Note the rationale for not attacking the Taliban funeral:

While not giving a reason for the decision, the military concluded the statement saying that while Taliban forces have killed innocent civilians during a funeral, coalition forces "hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies."

Associated Press Online September 14, 2006 Thursday

Putting these two stories that started their way rolling to the press on Tuesday September 12 by the same AP Reporter, we might conclude that the military prefers targeting Americans to targeting the Taliban. For more facts and discussion of the timing of these disclosures, and what Kerry Sanders termed the "strange" story of the photo's release, classification and then declassification, see US Passes Up Chance to Strike Taliban <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14823099/>

Though published on different dates, the two stories above both originated on Tuesday September 12. Putting the two Tuesday stories together, the truth is probably more like this:

There's a debate going on in the military about rules of engagement, with some wanting to expand the ability of the military to attack at will. As part of that debate, a photo is leaked to Kerry Sanders of MSNBC on Tuesday showing a ripe Taliban target that was passed up on religious/funeral grounds. Also on Tuesday, (the same day as the rules of engagement story) another story is leaked suggesting that Americans will be targeted with military "nonlethal" weapons first, to make sure that they're "OK" for use on enemy troops, and to avoid too many problems with the US being vilified in the foreign press.

Even though the main point may be a rules of engagement "debate," there are important implications to the fact that the AIr Force Secretary apparently believes that it can propose weapons testing on Americans without sustaining significant political damage, a sure danger sign for freedom and democracy.

WHAT WE SHOULD DO:

1. Vilify the American press until they report the fact that American citizens are now to be the guineau pigs for military grade weapons.

2. Vilify the American press until the Pentagon fears the American press more than it fears the foreign press.

3. Vilify the American press until they understand that demonstrations and "mobs" are in fact actual "demonstrations" (i.e. examples) of constitutional rights and freedom-in-action, because one only needs freedom in order to do something that the government doesn't like or to protest government actions, not to conform with them.

4. Keep in mind that this story appears related to a "rules of engagement" debate and may also be manipulated to push for more aggressive rules of engagement in the Middle East.

The reaction we're 'sposed to have is to demand the relaxation of the rules of engagement, as being WAY too namby pamby, and to meekly accept the idea of testing military weapons on protesting civilians. Is that what Americans really want?

On Edit: My title says Americans declared "ENEMY" for weapons testing purposes. Oops. It's actually worse than that. We're supposed to go FIRST, before the enemy. We ARE even lower than the enemy to Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne.

[annabanana]

1. "Error: You've already recommended that thread."

Jesus! We have to get this out there! This pos has just declared war on the American People.

[Philosoraptor]

2. what would the social impact of blasting protesters be I wonder? n/t

[Land Shark]

8. Wonkette states the social impact: "Fear Will Keep Them In Line ...."

[Occulus]

44. "...fear of this battle station..."

My God. It's actually... apt.

Jesus.

[No Exit]

121. I think this announcement was made with that purpose: to scare people

out of protesting.

Time for the people to fight back.

[Name removed]

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[Land Shark]

11. Perhaps, but Fear is the message. Are we spreading it for them?

[bananas]

15. No, we are spreading peace and love.

Peacekeeping is a good thing, don't you agree?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2129435&mesg_id=2129492

[hootinholler]

16. Depends on how high the power is...

The most vulnerable body part appears to be the cornea, which will form cataracts if heated. Lends a new meaning to 'blind justice'.

So, this all appears to be trial ballons to figure out if it's acceptable.

-Hoot

[tom_paine]

62. What was the social impact on the Hitler Administration from their policy

of blasting Jews?

Nothing, of course, and it soon escalated to something far worse.

I do not expect that the Imperial Subjects of Amerika (particularly if the current bunch of people who lived a majority of their lives in freedom grow old and die in 20-50 years) will be very much different.

If they did it tomorrow, there would be a small outcry, a few stories buried on the backpages and a slew of Bushevik Lies villifying the victims. A stroy and perhaps an editorial or two.

Then it's over and on to the next. In 20 years, not even that.

I hope I am wrong but the chance of that is slim, 20% at best, given the evdience to date.

[FiveGoodMen]

75. No impact. The press will say it didn't happen

and anyone who says it did will be written off as a wild-eyed conspiracy nut. Even here at DU.

[lisainmilo]

108. That is exactly what they fear

and exactly what needs to happen!

[converted_democrat]

3. K&R- Great post, thank you for putting it together.. n/t

[Royal Sloan 09]

4. oh my

What will they think of next, Scotty, "beam me,up" "Death Ray" WMD to be used on US citizens, and it's not the terrorists, it's the US Military testing out it's brand new "Death Ray". Gee, Think anyone would believe that lie?:shrug:

[converted_democrat]

5. To what lie are you reffering? n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

12. That didn't make any sense; what 'lie' are you talking about?

Err...and welcome to DU.

[Occulus]

45. It's a real device

As sci-fi-ish as it may seem, this thing is very real.

[rman]

63. you need to work on that a little

[FogerRox]

90. Actually if you google JSF f-35 you will see plans to mount lasers and

EMP weapons in these new fighter jets.

[liberal N proud]

6. I like the way you put it: the military prefers targeting Americans...

"the military prefers targeting Americans to targeting the Taliban"

I posted the Air Force story yesterday morning before the story about them choosing not to hit the Taliban camp. Put the two together and this should be on hell of a hit on the bu$h regime.

Thanks for posting this, we need to keep these stories front and center through the November elections.

[Land Shark]

10. Just be sure your "vote" is not used for "no holds barred" engagement rule

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard

Well then, all they need do is put them in container trucks and get on with it.


http://www.acftv.com/archive/article.asp?archive_id=1
Up to 3,000 now lie buried in a mass grave, but this was NOT a simple matter of Afghans killing Afghans.

‘AFGHAN MASSACRE – the convoy of DEATH’ tells of how American special forces took control of the operation, re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried.

And it details how the Pentagon lied to the world in order to cover up its role in the greatest atrocity of the entire Afghan War. This is the documentary they did not want you to see.

‘AFGHAN MASSACRE – the convoy of DEATH’ was produced over ten months in extremely dangerous circumstances: eyewitnesses were threatened, the film crew went into hiding and our researcher was savagely beaten to within an inch of his life.

[Name removed]

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[nicknameless]

14. Thank you for writing this.

Could their "enemy" be any clearer?
15,000 Visas for Saudi Wahabis.
Death rays for American citizens.

Nominated

[stellanoir]

17. So it's come to this.

First they took away our constitutional right to free speech and now we will be physically harmed in mysterious ways for assembly.

No one liner I've read in the last nearly 6 years has haunted me as much as this one has. . .

". . .America, those who now control our country have changed and ended law. . ."

Eve Ensler

K & R'd and thanks for posting.

[Land Shark]

18. yer welcome stellanoir, and thanks for holding your fire on typos n/t

[stellanoir]

24. LOL It's just that I gotta keep my powder dry for autorank.

:)

[Stockholm]

19. Good post Landshark

K&R!

[whistle]

20. These are not non-lethal weapons...

<snip>
From the 'pain ray' to the 'death ray': Have direct energy weapons already been deployed by U.S. forces in Iraq?

For the past few years the U.S. military has been developing new technology based on "directed energy" yielding two new types of weapons. The first, "Active Denial System," has been nicknamed the "pain ray" -- and with good reason. It fires out millimeter waves -- a sort of cousin of microwaves, in the 95 GHz range. The invisible beams penetrate just 1/64th of an inch beneath the skin, directly affecting the nerve endings, and a 2-second burst can heat the skin to 130 degrees.

Charles Heal, a widely recognized authority on nonlethal weapons who has dubbed the ray the "Holy Grail of crowd control," likened it to having a hot iron pressed against the skin. Deploying the pain ray would be a clear violation of international law, which prohibits weapons whose primary intention is to inflict pain.

Earlier this year, a U.S. military commander in Iraq requested that, despite the ban, the weapon be deployed immediately. But following the efforts of our organization and others opposing that request, Washington has indefinitely delayed any deployment pending further testing and analysis.

The second form of directed energy weaponry fires out microwaves, a form of energy well known for its use in modern kitchen appliances. I have nicknamed this weapon the "death ray" -- and with good reason. Exposing mammals to microwaves is known to make them explode. - Brett Wagner

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/07/from_the_pain_r.html

[FogerRox]

91. which explains this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSpg4zpdso8

[midnight]

21. Thanks Land shark for summing up this mess into one

coherent phrase "rules of engagement" - American citizenry first, enemy last. I heard the Air Force was in so much trouble a few years back for all their Religiosity nonsense, but yikes!!!!

[Time for change]

22. Jesus, they're getting worse all the time

Maybe this indicates they're getting ready to cancel the 06 elections.

[mod mom]

23. With elections around the corner, and Mexican protestors fresh in their

memory, they have to prepare the public for what will be done if the people should decide no more fraudulent elections. What a despicable bunch.

[cascadiance]

26. Want to lay the ground rules before Mexican Independence day this Saturday

You know there will be some "uprisings" then... I'm sure they want to quell any liklihood that we or other immigrants here want to "join in" with them.

You also couple this with the Rethugs trying to pass a bill to try to retroactively allow this administration to have their unconsitutional domestic spying be "legal" now and I wonder if there are more potential parts of this puzzle.

Perhaps if they get that passed into law so that Bushco can come out and say that we can spy on anyone we want, and HAVE ALREADY done so, which included those involved with protests, that that precedent of making spying legal against protestors will also somehow justify testing these "non-lethal" weapons against them as well. I don't have legal background on this, but I wonder if Land Shark could explore if there are any legal quirks that would allow that progression of bending of the rules. They've certainly found all ways of bending other rules. I'm sure they'll bend a few more.

It's just a matter of time before us attacking Iraq because they attacked their own people with chemical weapons under Saddam won't wash any more, if our government does the same to us soon and rationalizes that that is "OK"...

Everyone, start going to get your V for Vendetta costumes for Halloween now. We're going to also need them a few days later after the election to march on Washington I think and put the fear back into our government of its citizens!

[kpete]

25. This is an "amazing" post

"a sure danger sign for freedom and democracy"

But Land Shark Does NOT End It There - He takes another step -
He Tells Us All - What We CAN Do.

Thanks, kpete

[CoffeeCat]

27. I have a question about something....

Land Shark's amazing post contained this paragraph:
"These microwave weapons, if used by state and local officials, would lead to things like the $180,000 settlement reported September 13, 2006 in the Miami Herald for an independent journalist hit in the eye with a beanbag "nonlethal" weapon during protests at the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit in 2003. Miami Herald, September 13, 2006 Wednesday, SECTION: B; Pg. 1".

I'm wondering about something.

Recently, the pResident has demanded that Congress pass legislation regarding detainees/torture. Given that recent judicial rulings make it more difficult for BushCo to torture/ignore Geneva--Junior wants new laws. He's demanded that this legislation pass before Congress members return home to campaign.

The most highly publicized tenant of this urgent legislation--is that detainees of the United States--are stripped of any right to sue US officials if they are tortured or hurt by the United States government/military.

I've always wondered why this 'prevent-lawsuit" piece of the legislation, was priority-one for Junior.

Given the recent stories on microwave weapons--and Air Force Secretary Wynne's wish to use them on US citizens--I'm wondering if the current detainee/torture legislation--demanded by the pResident-- would render US citizens unable to sue if they are tortured/harmed or damaged by the US government or military?

Anyone?

[lonestarnot]

30. This is not new. They always either exempt themselves or write themselves

out of any liability they may have created or forsee creating in the future. I'm sure the hold harmless clause will be shining through on any legislation here.

This together with the Princeton study on the voting machines yesterday is interesting timing don't cha tink?

[Land Shark]

35. It's an excellent question, but I'm not gonna help them spread the Fear

by assuming that they will be used or available any time soon. In any event, pepper spray and beanbag guns and all that cause injuries and did so in my home area of Seattle in the December 99 WTO deal. If they start microwaving protestors they had best plan on shutting down the internet too.

[NVMojo]

28. America, the sickest nation ever ...

[Melissa G]

29. FIRE Air Force Secretary Wynne !

IMPEACH this complete SORRY MISadministration!

[glitch]

32. Everybody should be demanding this. Let them know we will not tolerate

their totalitarian nonsense. K & R

[lonestarnot]

31. Excellent job Landshark. As I mentioned to twosparkles, this is very

interesting timing coinciding with the Princeton study, and now this a.m. bushitler asks for more leway in questioning (torturing) detainees and that is breaking news? hmmmmf. Yet Americans tweedle dee and tweedledom about their merry way as though it's business as usual without any regard to freedom's excellerating encroachment. It is a sad day.

[Generic Other]

33. Are some of the casualties in Lebanon from similar weapons?

Is Israel Using Internationally Forbidden Weapons in its Aggression on Lebanon?
Significant information and witnesses by doctors in various hospitals receiving the Lebanese dead due to Israeli bombing indicate that Israel is using internationally forbidden weapons in Lebanon. The director of Nabatiyeh National Hospital in the South of Lebanon talked about "vacuum bombs, it vacuums the air out of the body and stops the breathing and thus the heart stops operating” (Suspected weapons are vacuum or thermobaric bombs. He also noted one death case whose cause of death is still unknown (medically). A spokesman for the army said on record that the Israelis are using "bombs with special fillings" that could include internationally forbidden material. The director of Marjeyoun national hospital in the south spoke about abnormal cases they treated: weird burns that make the skin glued and almost impossible to treat. These are people whose either arms or legs were hurt. Several hospitals in the south speak about similar cases: burnt\ not burnt corpses, swallowed, no bleeding, and the unbearable smell (Suspected weapon: White Phosphorus shell / incendiary agent). The director of Najm hospital says he saw similar cases in previous Israeli aggressions. Dr. Bashir Sham, member of "French Association of Cardiovascular Surgeons", explains that the way the corps look when they reach the hospital, especially those of the air strikes in Doueir and Rmayleih, is very abnormal." One might think they were burnt, but their color is dark, they're inflated, and they have a terrible smell". All this, and the hair is not burnt nor do the bodies bleed. Sham says that only chemical poisonous substances "lead to instant death without bleeding". Sham thinks that whatever "abnormal " substance causing these features might penetrate through the skin, or another explanation would be that the missiles contained toxic gas that stopped the proper functioning of the nervous system (Suspected weapon is "directed energy weapons" or electromagnetic (microwave) weapon called Death ray weapon / (see Bret Wagner report in www.thecaliforniacenter.org), and led to blood clotting. However, these doubts can't be proven, not even by an autopsy.

http://www.mouvementsocial.org/update-25.html


warning graphic:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=24936

[earth mom]

34. Holy Shit! The people are "THE ENEMY"!

I don't know why I'm so surprised. Maybe just seeing it out in the open like this.

"Let that be a Warning to us all" perhaps...? :scared:

[MUSTANG_2004]

51. That's what's truly baffling

That a general would say American citizens at a protest are a testing ground for a BATTLEFIELD weapon.

[Land Shark]

36. check out this kpete link: Scholars say Congress may be prosecutable

at least on international war crimes charges

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2133647>

There is a growing list of folks who won't be able to freely travel abroad for fear of the Pinochet-treatment.

Not to mention how world travel is being ruined for all Americans in many areas of the world (get the yuppie vote with this observed reality!) : )

[Peace Patriot]

37. Our "V" mask should be our Absentee Ballot.

Vilify the American press? What do they care what we think--any more than their masters in the Bush Junta? Both are outside of our rightful influence and regulation, due to Bushite-corporate control of election results by means of TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. The fast-track installation of these secretly coded electronic voting systems WAS the coup. That's why Bush and Cheney are behaving so arrogantly. The views of the American people really and truly don't count any more. I'm not saying, don't express yourselves. THAT we must continue to do. But don't expect it to change Bush, Cheney or corporate news monopoly behavior, or the behavior of anyone under the insidious influence of Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia. The normal processes of democracy cannot work with fascists in control of election results. Our expressions of opinion must be mainly for each other--the disenfranchised majority, whose members often succumb to the subtlest brainwashng lie of all, that we are alone and that we are in the minority. As for the fascists in power, we must focus on the mechanism of power, and meet fascist power with citizen power, and use the power of our numbers effectively and strategically to restore our right to vote. Transparent, verifiable elections are the mechanism of our sovereignty as a people. We must restore that mechanism. And--like the makers of the film "V" imagined--we must do so with unassailable collective action. And, what can that action be--with the Air Force talking of using their new "microwave" weapon--and God knows what else--upon us, in street protests? I think the Absentee Ballot protest answers superbly. It is an individual action. It is a collective action. As a collective action, if it is big enough, it will bring down this rigged electronic voting system. And if we can do that, we can do anything. It is legal. It is at the same time subversive. You vote, but at the same time you protest how the votes are "counted," and mount a lethal assault on the rigged electronic system, by refusing to touch these machines. And if no one will vote on these nefarious machines, we have the first victory of the people! More will come.

Bust the Machines--Vote by Absentee Ballot this November!

LandShark, despite this criticism of your action segment, I nevertheless feel that you've written one of the most insightful posts on insidious "news" manipulation. I've rarely been able to take it this far--to link one piece of psyops with another in this way. I applaud this effort. And I think the post and its method are extremely useful in blasting away at the "Iron Curtain" that has been placed over vital information (most notable re: election fraud), and in shattering the delusionary "news" environment that has even the best of us in thrall at times. Putting these two items together is brilliant: Americans as guinea pigs for the Air Force's new "microwave" weapon, and the ridiculing (or desired ridiculing) of "rules of engagement." I think I would add a third item to this analysis: over the last two days, first Bush, then Cheney, confidently predicted that they will retain control of Congress. Psyops: (unconscious) The real terrorists (not the Taliban--the Bushites) operate freely; we can do nothing to stop them because we are much too civil. (higher level) They are going to steal another election, and if we protest, they are going to zap us with diabolical new weapons. (highest--most conscious--level) Give up, give in, despair, you are powerless, you are alone, you are in the minority.

But the zapper weapon, I think, is electronic voting. It not only steals your votes, it rots your mind. It creates the illusion of democracy, which replaces real democracy every time you touch its touchscreens and opt for its optiscans. And, who knows, these evil machines may even have lethal emissions that actually harm your brain as you "vote." You go home, and turn on the "news" and find that the election "results" are the opposite of what you and everyone else expected, and you somehow end up thinking that OTHER Americans must be nuts and are more worried about "gay marriage" than 100,000 innocents slaughtered in Iraq, thousands tortured, thousands of US soldiers killed in a corporate oil war, a $10 TRILLION deficit, multiple tax cuts for the super-rich, and the pResident ripping up the Constitution. Electronic voting, with secret code owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, lurks behind all this as the lethal enforcer of these delusions.

In general, I think that the goal of this fascist cabal is not to convince anyone of anything, but rather to write scripts that confuse and disempower people, especially the pre-written narrative for post-election "explanations" of why the fascists "won" again, which we have seen laid out over the last two months (as it was in 2004). The Rovian method is to litter the newsstream with certain disgusting newsturds as we go along, and then use them afterwards, to "explain" their mystifying and unexpected "victories." And it's all been laid out now: hatred of gays, hatred of brown immigrants, love of Arabs' bodies exploding under our bombs (Zarqawi, Lebanon), and Republican "brilliance" at "get out the vote" campaigns. The last newsturd just got laid down yesterday, where the myth of Bushite GOTV was sailed into the newsstream via the Rhode Island primary. I kept puzzling over that story. But, of course, it is the replica of the mythical success of the Bushite GOTV in 2004. (When asked afterwards about their "win," either Cheney or Rove attributed it to their "invisible" get out the vote campaign "in the churches." There is zero evidence for any significant success of that campaign, if it existed AT ALL. The Democratic grass roots movement blew the Bushites away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. But it isn't meant to be believed, or fact-checked. It is meant to numb peoples' minds with a PLAUSIBLE-sounding "explanation," and to give the bobble-headed lapdogs something to say.)

With the entire war profiteering corporate news monopoly establishment (all 5 billionaire CEOs) in such blatant collusion with this fascist regime, we MUST start developing some smarts in interpreting their disinformation, and, above all, in sussing out the weak points of this junta. I think that Absentee Ballot voting (still available in most states), the fact that HAVA did NOT require electronic voting (but merely BOUGHT IT, with that nearly $4 billion boondoggle, and lavish lobbying), and the fact that decisions about election systems are still made at the local/state level, where ordinary people still have some influence, add up to their biggest Achilles Heel.

But the window of opportunity to attack via this Achilles Heel may be quite narrow. If the Bushites grab more federal control over the election system, and the Democratic Party leadership maintains its MIND-BOGGLING SILENCE about it, we may lose the power to convert back to paper ballot voting (transparent, verifiable elections). We need to exercise this power NOW, through massive Absentee Ballot voting, that FORCES reform at the state/local level.

When black Americans decided to actively resist segregation, one of their methods was BOYCOTTING the segregated buses in Montgomery, Alabama. Another was passive resistance SIT-INS at segregated lunch counters. These were brilliant and extremely effective methods of change. And the Absentee Ballot protest has these characteristics. Hit 'em in their money--all these billions that are pouring into the pockets of Bushite electronic voting corporations. Show up the election officials who have purchased this crapass, hackable voting technology for the corrupt fools they are. Nobody will vote on their shiny new election theft machines. Passive resistance. Don't harm the machines. Just DON'T vote on them. DON'T use them. Let them sit idle! FLOOD election officials with MOUNTAINS of Absentee Ballots to deal with--a massive citizen "vote of no confidence" in this rigged system. Vote (i.e., sit passively in the segregated diner, quietly demanding your rights), but DON'T COOPERATE with your oppression. Vote, but DON'T vote on the machines.

They may do all kinds of bad things to Absentee Ballot votes (AB votes are not "safe" either), but, if enough people vote by AB, that nonsense will have to stop. It cannot withstand scrutiny. If all or most are voting by AB--if everyone who loathes the Bush Junta (60% to 70% of the people!) votes by Absentee Ballot, election reformers will have the clout to stop that and ALL the corruption in our election system.

The Absentee Ballot vote is our "V" mask. Use it this November! Spread the word!

[Peace Patriot]

49. OP and discussion about the Rovian B.S. out of Rhode Island...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2509751

Taliban (Bushites in robes) get away. We have another Bushit (s)election. People get pissed. People get microwaved. And they "attribute" their miraculous "victory" to, a) anti-gay rights; b) anti-brown immigrants; c) love of innocent Muslim heads exploding under our bombs (Zarqawi, Beirut); d) terra-terra-terra; and e) the Bushites superior "get out the vote" machine (in 2004, despite boffo evidence to the contrary; in R.I. cooked somehow)--and get away with it.

[Jcrowley]

81. Excellent, excellent post

This should be read by all. At least twice.

[LSK]

95. DO NOT VOTE ABSENTEE!!!!!!!!!!

Those votes are more likely to be discarded. All the election fraud experts tell people NOT to vote absentee. Show up at the polls.

[GuvWurld]

38. We have met the enemy, and he is us

The U.S. government has long since made itself the enemy of the American public. They are just now being more direct in declaring it to be so.

I rarely call my Senators or Congressman but when I first saw the AP story yesterday morning, I called all three and said the same thing.

"I'd like to report a terrorist threat."

I said that a man named Michael Wynne has been reported in an AP story to be threatening to use a microwave weapon against U.S. civilians. He just happens to be Secretary of the Air Force so perhaps Congress can see fit to exercise some influence.

While I can't say I was surprised at the lack of responsiveness, as if this were just another constituent call to add to the log, I couldn't help but wonder if the reaction would have been any different if I was calling to describe a conversation I heard on a bus or train or plane between two people of off-white complexion.

Peaceful revolution is necessary, NOW! (.pdf)

[Land Shark]

40. I recommend everyone read GuvWurld's post just above this one

When Fear is the Message, Terror is the Result.

[FoxOnTheRun]

77. you mean them?

TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM

-HEAD-
Sec. 1520a. Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of
chemical or biological agents

-STATUTE-
(a) Prohibited activities
The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by
contract) -
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical
agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent
on human subjects.
(b) Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the
prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a
test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:
(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical,
therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or
research activity.

(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against
toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.

(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related
to riot control.

...


http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t49t50+1792+21++%28restriction%20of%20human%20testing%29%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20

[FogerRox]

96. Foxontherun... bingo.. riot control

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

39. K & R. Great post.

[truedelphi]

41. I'll repeat what I posted elsewhere - Malloy was discussing

This issue quite a while ago - long before the recent proclamation by Wynne.

Eaither Malloy or a caller pointed out that the laws of physics indicate
that if you have metal fillings, or metal pins in your body and you are
a protester bombarded by this ray - Hell's Bells, you might find that
that area of your body hearts up to intolerable levels causing irreversible
damage or even that the metal fillings might pop out of their cavities
(same with metal pins!)

Also, the demonstation that I attended against the Iraq war in the early
1990's (George HW's war)in had such huge numbers of attendance that I
remember going up to the parade marshalls and asking them not to rush
the crowds, but to slow them down.

The media in this country has always portrayed crowd stampedes and the
resulting injuries and deaths to greed - a rock crowd that greedily
wants to get into the ampitheatre or what not.

Crowd stampedes have nothing to do with that element of greed - they
are a matter of crowd density. When the crowd is too dense, and they
are all moving towards one goal, the people on the far outside don't
know that their moving forward is squishing to death the people in the
center.

More people hate Bush than even and we can anticipate even larger
more densely packed dcrowds.

The stampede factor could easily come into play if say 750,000 people
on San Francisco streets all try to scatter away at one time - in
order to get away from the microwave beams

And then our beloved media can say, "Look! See! What animals these
protesters are! They stampeded their own!"

[Land Shark]

42. I think what you say about metal is likely true, (coffeecups in microwaves

have sparked if they have a metal rim band or what have you in metal) but at the same time I think the paradox is that spreading this kind of truthful information will significantly if not dramatically reduce participation in upcoming demonstrations. Let's start with mothers concerned about teenagers or children of any age and "prohibiting" them from attending the demo on the fear of the above scenarios.

I say, spread the word but specifically downplay the fear. The fear is how they try to make this into a win/win situation because even if they lose in the court of public opinion they win control via fear.

It's not unlike cheating in an election or distorting a poll result, the "numbers" of demonstrators are an important index of political support or dissent, and this may help them distort those numbers. (It's bad enough that DC park police can't or won't count....)

[truedelphi]

52. LandShark You and other DU'ers are gonna love this response

But I have heard that you can cut down on the microwave
permeability of your body by wrapping yourself up in

YES YOU GUESED IT! TINFOIL!!

The microwae EMF sensitive people that I know (I am chemically sensitive
so I have met more than myshare of these folks) often wear their dad's
WWII aluminum lined battle helmets and
also wrap an entire wall in their home or apartment with aluminum foil to
prevent the rays from affecting them

It does not totally eliminate the effects but cutsd them down dramatically

[ninkasi]

57. I have a metal plate in my neck

and four screws. I have a nerve stimulator implanted in my hip, with leads going up to my neck and shoulder. My glasses have a metal frame. I'm sure I would provide loads of comic relief to the sadists when I get zapped by one of those things, heaven knows what would happen to me.

But of course, much, much better to practice on me, a 63 year old woman who still believes she has the same rights set forth in the Constitution as opposed to a foreign enemies rights. After all, as Dubya will doubtless intone at least a dozen times today, "9-11 changed everything". Apparently, it changed the ability of the citizens of this country to enjoy the democracy the mental midget is imposing on the rest of the world at gunpoint.

[redqueen]

43. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS... LET 'EM HEAR IT!

Call congress toll-free at 888-355-3588.

Don't know your reps? Find them here.


LTTE's, call-in shows, you know the drill.



SO much work to do. So much...

[KansDem]

46. Here's something for the WTF? file...

The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

Do you hear what you're saying, Mr. Secretary? Do you actually listen to yourself? :wtf:

[aquart]

48. Bet George sent him a gift basket for his brilliant idea.

Or perhaps flowers? He's doing a heckuva job.

[Land Shark]

50. Yeah, he's doing a heckuva job, he's a BROWNIE

Meaning:

1. A brown shirt (not talking UPS here)
2. A brown noser
3. A turd who finds Americans exercising constitutional rights to be the lowest form of life.

All of the above.

[Joe for Clark]

47. kick

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. That's scary....

Does the government want more dead students on their hands, a la Kent State?

[tom_paine]

64. I t hink they want a helluva lot more than that

We are all going to find out just how much they want in the upcoming decades.

Just wait until things get bad, economically and otherwise. This country is practically at Soviet already and it's just a short hop from there to Nazi level of murderous barbarous brutality. It is masked by our relative economic good health (yes, I know the economy is pretty poor for the bottom 40% and climbing, but I am talking relative to other Third-World countries).

And god forbid we have another "terrorist" attack, infinitely worse if it is an NBC attack. Not only for the horror and death but for what the Busheviks will do to the rest of us, which will be much worse.

The farther into the future this nearly-ienvitable event is, the worse it will be. Two generations from now, the Imperial Subjects of Amerika will have no memory of freedom at all, except a few 100+ year olds.

Bad enough what the people surrounding us will do right now under the wrong circumstances. What will happen THEN?

[redqueen]

65. Dude...

Is that supposed to help motivate us?

:scared:
:P

Just kidding... sort of... I'm sure not giving up!

[Land Shark]

69. Agreed. Best strategy against a SUPERMAJORITY is to scare them

back into isolation, feeling like a minority... All that may be needed for that with some is just a sharing of fear-based emotions, which then spreads like a virus....

[redqueen]

74. Yup... it's worked for a while now...

and they're really beating the drums loudly now, with all the "dems care more about terrorists" malarkey... I have to think they're hoping so-called "moderate" dems will call their reps and tell them to just follow the criminal in charge, and allow them to rewrite the laws as they see fit.

Hah!

[tom_paine]

127. I like to make sure everyone knows what the stakes are

And what I am postulating, if it isn't the single most likely scenario in the long run ("if these trends remain unaltered by the future," to paraphrase The Ghost of Christmas Present, "I see a slave labor camp, full of Muslims and Liberals."}, is one of the highest probability of all possibilties.

[truedelphi]

122. Not sure if the weather will give us two more generations

Of time on the planet

Please I am not a nihilist - MY first grandchild was born recently.
I love LIFE! But the fact is once the weather is so weird that ocean currents begin to stagnate (as we are already seeing) the end is probably fifteen years away? Sooner?

Once the North Pole And SOuth Pole have melted clear away, there will total stagnation of ocean currents and then it's over.

[silverweb]

54. Thanks, LandShark.

Your analysis and supplemental information are very helpful. Sad to say, I can't even feel shocked. Outraged, yes; but nothing these bastards do shocks me anymore.

[marmar]

55. Fascism is on the march...

The shit's getting positvely frightening right now. People are going to have to get out into the streets and start engaging in some serious civil disobedience, sooner rather than later. Our French and Mexican brothers and sisters have shown us how.

[InkAddict]

56. Kent State n/t

[Nikki Stone 1]

58. Excellent post. These weapons make Kent State look like Disneyland

And yes, we have no functioning press.

[newspeak]

59. hey, I'm sensing a fashion trend here

a new fashion, aluminum threads interwoven with other thread making shirts and pants. And, how about some cool shades made with aluminum-can you mix aluminum with glass? We can actually have real tin foil hats, for the stylish set!!!!! Yeah, that's the ticket!!! See your suit sparkle, as it's hit with a microwave--it'll be all the new rage!!!!

[Joe Chi Minh]

60. Well, maybe he's exposed himself to a criminal trial in due

course. Senior military and politicians surely have no more right to foment violence against the citizenry than someone leading a mob throwing molotov cocktails. In fact, by them, it's so much more reprehensible.

Indeed, it's so scandalous as to beggar belief. Until you remember that they used innocent soldiers and other citizens as guinea pigs for radiation trials, etc.

[mhatrw]

61. The whole "We Respect Taliban Funerals" story is pure Faux News

propaganda.

A bunch of army folks shaking their heads and saying, "Doesn't it suck that we told ourselves not do this?"

The rules were written by the DOD, so what the "story" comes down to is that some army folks are upset with Rumsfeld's rules of engagement.

[Kurovski]

66. K&R.(nt)

[AntiFascist]

67. Do we have any support inside the armed forces?

maybe some of these weapons should be tested on certain enemies of democracy (just thinking out loud).

[Land Shark]

70. If it's ok to test on Americans, they should test on themselves, for the

good of the country. If not, where's the patriotism? Why enlist unwilling volunteers in tests when they have other "nonlethal" crowd "control" devices to use anyway?

[EVDebs]

112. Does the military intend on creating a US version of Tienanmen Square ?

I would think that there would be soldiers who would NOT follow an order to fire on unarmed civilians. But I could be wrong. Is there any mention of this in Stars And Stripes ?

[MessiahRp]

68. These people are just plain sick...

:shakes head:

Rp

[DemInDistress]

71. I recently read Land Shark that the israelis might have been

using this new weapon on Palestinians. More than 2 dozen dead people autopsied or examined showed no shrapnel
wounds yet their insides were scorched. Now the BFEE wants to burn us for protesting the thief and murderer in our Whitehouse.


Thanks for the story LS.. K&R

[Generic Other]

72. I got a thread locked for mentioning I/P in GD

but these creepy weapons have been used in other places as well.

They zapped protestors in the UK with similar weapons:
http://www.geocities.com/adrian9999999999/greenham.htm

Why would Americans stand for our own military using this sort of weapon against us? What's the matter with us?

[BeHereNow]

76. Imagine that...

Oh the irony of US taxpayers funding the corporations that
intend to use the weapons, paid for by Americans, against them?
BHN

[Generic Other]

83. It's diabolical

We will pay over and over I fear.

Having watched several videos where police used tasers, pepper spray or rubber bullets on civilians I do not relish the knowledge that they might have these kind of weapons at their disposal.

[L0oniX]

73. Americans are just dumb stupid ignorant ass carrots that don't care

until it affects them. It's too late to legally do anything about these ass hats. We need to revolt on a mass scale. A 10 million person march on Washington is called for. We need to physically grab these bozos and hand cuff them and send to the World Court for war crimes, and don't forget to include Kissinger. I wonder how many people would be shot dead before the police and soldiers would stop obeying orders? This is why I DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS! They will shoot and kill us ...get it?

I hate Bush more than anything I have ever hated in my life. He has ruined this country! Damed ass carrot!

[AspenRose]

78. Well, I guess that's one way to keep those unruly folks in the

"Free Speech Zone" quiet.

And I'm sure it'll work for all those marching immigrants wanting their equal rights, too. :scared:

[Land Shark]

79. Ann Richards, May she R.I.P., would not be quakin' in her boots nt

[AspenRose]

88. My son is a year and a half.

I am a woman of color.

I AM frightened.

[FogerRox]

97. I am scared too, we all are, but I am in control, not the FEAR

[kestrel91316]

80. The day the Bush Admin uses these sorts of weapons

against Americans exercising their First Amendment rights is the day I give serious thought to advocating the violent overthrow of those criminals.

We all have our limits, and I may just have discovered mine.

Agent Mike: please note the hypothetical context

[Jcrowley]

82. Mr. Wynne

Prior to joining the Bush Administration, Mr. Wynne was involved in venture capital. He nurtured small technology companies through their startup phase as a member of the NextGenFund Executive Committee, and served in executive positions of two of those companies. In July 2001, Mr. Wynne was confirmed as Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, and in May 2003 he was appointed as acting Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics. In this role, Mr. Wynne was the Principal Staff Assistant and adviser to the Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense for all matters relating to the Department of Defense Acquisition System, research and development, advanced technology, developmental test and evaluation, production, logistics, installation management, military construction, procurement, environmental security, and nuclear, chemical and biological matters. Mr. Wynne has published numerous professional journal articles relating to engineering, cost estimating and contracting.

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7919

Silence, they say, is the voice of complicity.
But silence is impossible.
Silence screams.
Silence is a message,
just as doing nothing is an act.
Let who you are ring out & resonate
in every word & every deed.
Yes, become who you are.
There's no sidestepping your own being
or your own responsibility.
What you do is who you are.
You are your own comeuppance.
You become your own message.
You are the message.

In the Spirit of Crazy Horse

They've always had the technical ability to kill us. And, our defense has always been largely political. There is a defense, of sorts, in the size and breadth of the "crowd", in its wider connection to the people, and in its political conviction.

In many ways, this is just the continuation of their fantasy. They dream of having the ability to disperse the crowd, but in a way in which they pay no political price for doing so.

For us, the problem is always in understanding what they "can do" (technically and politically), conquering our fear, and being realistic about the price that we ourselves will always end up paying.

On Edit: Oh and quite naturally K&R.

[Canuckistanian]

84. My God, Land Shark. When you put it like that.....

Posse Comitatus is like a vague memory of years ago, when the Earth's crust was still cooling.

But this is all academic until SOMEONE, whether foreign or domestic, decides to report on it.

Can we peddle it to another country - the BBC, CBC, ABC, ScoopNZ?

[populistdriven]

85. Wear heavy canvas clothes spraypainted in this

http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/utilities_telecom/electrical_contractors/node_GSGXVSC57Rgs/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSBCDFDZ1Zge/bgel_GSRYBL3GPVbl/gvel_Q2V48VRQDBgl/command_AbcPageHandler/theme_us_electricalcontractors_3_0
the product is flammable until it dries

you will also need some sort of conductive wire mesh covering your head, any small aperture aluminum window screening will do

be prepared for the coming crisis

[bonito]

86. I started a thread on this stuff and it got locked

And sent to sept 11th, http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Microwaving_Iraq.htm

[Land Shark]

87. Well, now you're unlocked. You were saying?? _______ _

[bonito]

89. I'm still shocked

I'll definitely do more research on this.

[CarlVK]

92. That's the raw definition of "treason".

Anybody still queasy on impeachment?

[FogerRox]

93. BEtween the EMP weapon used on Wellstone and this more recent

example
Bunny explodes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOZQevLeBs

[LSK]

94. I just sent this to my local newspaper asking them to cover it

[Danger Mouse]

98. Scary. Yet another piece of the puzzle...

And so many people wouldn't even care. No matter what happened. No matter what Bush did, no matter what horrors he inflicts on those who dare to practice their right to dissent. No matter how he treats suspected terrorists, no matter what happens.
They simply would not care. Not as long as American Idol or Survivor is on the TV. Not as long as Fox News tells them that they are safe, that Presdient Bush is on the lookout for the big boogeyman Bin Laden.
They are the Proles of '1984'...completely ignorant of the horrors of their own government, completely passive and uncaring. So stupid and disaffected that they haven't even the notion to be afraid of the tyrants, they go about their lives in a vacuum devoid of any truth or rationality. Everything they believe is spoonfed to them by the media.
Now the government is deploying new weapons, arms and laws, to combat not just terrorists, but its own citizens.
I never could've imagined a day like this day, a moment like this moment. A day, a moment, where I would be so thoroughly disgusted with my country, my government, with all of this.
And scared. I must admit fear. Fear for myself, and for those I love, who also dare to speak out. When I become the enemy and the target, will they be the target as well?
We must not give up hope for the Democrats to win in November. We must not give in. We must not go quietly into the night. If we resign ourselves now to defeat, whether by legitimate means or by thievery, we are hurting ourselves. Far more is at stake than a few seats and a few bills. Our freedom, our lives, our liberty are at stake. As Americans, born in the land of a sacred promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, we cannot remain silent. We must stand strong and tall against the evil, yes evil, respresented in George W. Bush, and his gang of thugs, thieves, and cutthroats. God bless America, our home, may our love of our country triumph over their contempt for it.

[young_at_heart]

99. Bravo! Very cogent and truthful......sad to say

When the majority of Americans cannot say who Karl Rove is or even name our VP it's pretty obvious that our country is in need of some sort of awakening.

[Danger Mouse]

100. So sad...

Most Americans couldn't find Iraq on a map if asked. Not too long ago, my local radio station quizzed some interns at the station (they were college students, mind you)...when asked basic questions about current events, they were flumoxed. What continent is Iraq on? They were clueless. Who's Porter Goss? No idea. What's the name of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' baby? SURI CRUISE!!! WE KNOW THAT ONE FER SHURE!!
Those two airheaded morons summed up what is wrong with America in a matter of moments: absolutely no understanding of the world around them, but plenty of understanding of pop culture.
I bet Bush and Rove just LOVE people like that, so easy to manipulate.
Thanks for the compliment, btw =)

[lisainmilo]

101. I am adding it to my website!

I am telling you, Hitler is in charge of America!
This is unbelieveable!

We need to demand impeachment and keep demanding it!!!
Visit my website for further details. link below.

[Danger Mouse]

106. Yeah...

Reichstag fire = 9/11

[tom_paine]

128. Yep. Hitler was the first. So he got his 9-11 after only two months

The Bushies, having the more difficult task in trying to accomplish many of Hitler's aims using methods that look different enough that they will fly under the radar, or through it invisibly.

Thus, Bush's 9-11 had to wait just a wee tad longer. Eight months.

Both PNAC and Mein Kampf spell it all out prior to the tyrants achieving power.

Coincidentally, Hitler got his Reichstag, his "galvanizing event" and the Bushies got their "New Pearl Harbor" so very shortly after each took power.

What a coincidence.

[Land Shark]

102. Thursday's Chicago Sun Times brief comment says (after brief facts):

"We should, by all means, test our weapons here so we don't have to test them there before using them there so we don't have to use them here."

"Eat a burger, help Marines keep their heads" Chicago Sun Times September 14, 2006 Thursday

[midnight]

103. To quote my dear father. Does this man have shit

for brains? My god, what is this mans problem?

[Land Shark]

104. The TN Commercial Appeal has nothing to add, it says brief facts, then

"Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne, said, "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation.""

Briefly The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN) September 13, 2006 Wednesday

[Land Shark]

105. Hard to say where the Myrtle Beach Sun-Times gets "weaken people" from

"Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne. Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people."

Capitol Hill The Myrtle Beach Sun-News (South Carolina) September 13, 2006 Wednesday

"weaken people" is not in the original AP release as far as I can recall.

[Land Shark]

107. It's a sad day when the Chinese arguably have better news coverage

on this topic. This partial quote from the Xinhua General News Agency on 9/13/06:

"Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used domestically first before they are used overseas, U.S. Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne said on Tuesday.

Wynne was quoted by U.S. media as saying that he believed that in comparison, domestic use would bring less severe political consequences and would stir few controversies worldwide.

He recommended that the U.S. government may use such weapons first in domestic situations such as riot-control.

{...}"

[midnight]

109. If Wynne is afraid of controversies, we best make him know that

using us as targets to work out his issues with the world is going to far with us......

[bleever]

110. Lower than the enemy. Who has no enforceable rights.

One of the best posts ever.

[Phrogman]

111. A technical minded person with balls could knock out a Raytheon machine

You'd have to do a venerability study of the device, get a component diagram of the antenna and trailer its mounted on.

Find out where the big magnetron, central capacitor, or the critical control electronics are located inside of the van.

A single round of AP fired from a suppressed long rifle would render the microwave inoperative. And nobody would get hurt. It could be fired from a long distance away. The "crack" would still be heard at the target area, but most likely it would be disregarded.

Even better yet, find out where they would be stored (parked) and knock em' all out there the day before a protest or political action.

[Cobalt-60]

119. Pre emptive strikes would be best

But absent those, what next?
If they power the beam from the grid, the grid needs to go down. Now.
Study your local power distribution systems, particularly in public areas such as the ones in which protests are likely. There is no doubt some point where a judiciously applied explosive or incendiary would shut it down.
If they bring their own power, there are two targets.
The microwave generator will undoubtedly be mounted in an heavy vehicle. If someone were to plant well tamped charges under the street on which the vile thing squats, it could be swallowed an instant sink hole.
Persons with the capacity to execute this mission need to get about the business of determining just how much stuff is needed to do the job.
It seems that a hurricane of chaff - tin foil strips - dropped on the microwave projector might just disrupt its operation.
This chaff could be rained down from windows or balloons. It could be projected on high angle trajectories by everything from a regular mortar to a wooden trebuchet.
Personally Id be up for drumhead trials of its commander and operators, if they survive.
Whatever happens, if they trot out this stuff the war is on.

[Phrogman]

120. Amen to that, if they turn this weapon on peaceful protesters...

than its time to rumble!

[Keepontruking]

113. Americans declared enemy

lexus nexus...........or lex Lex Luther...come on ...fear
begets fear...you can only die once and oh yeah bong stood out
real real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Circus girl!!!!!!!!!!  OLE
HIPPIE

[understandinglife]

114. Recommended.

:hi: from Carmel-by-the-sea ....

get'n intense, i'd say ....


Peace.

[Land Shark]

115. But looks like they're dropping Homeland Security charges against G Palast

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2139808>

[Subdivisions]

116. Who wants to take bets that this new "non-lethal" weapon will make

its debut here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2137759&mesg_id=2137759

[Wilms]

117. Saw this coming, sorry to say. n/t

[entanglement]

118. Great idea

:sarcasm:

[Land Shark]

123. yeah, some real thinking going on, there.

and the news today talks about Colin Powell saying the "moral basis" for the war on terror is being undermined by, among other things, torture. Good point.

[sofa king]

124. Holy cow! Look at this!

I took this picture about an hour ago across from 1919 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, just across the street from the favorite protest spots of the IMF and the World Bank:



In tiny letters it said "NBC Universal" on the side, which would make sense, if I hadn't seen the picture of the Microwave Hummvee posted here earlier:



They share the same octagonal fold-down dish.

Anyone in the broadcast business ever seen one of these things before?

[michael_1166]

125. You Americans would have a lot less problems if you'd stop

signing up for military service.

Who's driving that microwave weapon? It's a soldier. It's not Bush, it's someone who has been so stupid to sign up as a soldier under the Bush regime. The enemy is not Bush, it's people like you who sign up to voluntarily wear the deadly clown's costume of a soldier. When there's no driver, there's no microwave weapon directed at you. Rendering an army unusable by mass desertions is the only honorable thing soldiers can do. No one wants to invade you anyway, that's just what Fox news likes to tell you.

[savemefromdumbya]

126. Read the military brochure on microwave weapons

quite a thorough document?

I guess our government may not be protected from terrorist use of these weapons?

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/csat11.pdf

[file83]

129. Excellent reporting Land Shark !!! This topic is so important because

it is a signal that our press is effectively in a coma and our constitution is all but shredded. This incrementalism is an effective method against our liberty.

[In Truth We Trust]

130. Unbelievanle! Thanks for the info Landshark. Paper ballots hand count now!